aoe dots should not be able to stack. that was never a thing in the past, and its obvious for a reason why. playing against a realm with 2 aoe dots that stack (and one of which is now a snare dot), is cancer. it shouldn't be allowed that you die from 2 spells. Nerf it. Absolutely rediculous and anti-fun.
double stacking aoe dots
Started 1 May 2020
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Bry
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Fri 1 May 2020 5:28 PM
by
Riac
Bry wrote: ↑Fri 1 May 2020 5:27 PMaoe dots should not be able to stack. that was never a thing in the past, and its obvious for a reason why. playing against a realm with 2 aoe dots that stack (and one of which is now a snare dot), is cancer. it shouldn't be allowed that you die from 2 spells. Nerf it. Absolutely rediculous and anti-fun.
i thought dots that were different dmg types always stacked. could be wrong though.
Fri 1 May 2020 7:30 PM
by
Azuell
What dot snares? I've never heard of that, sounds made up.
Fri 1 May 2020 8:54 PM
by
Hodge
DOT stack when they are different frequencies as well as damage type. An example is the mentalist DOTs stack and they use same damage type energy. However, the Holism AOE DOT does not stack with the Holism single target DOT.
Fri 1 May 2020 9:01 PM
by
Hodge
I believe Shaman DOT and AOE DOT stack too. And they are different damage types (body and matter) with the same frequency. So it looks like as long as the damage or frequency are different they will stack.
And there is probably a check to see which version is stronger. So if a DOT is on a target with frequency 4.0, and someone else cast a DOT with same frequency but lesser tick value, then the new spell will not work since it has a stronger version of that spell on the target. Yes? Likewise with damage type.
And there is probably a check to see which version is stronger. So if a DOT is on a target with frequency 4.0, and someone else cast a DOT with same frequency but lesser tick value, then the new spell will not work since it has a stronger version of that spell on the target. Yes? Likewise with damage type.
Fri 1 May 2020 11:09 PM
by
Toss
Yeah here we go..
Albs (Both dots stack)
Wizard AOE - 87dmg
Cabalist AOE - 83dmg
Necromancer PBAoe - 79dmg
Mids (Both dots stack)
Shaman AOE - 83dmg
Bonedancer AOE - 61dmg
Hibs
Mentalist AOE - 83dmg
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Now some interesting things to consider...
Lets see how many plays each class?
Wizard (earth) Most wizards who know how to play goes this spec. Fire and Ice is gimp in comparison for RVR. This is by the way the same spec that does all that horrible GTAOE that everyone suffers from since forever in siegefights
Cabalist usually go Trispec or Matter spec so right here i would say every zerg has at least 1-3 Matter cabbys
Necromancer Pbaoe. Not really the same thing, but with shading doors and what not its very easy to get off massive aoe dots in keep fights for a Necro
Shaman. Pretty much no shaman that is serious run Cave spec. Every zerg has probably 0-2 cave shammys
Bonedancer. Since the BD Aoe dot is kinda crap dmg compared to others most BD's dont go this line so just as rare as a CaveShaman imo 0-2 there too
Mentalist. The one and only AOE dotter on Hibernia. Most mentalists start out as Mana in RVR as Light is kinda gimped low RR in comparison. But RR5+ Almost noone plays Mana spec anymore as Light start to shine. So i would say 1-3 Menta dotters in each zerg..
Conclusion. Mids have shittiest AOE, Hibs 2nd and Albs quite superior with double stackable dots.... STACKABLE. And Wizards dot being the strongest in the game
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I died many times when i have 70% Hp and get Double dotted and noone to help me... Thats just stupid. But HEY! Animist shrooms need a nerf, And Bards too!
I cant for the sake of my life understand why Albs gets so much love.
For the sake of things all 3 realms have 3 dots that stack... Its just that Hibs are the only realm that doesnt have 2x AOE Dots. And the Accessability for Mids and lower dmg makes them kinda out of that game too wich means Albs are Twice as strong in the AOE dot meta wich is quite strong in Zerg fights (wich is 50% of this server)
Albs (Both dots stack)
Wizard AOE - 87dmg
Cabalist AOE - 83dmg
Necromancer PBAoe - 79dmg
Mids (Both dots stack)
Shaman AOE - 83dmg
Bonedancer AOE - 61dmg
Hibs
Mentalist AOE - 83dmg
-------------------------------------------
Now some interesting things to consider...
Lets see how many plays each class?
Wizard (earth) Most wizards who know how to play goes this spec. Fire and Ice is gimp in comparison for RVR. This is by the way the same spec that does all that horrible GTAOE that everyone suffers from since forever in siegefights
Cabalist usually go Trispec or Matter spec so right here i would say every zerg has at least 1-3 Matter cabbys
Necromancer Pbaoe. Not really the same thing, but with shading doors and what not its very easy to get off massive aoe dots in keep fights for a Necro
Shaman. Pretty much no shaman that is serious run Cave spec. Every zerg has probably 0-2 cave shammys
Bonedancer. Since the BD Aoe dot is kinda crap dmg compared to others most BD's dont go this line so just as rare as a CaveShaman imo 0-2 there too
Mentalist. The one and only AOE dotter on Hibernia. Most mentalists start out as Mana in RVR as Light is kinda gimped low RR in comparison. But RR5+ Almost noone plays Mana spec anymore as Light start to shine. So i would say 1-3 Menta dotters in each zerg..
Conclusion. Mids have shittiest AOE, Hibs 2nd and Albs quite superior with double stackable dots.... STACKABLE. And Wizards dot being the strongest in the game
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I died many times when i have 70% Hp and get Double dotted and noone to help me... Thats just stupid. But HEY! Animist shrooms need a nerf, And Bards too!
