Champ - Dmg ADD - Phoenix Freeshard

A way to buff champ dmg is to give them static Dmg add buff like they had back in the day - would be a great balance tool.

Thanks

Tue 14 Apr 2020 4:50 AM by Riac

Champs need more damage lol???

Tue 14 Apr 2020 5:38 AM by joqin

Champs damage is terrible.

Tue 14 Apr 2020 6:53 AM by Freedomcall

Champ do good dmg with sick debuffs that makes your opponents back to level 35(no, maybe actually 20? =P).
Not to mention they have ST.
And champs actually don't need dmg add cuz they have 2h weapons that procs 11.3 dmg add(even on each slash/crush dmg type!).

If you are still not satisfied, I suggest you role a different class.

Tue 14 Apr 2020 8:03 AM by Riac

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 6:53 AM
Champ do good dmg with sick debuffs that makes your opponents back to level 35(no, maybe actually 20? =P).
Not to mention they have ST.
And champs actually don't need dmg add cuz they have 2h weapons that procs 11.3 dmg add(even on each slash/crush dmg type!).

If you are still not satisfied, I suggest you role a different class.

oof

Tue 14 Apr 2020 9:19 AM by Noashakra

God tier class in duel and quite good in group is asking for a buff. Ok.

Tue 14 Apr 2020 1:55 PM by Razur Ur

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 6:53 AM
Champ do good dmg with sick debuffs that makes your opponents back to level 35(no, maybe actually 20? =P).
Not to mention they have ST.
And champs actually don't need dmg add cuz they have 2h weapons that procs 11.3 dmg add(even on each slash/crush dmg type!).

If you are still not satisfied, I suggest you role a different class.

Champ and good dmg? every offtank class do more meele dmg as a Champion! you cannot champion only reduce own his debuffs! clear the
champ is strong 1vs1 but in a group is a champ only a tank without stoicsm and have no backsnare only backstun and this backstun is
not so strong how you believe! I have with my Champ 378str and do it same meele dmg how are Warrior with only 339 str and this is
a joke! BM can spec anytimer stun (slam) and backsnare+sidesnare and do it more meele dmg, Valewalker do it incridble more dmg! and
fian do it as Fulltank more dmg too and is better guarder! nobody need champion in a group NOBODY!!!! On live was a champ nice
because of burst dmg rr5 + group endureduce chant and both he havent here on this server! plz tell say us a reason for invite a
champion in a tankgroup? same problem have thane too btw. and reaver, zerker, merc, arms, savage, warrior, pala doing more meele
dmg as a champion ;-).

Tue 14 Apr 2020 2:52 PM by Razur Ur

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 9:19 AM
God tier class in duel and quite good in group is asking for a buff. Ok.

can you tell us why he is better for a group than a valewalker/bm or fian ;-)? champ is not a must have class for group and this
is a problem for many casaul player ;-).

Tue 14 Apr 2020 2:56 PM by Sepplord

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 2:52 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 9:19 AM
God tier class in duel and quite good in group is asking for a buff. Ok.

can you tell us why he is better for a group how a valewalker/bm or fian ;-)? champ is not a must have class for group and this
is a problem for many casaul player ;-).

There are not enough groupslots to take every class into group.
The logical follow-up is that you can't make every class a must have.
Funnily, none of the classes you list as comparison are must haves

Tue 14 Apr 2020 3:01 PM by Razur Ur

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 2:56 PM
Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 2:52 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 9:19 AM
God tier class in duel and quite good in group is asking for a buff. Ok.

can you tell us why he is better for a group how a valewalker/bm or fian ;-)? champ is not a must have class for group and this
is a problem for many casaul player ;-).

There are not enough groupslots to take every class into group.
The logical follow-up is that you can't make every class a must have.

but a better choice for more groups individuality i mean.

Tue 14 Apr 2020 3:09 PM by Razur Ur

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 2:56 PM
Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 2:52 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 9:19 AM
God tier class in duel and quite good in group is asking for a buff. Ok.

can you tell us why he is better for a group how a valewalker/bm or fian ;-)? champ is not a must have class for group and this
is a problem for many casaul player ;-).

