Good TOA things missings - Phoenix Freeshard

Tank :
- BG

Casters :
- Speedwarp

Light melee but not minst skald or valk
- Charge (not sure related to TOA

)

Assa
- Mezz poison

Healers including bard shaman friar
- Group disease cure

Bower
- I dont know please ask

Other Hybrides
- I dont know too maybe something to help on interupt or group helping ?

Please express yourself ....

Thu 16 Apr 2020 4:43 PM by Blitze

I obvs see things with friar tinted glasses...

From that era I can’t think of much, as for most of ToA friars were junk (along with most hybrids). The pbaoe disarm RR5 ability was good though... good solo, good in group and thematically perfect.

Thu 16 Apr 2020 4:49 PM by msitruk

On my deer advice channel some talk about zephyr how could I miss it !

Also someone fear than as a caster he fear about charge but he would like speedwarp very much

Finally maybe some RR5 ability good be awesome also to find the perfect way

Thu 16 Apr 2020 5:40 PM by inoeth

yes archers need 2min CD, attackable zephyr

that time was soooo godmode

Thu 16 Apr 2020 5:42 PM by Astaa

I would like to see a few ML abilities perhaps added as realm abilities.

I also think speed chant should be AOE

Thu 16 Apr 2020 7:04 PM by necrolove1

Just my opinion, I prefer Phoenix not go down the road of 3 hot bars full of clickable abilities. I personally enjoy the simplicity of playing my class within its parameters.

That being said, I do miss having class specific RR5s

Thu 16 Apr 2020 7:09 PM by necrolove1

There is however some very interesting PvE content that i think would be nice to see incorporated into the game, such as the dungeon Sobekite Eternal. And some of the ML quests (though not the TOA rewards)

Thu 16 Apr 2020 7:18 PM by msitruk

@necrolove1 I just ask for 1 more ability per type of class
and yes about pve content some are rly cool on TOA

Thu 16 Apr 2020 8:46 PM by Cadebrennus

Pretty much everything from TOA was garbage. What I did like, however, were Champion Levels. They added variety without being OP'ed IMO.

Fri 17 Apr 2020 2:40 AM by gotwqqd

Far to much amalgamation of the classes with toa

Assassins with mezz
Please

Fri 17 Apr 2020 3:02 AM by joshisanonymous

Definitely do not want CLs. Sure, they were powerful like ToA stuff, but really dislike when developers are like, "Ya know what would be cool? Giving every class every ability."

Also very much seconding necrolove's comments on way too many abilities. I loaded up my Vampiir on live after years of dormancy to check out the free account stuff and I easily went beyond 3 bars worth of active abilities that I might need during combat. I always felt like that was one of the downsides to DAoC (and other classic MMOs) as they released expansions: just so much ability bloat.

Fri 17 Apr 2020 3:16 AM by yepyukon

Please do not bring anything that is required to compete. ML abilities made casual gamers quit because they could no longer compete; here, they at least have a chance. I hated everything that ToA brought to PvP (aside from enemies entering Celesius) but loved everything it brought to PvE. I could go either way on Champ Levels, but keep them at 5 max.

I do miss having RR5 class specific abilities and dragon/champ weapons but honestly, if we never got them I would be fine. Just please don't put in anything that would continue to push away the casual gamer.

Fri 17 Apr 2020 5:24 AM by The Skies Asunder

I honestly loved ToA. I had a great guild, and friends who always helped each other so it wasn't very painful for us... I do however understand the arguments of how bad the grind was. I enjoyed the ML's, the artifacts, and the new ToA stats for templates. What I can say, even from someone who enjoyed ToA, I don't really think those things are the right choice for Phoenix. At least not right now.

Fri 17 Apr 2020 6:04 AM by Noashakra

dont bring the artefacts, but the champions level and master level brought variety in the gameplay (you could do a quest for them like the epic quest that doesn't require much to do).
5L RA are also missing imo.

Fri 17 Apr 2020 6:28 AM by Sepplord

BG without counters?

Yeah, that sounds like a really good idea

Fri 17 Apr 2020 6:29 AM by Noashakra

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 6:28 AM
BG without counters?

Yeah, that sounds like a really good idea

Nobody said they would have to implement everything as it was designed by mythic

Fri 17 Apr 2020 6:35 AM by Sepplord

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 6:29 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 6:28 AM
BG without counters?

Yeah, that sounds like a really good idea

Nobody said they would have to implement everything as it was designed by mythic

So the OP doesn'T mean Bodyguard as it was implemented when he makes a Thread called "Good TOA things missing" and says Tanks should get BG.
I am supposed to assume that he means an altered version of Bodyguard that is not like the opriginal Bodyguard, despite him not mentioning any adjustments?

Yeah, okay, i'll just think of my personal interpretation of adjustments and then comment: "great idea".
Seriously...whats the point of any discussion then though? Everyone just assumes unmentioned adjustments and agrees that the every idea is great. I fail how the resulting changes to the game will please everyone at the same time though. That's already impossible to do while people say what they think. How will it go when we just assume things without talking about it?

Fri 17 Apr 2020 6:57 AM by Gildar

yepyukon wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 3:16 AM
Please do not bring anything that is required to compete. ML abilities made casual gamers quit because they could no longer compete; here, they at least have a chance. I hated everything that ToA brought ...

