Balancing major RAs (ST and Ichor)

Hello, I understand the Devs are interested in inter realm balance, i.e. all light tanks having access to same positional stuns, snares, etc. If that is true, then by a logical extension we need to consider the imbalance of major RAs in the realms.
1. Static Tempest.
Hib has 2 classes with ST (champ/ment), but alb and mid only have one (friar and thane, respectively).
Suggestion: give ST to Wizards and SMs. This not only balances the numbers but also adds an incentive for albs/mids to group wizards/SMs more which are much less often grouped than other casters in those realms.

2. Ichor of the Deep
Hib has 3 (yes, you read that correctly) classes with Ichor: VW, Animist, and Eld. Mid only has one (sham) and alb has 2 (sorc/necro).
Suggestion: on alb, give ichor to theurg. On mid, give ichor to thane and RM.

Thanks for reading.

Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:45 PM by easytoremember

Due to the amount of thanes running around I don't
think it's a problem for mid to have only one ST class. Thanes tend to pick it up because it boons their shield slam

Albion might be considered for recieving a 2nd ST user only because the Friar is unable to make use of the stun reset and unlikely to take higher ranks of it if at all. If it were given to another Alb class it should also be one that cannot make use of the stun reset on his own.
The wizard already has a lot of custom utility though, the cabalist and sorcerer much the same. Necro already has ichor and maelstrom.

Maybe the theurg, it is similar to Minion Rescue. I can see
the complaints already though hehe.
Infil/Mini/Scout definitely no, Merc/arms/pala/reaver no, and no to cleric

Hib ST is fine as is; champ is underused even though they take ST as frequently as thanes

For ichor an animist picking it up is underused
Valewalker picking it up is underused and the class itself sparse.
I don't see it often off of elds, and eld can't make use of root reset

Shaman is a staple, frequent ichor user. Mid is fine

necro picking it up is underused
Sorc often takes ichor, Alb is fine

If anything give hib a 4th ichor class

Tue 28 Apr 2020 2:05 AM by Azrael

Why stop here when you can extend that for things like nearsight cure too? ST ond SM is a really great idea so he can bomb the shit out of you while being intercepted by his pet and wizards really lacking of tools they definitely need more of them.

Tue 28 Apr 2020 5:41 AM by teiloh

Azrael wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Apr 2020 2:05 AM
Why stop here when you can extend that for things like nearsight cure too? ST ond SM is a really great idea so he can bomb the shit out of you while being intercepted by his pet and wizards really lacking of tools they definitely need more of them.

NS cure on Friars is fine. No class on Hib or Mid needs a NS cure to make it viable, and the realms also do not need or deserve a second NS cure.

Tue 28 Apr 2020 9:41 AM by Failwalker

Hib has 3 (yes, you read that correctly) classes with Ichor: VW, Animist, and Eld. Mid only has one (sham) and alb has 2 (sorc/necro).
Suggestion: on alb, give ichor to theurg. On mid, give ichor to thane and RM.

I dont know why they gave hib on this server all the "new added" ichor, because for many years hibs technically played without ichor due being VW the only hib class having access to it and you know VW have alot of other RA to train first, unless its a set group maybe(?), so it was not as common in rvr as for mid or albs... every group had at least 1 sham or 1 sorc at any time. Also both sham and sorc were both root-classes but VW ? Nope that i know!

Tue 28 Apr 2020 9:45 AM by Razur Ur

Hector wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:16 PM
Hello, I understand the Devs are interested in inter realm balance, i.e. all light tanks having access to same positional stuns, snares, etc. If that is true, then by a logical extension we need to consider the imbalance of major RAs in the realms.
1. Static Tempest.
Hib has 2 classes with ST (champ/ment), but alb and mid only have one (friar and thane, respectively).
Suggestion: give ST to Wizards and SMs. This not only balances the numbers but also adds an incentive for albs/mids to group wizards/SMs more which are much less often grouped than other casters in those realms.

2. Ichor of the Deep
Hib has 3 (yes, you read that correctly) classes with Ichor: VW, Animist, and Eld. Mid only has one (sham) and alb has 2 (sorc/necro).
Suggestion: on alb, give ichor to theurg. On mid, give ichor to thane and RM.

Thanks for reading.

PLZ dont demand this fucking shit! QQ from midgard because of ST, fuck Midgard have as only realm instand and cast ae stun! combined with ST is this so
strong!

Hector guys how are you ruin this game with this jokeless demands!