There are not enough groupslots to take every class into group.
The logical follow-up is that you can't make every class a must have.
Funnily, none of the classes you list as comparison are must haves

in a tank group is a fian bm and valewalker a must have in hibernia and this is fact. the last slot you can fillup with champ but can take a second
bm/fian or valewalker ( you have the choose debuffs+static from champ + bad sidesnare vs Valewalker with more dps, baod + ichor or bm with
better meele dmg + better peelz and DW vs enem guarder or take a high rr fian with backspeelz + soldier barricade vs caster groups or dd vs tanks
groups in assisttrain vs assisttrain).

I am of the opinion group endureduce chant doesn't hurt anyone

Tue 14 Apr 2020 3:57 PM by Astaa

Champs are OP as fk, really boring. I binned mine at RR4Lsomething and rolled a hero.

Tue 14 Apr 2020 5:14 PM by Noashakra

Man VW don't have stoicism like the champ and it NOT a must have class. It's a good class but not a must have.
We run sometimes with champions and it's fine...

Tue 14 Apr 2020 9:19 PM by Razur Ur

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 5:14 PM
Man VW don't have stoicism like the champ and it NOT a must have class. It's a good class but not a must have.
We run sometimes with champions and it's fine...

the fact is that a VW do it more dmg than a champ :-) and baod + ichor is nice too vs alb caster groups. my opinion is
that vw a must have offtank is in a fulltanker hib group. but sure a champ/vw assisttrain is funny with str/con debuff.

Wed 15 Apr 2020 6:57 AM by Freedomcall

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 1:55 PM
Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 6:53 AM
Champ do good dmg with sick debuffs that makes your opponents back to level 35(no, maybe actually 20? =P).
Not to mention they have ST.
And champs actually don't need dmg add cuz they have 2h weapons that procs 11.3 dmg add(even on each slash/crush dmg type!).

If you are still not satisfied, I suggest you role a different class.

Champ and good dmg? every offtank class do more meele dmg as a Champion! you cannot champion only reduce own his debuffs! clear the
champ is strong 1vs1 but in a group is a champ only a tank without stoicsm and have no backsnare only backstun and this backstun is
not so strong how you believe! I have with my Champ 378str and do it same meele dmg how are Warrior with only 339 str and this is
a joke! BM can spec anytimer stun (slam) and backsnare+sidesnare and do it more meele dmg, Valewalker do it incridble more dmg! and
fian do it as Fulltank more dmg too and is better guarder! nobody need champion in a group NOBODY!!!! On live was a champ nice
because of burst dmg rr5 + group endureduce chant and both he havent here on this server! plz tell say us a reason for invite a
champion in a tankgroup? same problem have thane too btw. and reaver, zerker, merc, arms, savage, warrior, pala doing more meele
dmg as a champion ;-).

I think you need to re-think about the concept of champion class itself.
Champ is a hybrid tank class which is supposed to do debuffs with him.
I didn't say champ's melee damage table is superior,
I know it is at 19(afaik it wasn't changed here on Phoenix) which is lower than all full/light tanks, and VW/pally/friars.

But the thing is, they have *2 value debuffs when all the other classes have *1.25 value.
So, the result you see is champ being a very strong class in 1v1(I won't say OP thou).
If you want to be more grp friendly, I think you'll want damage table raise, for example 19->21, but then champ will be really unbeatable on 1v1.
So for a tradeoff, you might need to devalue your debuffs instead for 1v1 balance.

Idk, what I wrote above is just an simple example without deep consideration.
But champs are already strong at 1v1 as you said, and that's the first reason they can't boost champ damage.
So, my point is just asking for dmg buff won't work and you need to make some kind of tradeoff for more balanced suggestions,
something that affects none/little on 1v1 but boosts your grp viability.

p.s. Just to show how champ debuff is devastating.

I instantly lost 478 hp just by champ's 'yellow' S/C debuff when I was solo using 'comb pots'.
Imagine how would have been if it were 'red' S/C debuff when I had 'buffer's real buffs'(I assume you know the debuff mechanic).

Wed 15 Apr 2020 8:22 AM by Razur Ur

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Wed 15 Apr 2020 6:57 AM
But the thing is, they have *2 value debuffs when all the other classes have *1.25 value.
So, the result you see is champ being a very strong class in 1v1(I won't say OP thou).
If you want to be more grp friendly, I think you'll want damage table raise, for example 19->21, but then champ will be really unbeatable on 1v1.
So for a tradeoff, you might need to devalue your debuffs instead for 1v1 balance.