I do miss having RR5 class specific abilities and dragon/champ weapons but honestly, if we never got them I would be fine. Just please don't put in anything that would continue to push away the casual gamer.

TOA is absolute garbage and kill this game.

Phoenix is great because all expansion (except housing) after SI are out of game. Great choice by the devs .

I love THIS game not the other game called TOA ...
Leave Toa rest in peace on live with that 4 hardcore players that like it ... and leave us play our loved DAOC.

TY

Fri 17 Apr 2020 7:34 AM by gotwqqd

Here we have people wanting all the additional stuff.

Me, I’d like to do away with heal pots and /use items

And to be honest I wouldn’t mind it if there was no spellcrafting or alchemy(armor procs/reactive/use) only dropped items and feather stuff

I like the idea of having “holes” in your template

Fri 17 Apr 2020 8:10 AM by easytoremember

msitruk wrote: ↑
Thu 16 Apr 2020 4:38 PM
Tank :
- BG

Casters :
- Speedwarp

Light melee but not minst skald or valk
- Charge (not sure related to TOA )

Assa
- Mezz poison

Healers including bard shaman friar
- Group disease cure

Bad TOA things missings

Fri 17 Apr 2020 10:06 AM by inoeth

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 7:34 AM
Here we have people wanting all the additional stuff.

Me, I’d like to do away with heal pots and /use items

And to be honest I wouldn’t mind it if there was no spellcrafting or alchemy(armor procs/reactive/use) only dropped items and feather stuff

I like the idea of having “holes” in your template

nobody forces you to do a full cap temp

Fri 17 Apr 2020 10:15 AM by Sepplord

inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 10:06 AM
gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 7:34 AM
Here we have people wanting all the additional stuff.

Me, I’d like to do away with heal pots and /use items

And to be honest I wouldn’t mind it if there was no spellcrafting or alchemy(armor procs/reactive/use) only dropped items and feather stuff

I like the idea of having “holes” in your template

nobody forces you to do a full cap temp

Fri 17 Apr 2020 3:39 PM by Gildar

inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 10:06 AM
gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 7:34 AM
Here we have people wanting all the additional stuff.

Me, I’d like to do away with heal pots and /use items

And to be honest I wouldn’t mind it if there was no spellcrafting or alchemy(armor procs/reactive/use) only dropped items and feather stuff

I like the idea of having “holes” in your template

nobody forces you to do a full cap temp

and ... if u like ToA stuff ... go LIVE and find all that ToA garbage like speedtraps and so on ...

GL, tc, bb

Fri 17 Apr 2020 8:06 PM by daytonchambers

Astaa wrote: ↑
Thu 16 Apr 2020 5:42 PM
I would like to see a few ML abilities perhaps added as realm abilities.

I also think speed chant should be AOE

I could do without the ML abilities.

I WOULD, however, love to see songs usable by all three song classes without an instrument. And if they equip an instument (even skald) then their song becomes a radius effect around the singer that affects people out of group like the old artifact effect. A custom change for sure, just something I was thinking about to add variety in play for the song classes

Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:28 PM by inoeth

Gildar wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 3:39 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 10:06 AM
gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 7:34 AM
Here we have people wanting all the additional stuff.

Me, I’d like to do away with heal pots and /use items

And to be honest I wouldn’t mind it if there was no spellcrafting or alchemy(armor procs/reactive/use) only dropped items and feather stuff

I like the idea of having “holes” in your template

nobody forces you to do a full cap temp

and ... if u like ToA stuff ... go LIVE and find all that ToA garbage like speedtraps and so on ...

GL, tc, bb

i really liked the toa times, all the noobs left the servers then <3

Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:59 AM by Azrael

inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:28 PM
i really liked the toa times, all the noobs left the servers then <3

Yeah... all noobs left... it's nice to have you here.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 6:30 AM by imweasel

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Thu 16 Apr 2020 8:46 PM
Pretty much everything from TOA was garbage. What I did like, however, were Champion Levels. They added variety without being OP'ed IMO.

I approve this message.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:09 PM by Gildar

Azrael wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:59 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:28 PM
i really liked the toa times, all the noobs left the servers then <3

Yeah... all noobs left... it's nice to have you here.

pwned

Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:45 PM by inoeth

Gildar wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:09 PM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:59 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:28 PM
i really liked the toa times, all the noobs left the servers then <3

Yeah... all noobs left... it's nice to have you here.

pwned

apples and pies....
i left when eu servers were shut down and i did not have a credit card to pay for us servers.
and now im out of live for too long, i dont have the patience to get into all the new items and stuff.

but yeah totally pwned lol

Thu 30 Apr 2020 1:05 PM by kleiner070879

The only thinks i miss here is Powerpool bonus, healbonus and maybe Dark Spire items (but i know that overcaps are not wanted here) for me it would be fine if the overcaps are only on DS items .....you can not build 101 (or was it 102)? all stats cap with only DS items.

Was charge before ToA or with ToA? because i miss it here too....too much casters here on phoenix in rvr but i think its a daoc specific problem, not only a phoenix one

Thu 30 Apr 2020 4:19 PM by Razur Ur

I missing only CL´s and RR5 :-/