Tue 28 Apr 2020 10:14 AM by thirian24

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Apr 2020 9:45 AM
Hector wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:16 PM
Hello, I understand the Devs are interested in inter realm balance, i.e. all light tanks having access to same positional stuns, snares, etc. If that is true, then by a logical extension we need to consider the imbalance of major RAs in the realms.
1. Static Tempest.
Hib has 2 classes with ST (champ/ment), but alb and mid only have one (friar and thane, respectively).
Suggestion: give ST to Wizards and SMs. This not only balances the numbers but also adds an incentive for albs/mids to group wizards/SMs more which are much less often grouped than other casters in those realms.

2. Ichor of the Deep
Hib has 3 (yes, you read that correctly) classes with Ichor: VW, Animist, and Eld. Mid only has one (sham) and alb has 2 (sorc/necro).
Suggestion: on alb, give ichor to theurg. On mid, give ichor to thane and RM.

Thanks for reading.

PLZ dont demand this fucking shit! QQ from midgard because of ST, fuck Midgard have as only realm instand and cast ae stun! combined with ST is this so
strong!

Hector guys how are you ruin this game with this jokeless demands!

Lmao, I agree. Hector, stop your bullshit.

Tue 28 Apr 2020 2:11 PM by Noashakra

Wow hib has ichor on 2 marginal classes and one class that is in really good spot and it's problem?
You conveniently didn't speak about the Maelstom and TWF...
Stop with those kind of demands please.

Wed 29 Apr 2020 3:36 PM by Siouxsie

Hector wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:16 PM
Hello, I understand the Devs are interested in inter realm balance, i.e. all light tanks having access to same positional stuns, snares, etc. If that is true, then by a logical extension we need to consider the imbalance of major RAs in the realms.
1. Static Tempest.
Hib has 2 classes with ST (champ/ment), but alb and mid only have one (friar and thane, respectively).
Suggestion: give ST to Wizards and SMs. This not only balances the numbers but also adds an incentive for albs/mids to group wizards/SMs more which are much less often grouped than other casters in those realms.

2. Ichor of the Deep
Hib has 3 (yes, you read that correctly) classes with Ichor: VW, Animist, and Eld. Mid only has one (sham) and alb has 2 (sorc/necro).
Suggestion: on alb, give ichor to theurg. On mid, give ichor to thane and RM.

Thanks for reading.

Seems awfully retarded to give a unique RA (Shaman/Mid) not only to the other 2 realms, but give it to 3 hib classes and 2 Alb classes.
It should never have been done in the first place. Very poor decision. Remove Ichor from Alb and Hib permanently.

But Devs/GMs all love hib here so much.

Wed 29 Apr 2020 5:44 PM by ColdHands

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Apr 2020 3:36 PM
Hector wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:16 PM
Hello, I understand the Devs are interested in inter realm balance, i.e. all light tanks having access to same positional stuns, snares, etc. If that is true, then by a logical extension we need to consider the imbalance of major RAs in the realms.
1. Static Tempest.
Hib has 2 classes with ST (champ/ment), but alb and mid only have one (friar and thane, respectively).
Suggestion: give ST to Wizards and SMs. This not only balances the numbers but also adds an incentive for albs/mids to group wizards/SMs more which are much less often grouped than other casters in those realms.

2. Ichor of the Deep
Hib has 3 (yes, you read that correctly) classes with Ichor: VW, Animist, and Eld. Mid only has one (sham) and alb has 2 (sorc/necro).
Suggestion: on alb, give ichor to theurg. On mid, give ichor to thane and RM.

Thanks for reading.

Seems awfully retarded to give a unique RA (Shaman/Mid) not only to the other 2 realms, but give it to 3 hib classes and 2 Alb classes.
It should never have been done in the first place. Very poor decision. Remove Ichor from Alb and Hib permanently.

But Devs/GMs all love hib here so much.

By this line of logic just go back to Old RAs. Makes no sense.

Wed 29 Apr 2020 6:37 PM by Noashakra

ColdHands wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Apr 2020 5:44 PM
Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Apr 2020 3:36 PM
Hector wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:16 PM
Hello, I understand the Devs are interested in inter realm balance, i.e. all light tanks having access to same positional stuns, snares, etc. If that is true, then by a logical extension we need to consider the imbalance of major RAs in the realms.
1. Static Tempest.
Hib has 2 classes with ST (champ/ment), but alb and mid only have one (friar and thane, respectively).
Suggestion: give ST to Wizards and SMs. This not only balances the numbers but also adds an incentive for albs/mids to group wizards/SMs more which are much less often grouped than other casters in those realms.