Idk, what I wrote above is just an simple example without deep consideration.
But champs are already strong at 1v1 as you said, and that's the first reason they can't boost champ damage.
So, my point is just asking for dmg buff won't work and you need to make some kind of tradeoff for more balanced suggestions,
something that affects none/little on 1v1 but boosts your grp viability.

p.s. Just to show how champ debuff is devastating.

I instantly lost 478 hp just by champ's 'yellow' S/C debuff when I was solo using 'comb pots'.
Imagine how would have been if it were 'red' S/C debuff when I had 'buffer's real buffs'(I assume you know the debuff mechanic).

Sorry i cant believe this that you lost 146 str/con (Value 73) by red str/con debuff from champion and how you said this is only strong
by 1vs1 but 8vs8 is this not so important and what me fuck up is this low dmg vs alb caster group where i do average dmg 300-350 dmg
because of str debuff from sorc + cheap pd :-/.

Wed 15 Apr 2020 4:04 PM by Azrael

lol, are we complaining that hybrids don't hit like off/fulltanks?!? lul
Yeah, please bring my skald on warrior table too. thx

Wed 15 Apr 2020 6:25 PM by nicolas

Champs are fine, they don t need anything else, what you guys are talking about?? Seriously these whines are just stupid to ask to boost one of the most powerfull class in this game state. They can decimate almost every classes very fast with a few realm ranks. Even necro and high realm ranks bd when played well with a balance 50 percent win on minstrels lol. You have access to 2 types of dmg without speccing any points into blades or blunt, you have access to slam, you can switch from2h to 1h beetwin 2 swings, you red strgh/buff, you have an incredible 250plus dmg insta every 10 seconds, you have an insta snare, side snare from 10spec into blades, red debuff, st the most abused ra in the game beside twf, easy access to purge and ip, you can switch on 20percent haste proc, lt procs from galla/rog, dot proc, dmg add 11.3 charge on weapons plus shield if you want abs charge up in each fights, do i have to continue ?

PS : this message come from a rr7+ solo champion on phoenix.

Maybe i have an idea give them speed 6, instant mezz, and an instant heal every 30 seconde like for valkyrie, and a leviathan proc on backstun ???? Seriously what are you smoking while doing posts like this????

Nikotine rr7L4 champion and others .

Wed 15 Apr 2020 7:06 PM by paqdizzle

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 1:55 PM
Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Apr 2020 6:53 AM
Champ do good dmg with sick debuffs that makes your opponents back to level 35(no, maybe actually 20? =P).
Not to mention they have ST.
And champs actually don't need dmg add cuz they have 2h weapons that procs 11.3 dmg add(even on each slash/crush dmg type!).

If you are still not satisfied, I suggest you role a different class.

Champ and good dmg? every offtank class do more meele dmg as a Champion! you cannot champion only reduce own his debuffs! clear the
champ is strong 1vs1 but in a group is a champ only a tank without stoicsm and have no backsnare only backstun and this backstun is
not so strong how you believe! I have with my Champ 378str and do it same meele dmg how are Warrior with only 339 str and this is
a joke! BM can spec anytimer stun (slam) and backsnare+sidesnare and do it more meele dmg, Valewalker do it incridble more dmg! and
fian do it as Fulltank more dmg too and is better guarder! nobody need champion in a group NOBODY!!!! On live was a champ nice
because of burst dmg rr5 + group endureduce chant and both he havent here on this server! plz tell say us a reason for invite a
champion in a tankgroup? same problem have thane too btw. and reaver, zerker, merc, arms, savage, warrior, pala doing more meele
dmg as a champion ;-).

except I've seen a champ win vs all those classes in a 1v1 and 2v1 scenarios.. Champs don't need shit on this server. Anyone complaining about Champ damage, play a melee scout, wait no you'd quit the server.. okay make an arms... wait another class that can't do champ damage consistently enough to even to matter OH YEAH arms are peelers on this server.... okay what class would you make to do more damage? Warrior? VW? And did I read you saying reavers do more damage than a champ? are you assuming they are ONLY getting levi procs per hit? OH WAIT, another skill that got nerffed here... Reavers do crappy whip damage but their procs are the main source of damage. otherwise you are going to see a lot of 90's when it comes to damage. I don't get this suggestion at all in any way that makes sense lol