I cant for the sake of my life understand why Albs gets so much love.
For the sake of things all 3 realms have 3 dots that stack... Its just that Hibs are the only realm that doesnt have 2x AOE Dots. And the Accessability for Mids and lower dmg makes them kinda out of that game too wich means Albs are Twice as strong in the AOE dot meta wich is quite strong in Zerg fights (wich is 50% of this server)
Sat 2 May 2020 6:50 AM
by
Jeterix
A hib complaining that zerg v zerg fights are unbalanced. lol.
But actually I agree earth wizards never had an aoe DoT in classic DAoC
But actually I agree earth wizards never had an aoe DoT in classic DAoC
Sat 2 May 2020 1:16 PM
by
Toss
Jeterix wrote: ↑Sat 2 May 2020 6:50 AMA hib complaining that zerg v zerg fights are unbalanced. lol.
But actually I agree earth wizards never had an aoe DoT in classic DAoC
Whats your point? Hibs arent overly strong in Zerg vs Zerg... Albs are just as strong. Mids being slightly weaker, but not much
Sat 2 May 2020 2:00 PM
by
Jeterix
Well mentalists are by no means an underpopulated class. So there is definitely still plenty of aoe dot going on from the hib side.
Hib casters get baseline stun.
Hibs have more people playing pbae classes than any other realm.
Hibs have animist shrooms.
Ya if I don't have a healer in my group I am going to die to DoTs too.
Hib casters get baseline stun.
Hibs have more people playing pbae classes than any other realm.
Hibs have animist shrooms.
Ya if I don't have a healer in my group I am going to die to DoTs too.
Sun 3 May 2020 12:45 PM
by
Nunki
You forgot that Earth Wizards can -50% debuff Matter. Which means that even with only 1 ae-dot + debuff any caster without a healer in sight is dead.Toss wrote: ↑Fri 1 May 2020 11:09 PMYeah here we go..
Albs (Both dots stack)
Wizard AOE - 87dmg
Cabalist AOE - 83dmg
Necromancer PBAoe - 79dmg
Mids (Both dots stack)
Shaman AOE - 83dmg
Bonedancer AOE - 61dmg
Hibs
Mentalist AOE - 83dmg
-------------------------------------------
Now some interesting things to consider...
Lets see how many plays each class?
Wizard (earth) Most wizards who know how to play goes this spec. Fire and Ice is gimp in comparison for RVR. This is by the way the same spec that does all that horrible GTAOE that everyone suffers from since forever in siegefights
Cabalist usually go Trispec or Matter spec so right here i would say every zerg has at least 1-3 Matter cabbys
Necromancer Pbaoe. Not really the same thing, but with shading doors and what not its very easy to get off massive aoe dots in keep fights for a Necro
Shaman. Pretty much no shaman that is serious run Cave spec. Every zerg has probably 0-2 cave shammys
Bonedancer. Since the BD Aoe dot is kinda crap dmg compared to others most BD's dont go this line so just as rare as a CaveShaman imo 0-2 there too
Mentalist. The one and only AOE dotter on Hibernia. Most mentalists start out as Mana in RVR as Light is kinda gimped low RR in comparison. But RR5+ Almost noone plays Mana spec anymore as Light start to shine. So i would say 1-3 Menta dotters in each zerg..
Conclusion. Mids have shittiest AOE, Hibs 2nd and Albs quite superior with double stackable dots.... STACKABLE. And Wizards dot being the strongest in the game
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I died many times when i have 70% Hp and get Double dotted and noone to help me... Thats just stupid. But HEY! Animist shrooms need a nerf, And Bards too!
I cant for the sake of my life understand why Albs gets so much love.
For the sake of things all 3 realms have 3 dots that stack... Its just that Hibs are the only realm that doesnt have 2x AOE Dots. And the Accessability for Mids and lower dmg makes them kinda out of that game too wich means Albs are Twice as strong in the AOE dot meta wich is quite strong in Zerg fights (wich is 50% of this server)
Sun 3 May 2020 1:55 PM
by
Toss
Very true. Wizards are ridiculusly strong in this meta (server)
Sun 3 May 2020 2:00 PM
by
Toss
Quite funny how Wizards can IN THE SAME SPELL LINE Debuff their own SPEC AOE dot with 50%. Also getting nifty tools as AOE Snare, Strong bolt and Best Nearsight...
Mon 4 May 2020 11:50 AM
by
Lillebror
Its in theire name, they are wizards and perform Magic =)
Also bonus range and damage if called something in line with Gandalf
Also bonus range and damage if called something in line with Gandalf
Mon 4 May 2020 2:06 PM
by
Nunki
Check the video over here (not flaming, well played by that guy):Toss wrote: ↑Sun 3 May 2020 2:00 PMQuite funny how Wizards can IN THE SAME SPELL LINE Debuff their own SPEC AOE dot with 50%. Also getting nifty tools as AOE Snare, Strong bolt and Best Nearsight...
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13362
Still crazy to see:
- Root
- 3x Debuff (Matter, Cold, Heat and/or Cold)
- 2x Bolt
- 1x Dot
- Nukes after that if needed.
EVERY Damage he does on purple debuffs.
Great to see classic Wizard in such a good state, but the utility they gave him is a bit over the top.
Sat 9 May 2020 1:35 AM
by
Anelyn77
I agree, move some of that utility to Necro. I'll take the NS in deathsight and the aoe dot in servant, wiz can keep the aoe root and debuffs, deal? ^^
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