2. Ichor of the Deep
Hib has 3 (yes, you read that correctly) classes with Ichor: VW, Animist, and Eld. Mid only has one (sham) and alb has 2 (sorc/necro).
Suggestion: on alb, give ichor to theurg. On mid, give ichor to thane and RM.

Thanks for reading.

Seems awfully retarded to give a unique RA (Shaman/Mid) not only to the other 2 realms, but give it to 3 hib classes and 2 Alb classes.
It should never have been done in the first place. Very poor decision. Remove Ichor from Alb and Hib permanently.

But Devs/GMs all love hib here so much.
By this line of logic just go back to Old RAs. Makes no sense.

obivous troll is obvious

Wed 29 Apr 2020 7:37 PM by ColdHands

Hector wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Apr 2020 11:16 PM
Hello, I understand the Devs are interested in inter realm balance, i.e. all light tanks having access to same positional stuns, snares, etc. If that is true, then by a logical extension we need to consider the imbalance of major RAs in the realms.
1. Static Tempest.
Hib has 2 classes with ST (champ/ment), but alb and mid only have one (friar and thane, respectively).
Suggestion: give ST to Wizards and SMs. This not only balances the numbers but also adds an incentive for albs/mids to group wizards/SMs more which are much less often grouped than other casters in those realms.

2. Ichor of the Deep
Hib has 3 (yes, you read that correctly) classes with Ichor: VW, Animist, and Eld. Mid only has one (sham) and alb has 2 (sorc/necro).
Suggestion: on alb, give ichor to theurg. On mid, give ichor to thane and RM.

Thanks for reading.

Maybe consider the whole picture, what classes are used in groups and what classes are available to each realm.
Worth noting alb has 2 more visible classes than Midgard does, should those classes not get any actives?
I slammed this together, so it may have a few errors.

Wed 24 Jun 2020 1:22 AM by gotwqqd

Looks like mercs could get ST, as they are knlybalb class without two choices
Necro/pally have 3

Looks like some changes could happen in other two realms so each get 2 choices.

Wed 24 Jun 2020 6:47 AM by Razur Ur

i see only that negative maelstrom need remove from one or two alb class :-D and give warrior ichor

Thu 25 Jun 2020 7:02 PM by Nephamael

Hib has 3 (yes, you read that correctly) classes with Ichor: VW, Animist, and Eld. Mid only has one (sham) and alb has 2 (sorc/necro).
Suggestion: on alb, give ichor to theurg. On mid, give ichor to thane and RM.

Ichor on Theurg would be awesome but arguably 2 strong, theurg is slightly underused not cause hes not extraordinary strong in 8v8 but because the alb body train is even more op

I do agree tho it should be given to a class, imo wizard, why not give wizard st and ichor

would make wizard super strong in zerg and still barely viable for 8v8, but maybe some groups would use a wiz for the root reset.

-- Also keep in mind, since the bard nerf most 8men moved or moved back to mid/alb cause hib caster is dead (lack of 2300 range rupts) and only hib melee or hybrid stays viable

The last days i checked it was always about 2-5 times the groups in mid/alb than hib in /gvg list.

I do strongly agree tho, giving SM static and RM ichor would be awesome!

Thu 25 Jun 2020 7:04 PM by Nephamael

Thane is in a very healthy shape btw so he can't have access to ichor

st alone is by far enough. Just give it to rm instead.

Thu 25 Jun 2020 7:08 PM by Nephamael

I suggest giving menty or ench 2300 cast amnesia for making hib castergrps viable again, i think that's the most pressing change that needs to be done actually for 8v8 balance.

Both are nukers in the hib caster assist, so they have to choose either to long range rupt or nuke, like a sorc.

If we gave it to menty it would also make him viable as sole caster in hib tankers, rupting and demezzing like a mid healer.

Fri 26 Jun 2020 5:51 AM by Spiegal

People that want to add even more utility on Wizard are mad for OP class.
They already are and have all the tools for zerg.

If and I say if a class that I would offer a positive review, would be Pally. And that might be ST.

Mon 29 Jun 2020 5:18 AM by Nephamael

If and I say if a class that I would offer a positive review, would be Pally. And that might be ST.

that's actually the perfect suggestion!