Thu 16 Apr 2020 7:16 AM by Razur Ur

nicolas wrote: ↑
Wed 15 Apr 2020 6:25 PM
Champs are fine, they don t need anything else, what you guys are talking about?? Seriously these whines are just stupid to ask to boost one of the most powerfull class in this game state. They can decimate almost every classes very fast with a few realm ranks. Even necro and high realm ranks bd when played well with a balance 50 percent win on minstrels lol. You have access to 2 types of dmg without speccing any points into blades or blunt, you have access to slam, you can switch from2h to 1h beetwin 2 swings, you red strgh/buff, you have an incredible 250plus dmg insta every 10 seconds, you have an insta snare, side snare from 10spec into blades, red debuff, st the most abused ra in the game beside twf, easy access to purge and ip, you can switch on 20percent haste proc, lt procs from galla/rog, dot proc, dmg add 11.3 charge on weapons plus shield if you want abs charge up in each fights, do i have to continue ?

PS : this message come from a rr7+ solo champion on phoenix.

Maybe i have an idea give them speed 6, instant mezz, and an instant heal every 30 seconde like for valkyrie, and a leviathan proc on backstun ???? Seriously what are you smoking while doing posts like this????

Nikotine rr7L4 champion and others .

Wtf talking you for shit? you played anytime a champion? i dont believe this!

the most powerful class in this game is a joke :-D champ lose vs same rank reaver/pala/bd/gb/minstrel/necro etc. give so much another class where
more OP in this game 1vs1 with ra bashing!

champ have with lw two dmg types sure very nice but this have hero too but another side have champion no access for backsnare and this is big disadvantage
for 8man rvr.

Access for slam is clear not bad but if you want spec 42 shild so can you only 50lw spec too and have only yellow debuffs or you get red debuffs
and have only 38lw because of 10blade spec for sidesnare!

Now the red insta dd doing only 170dmg on enemy with template! my champ is rr11 have all stats cap in my temp 75 acuity and do never ever 250dmg.
i dont know how you got this fake wisdom and btw. this op insta have a recast time from 15sec and not from 10sec! you show that you dont know
anything over a champ and you can only biggest QQ. my request plz create a champ and play this class in 1vs1 and then tell me that this class
is to op :-) and all this items what you counting have any another class access too and not only the champ!

Thu 16 Apr 2020 7:39 AM by Razur Ur

paqdizzle wrote: ↑
Wed 15 Apr 2020 7:06 PM
except I've seen a champ win vs all those classes in a 1v1 and 2v1 scenarios.. Champs don't need shit on this server. Anyone complaining about Champ damage, play a melee scout, wait no you'd quit the server.. okay make an arms... wait another class that can't do champ damage consistently enough to even to matter OH YEAH arms are peelers on this server.... okay what class would you make to do more damage? Warrior? VW? And did I read you saying reavers do more damage than a champ? are you assuming they are ONLY getting levi procs per hit? OH WAIT, another skill that got nerffed here... Reavers do crappy whip damage but their procs are the main source of damage. otherwise you are going to see a lot of 90's when it comes to damage. I don't get this suggestion at all in any way that makes sense lol

Hey bro we talking over group avaible with champ and not over more buffs for 1vs1 ;-). you compare with scout vs champ is little bit a joke and yes 1vs1
is with warrior and arms rly diffycult to win vs a champion but both classes have more strenghen in a group! and atm is this leviathan spam
and pbae rupt rly strong with reaver and hey only what reaver needed in 1vs1 is twf and master of block.

and how i said the champion need something for group how like group endureducechant or acuity debuff how like on live server.

Thu 16 Apr 2020 8:23 AM by Noashakra

I am not even losing all my fights vs reavers, and maybe one paladin killed me so far. If you lose vs those classes, the problem is not the class.

Thu 16 Apr 2020 9:03 AM by Razur Ur

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Thu 16 Apr 2020 8:23 AM
I am not even losing all my fights vs reavers, and maybe one paladin killed me so far. If you lose vs those classes, the problem is not the class.

be lucky that you found only noobs :-D and plz fight vs rr8+ reaver who have ra´s rdy! reaver with twf5 and mob5 and purge played every champion out!
good brainless reaver give it to which staying all time in the static.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 5:31 AM by Stynkfyst28

Champs def don't need more dps or a balance . They are by far the kings of 1v1 and really good peelers in 8 mans

Sat 18 Apr 2020 6:23 AM by imweasel

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Thu 16 Apr 2020 7:16 AM
nicolas wrote: ↑
Wed 15 Apr 2020 6:25 PM
Champs are fine, they don t need anything else, what you guys are talking about?? Seriously these whines are just stupid to ask to boost one of the most powerfull class in this game state. They can decimate almost every classes very fast with a few realm ranks. Even necro and high realm ranks bd when played well with a balance 50 percent win on minstrels lol. You have access to 2 types of dmg without speccing any points into blades or blunt, you have access to slam, you can switch from2h to 1h beetwin 2 swings, you red strgh/buff, you have an incredible 250plus dmg insta every 10 seconds, you have an insta snare, side snare from 10spec into blades, red debuff, st the most abused ra in the game beside twf, easy access to purge and ip, you can switch on 20percent haste proc, lt procs from galla/rog, dot proc, dmg add 11.3 charge on weapons plus shield if you want abs charge up in each fights, do i have to continue ?

PS : this message come from a rr7+ solo champion on phoenix.

Maybe i have an idea give them speed 6, instant mezz, and an instant heal every 30 seconde like for valkyrie, and a leviathan proc on backstun ???? Seriously what are you smoking while doing posts like this????

Nikotine rr7L4 champion and others .

Wtf talking you for shit? you played anytime a champion? i dont believe this!

the most powerful class in this game is a joke :-D champ lose vs same rank reaver/pala/bd/gb/minstrel/necro etc. give so much another class where
more OP in this game 1vs1 with ra bashing!

champ have with lw two dmg types sure very nice but this have hero too but another side have champion no access for backsnare and this is big disadvantage
for 8man rvr.

Access for slam is clear not bad but if you want spec 42 shild so can you only 50lw spec too and have only yellow debuffs or you get red debuffs
and have only 38lw because of 10blade spec for sidesnare!

Now the red insta dd doing only 170dmg on enemy with template! my champ is rr11 have all stats cap in my temp 75 acuity and do never ever 250dmg.
i dont know how you got this fake wisdom and btw. this op insta have a recast time from 15sec and not from 10sec! you show that you dont know
anything over a champ and you can only biggest QQ. my request plz create a champ and play this class in 1vs1 and then tell me that this class
is to op :-) and all this items what you counting have any another class access too and not only the champ!

Wait. You're telling me, according to you, that you played a horrible and terrible class to RR 11 and are finally now complaining about said class?

Sat 18 Apr 2020 9:45 AM by Noashakra

it's always like this, people playing OP classes always find excuses about why it's in fact a weak or balanced class, because it can be because of this that they win their duels. Ministrels do the same.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 10:29 AM by Razur Ur

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 9:45 AM
it's always like this, people playing OP classes always find excuses about why it's in fact a weak or balanced class, because it can be because of this that they win their duels. Ministrels do the same.

Haha Champion and OP that is the reason for so many Champions in group for 8vs8 gvg list :-D and btw minstrel is important for every alb group because
of speed 6 and the champ need nobody in group!

Sat 18 Apr 2020 10:36 AM by Razur Ur

imweasel wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 6:23 AM
Wait. You're telling me, according to you, that you played a horrible and terrible class to RR 11 and are finally now complaining about said class?

i never write anytime that the champion is terrible! i said only that gives enough another classes for 8vs8 gvg as a champion. Champion is
1vs1 nice but not OP! and only what i want is a ability for group how like endu reduce chant!

btw. my champion is only rr11 because i played one year not another char in rvr because i played champion since 2002 where is fucking OP champion
not OP was! and compare with live server is the champ on this server not rly OP but how i said you dont understand this because of to much pee pee
in your eyes :-D i love you guys

The main thing is that caster and savage get a lot of love!

Sat 18 Apr 2020 1:39 PM by imweasel

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 10:36 AM
imweasel wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 6:23 AM
Wait. You're telling me, according to you, that you played a horrible and terrible class to RR 11 and are finally now complaining about said class?

i never write anytime that the champion is terrible! i said only that gives enough another classes for 8vs8 gvg as a champion. Champion is
1vs1 nice but not OP! and only what i want is a ability for group how like endu reduce chant!

btw. my champion is only rr11 because i played one year not another char in rvr because i played champion since 2002 where is fucking OP champion
not OP was! and compare with live server is the champ on this server not rly OP but how i said you dont understand this because of to much pee pee
in your eyes :-D i love you guys

The main thing is that caster and savage get a lot of love!

I think you should read what you're posting. What you've posted does not equal what you just said...