Suggestions ?
Racial Choice for Vale Walker
Started 28 Aug 2018
by
Shadanwolf
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Hibernia
Tue 28 Aug 2018 4:36 PM
by
Amroth
Celt.
Firbolg sticks out like a sore thumb and you will get cc'd or trained down easily.
Firbolg sticks out like a sore thumb and you will get cc'd or trained down easily.
Tue 28 Aug 2018 4:52 PM
by
Patron
To be not a bolg not prevent you for cc or gets trained.
But to be a bold result in higher weaponskill, damage and bigger scythe.
bigger is better, so i would suggest bold.
but in fact, there is not a race which not fit, so play what fits for you.
I like to play vw melleeside, so bolg is my single choice, even i lack in castspeed
But to be a bold result in higher weaponskill, damage and bigger scythe.
bigger is better, so i would suggest bold.
but in fact, there is not a race which not fit, so play what fits for you.
I like to play vw melleeside, so bolg is my single choice, even i lack in castspeed
Tue 28 Aug 2018 6:05 PM
by
elflord
I don't think there's a "right" choice here. Play what you prefer, celt, bolg or sylvan. I would love to see a lurikeen vw. That would be hilarious.
Tue 28 Aug 2018 7:13 PM
by
phixion
I'd go Celt because I think they look better, plus they have more rounded stats.
Tue 28 Aug 2018 7:51 PM
by
Quik
phixion wrote: ↑Tue 28 Aug 2018 7:13 PMI'd go Celt because I think they look better, plus they have more rounded stats.
This is my opinion, but it really comes down to this...
Melee VW will always be better as a Firby since they have much higher starting Str. Not a lot more dmg, but noticeable.
Caster VW will be better a Sylvan with higher starting Int.
Balanced will be better as a Celt with a better combo of all stats.
Keep in mind that it is not a game breaker no matter which option and which race, those are just min/maxing things. if you prefer the look of one then do it, we're talking a few percentage points difference at end game after being temped.
Wed 29 Aug 2018 7:06 AM
by
Bethoc
Since it hasn't been specifically mentioned, note that Valewalkers rely on style reactionaries and positional procs for much of their damage. As the quickest available race, Celts will complete more of these styles than a Firbolg or Sylvan would, despite somewhat lower melee damage per hit. It also lets them penetrate bladeturn and follow up with another style easier, leading to rare instances where those split seconds saved win them the fight. Its casting speed is best as well.
The Firbolg, with its higher weaponskill from strength, may occasionally hit where a Celt or Sylvan would miss. Besides hitting a bit harder.
The Sylvan has better life drain damage, a little more power, and less chance of a spell resist. It has 5% extra racial resists too, in the form of 5% energy, 5% matter, 3% crush, and 2% thrust. 15% total compared to the 10% of other races, which is sometimes overlooked.
Celt is my personal choice.
The Firbolg, with its higher weaponskill from strength, may occasionally hit where a Celt or Sylvan would miss. Besides hitting a bit harder.
The Sylvan has better life drain damage, a little more power, and less chance of a spell resist. It has 5% extra racial resists too, in the form of 5% energy, 5% matter, 3% crush, and 2% thrust. 15% total compared to the 10% of other races, which is sometimes overlooked.
Celt is my personal choice.
Wed 29 Aug 2018 7:41 PM
by
BaldEagle
Sylvan for Solo
Celt for Group because best all around
Firby if you just want to hit hard
Celt for Group because best all around
Firby if you just want to hit hard
Sat 1 Sep 2018 5:49 AM
by
MacPrior
Sry, I can't follow the decision, celt is the best choice. Why Celt?
60 dex and qui? For what please?
Dex will be nice for cast speed. Ok, but you cast a lifetap and in the same time use an inst dot on caster in target - its done, even with low dex you cast gone though, your target is damaged and you are healed.
Qui is nice for quicker weapon speed. But who cares? You will be buffed buy with dex/qui in group and you have your own haste shout upto 39!!! % for 30 sec. Its the highest haste in the game and is even quicker, then the best Midgards celerity cast!
Dex and Qui are good for Parry But who cares? You have advanced evade 4 (and later dodger) with lvl 30 automatically. And evade is better then parry. By the way, a sylvan has only 5 less dex, then celt.
Celt has worst race resistances across possible races - 2% crash, 3 % slash and 5% spirit.
In each skill the VW is a melee primary. And the main thing for melee is his weapon ability. WA is more then any other aspects. WA is your damage, but also your chance to hit at all,a chance to penetrate the defence of an enemy AND you own defence, because in the calculation of the chance of penetration of your own defence your is compared with the WAs of you enemy.
VW has the highest WA across the hybrid classes in the game, but he has to use each chance to grow his WA in order be competitive against classic tanks and hybrids.
So, Strg is the most important attribute of VW by far. By the way, the style procs of scythe are str-depended too.
Thus the best choice is definitely a bolg with 80 str.
I would choose the second best race - the sylvan. Bolg has 10 points completely wasted in empathy, the sylvan has 10 int more, which is his magic attribute - > more power, better life tap.
Sylvan has best possible resistances - 15 % together against 10 of each other race. And all 15 are useful.
And I would pic 15 str and 10 qui from the starting points. Or 15 qui and 10 str - quickness is quite complicated to rich capped in template normaly.
60 dex and qui? For what please?
Dex will be nice for cast speed. Ok, but you cast a lifetap and in the same time use an inst dot on caster in target - its done, even with low dex you cast gone though, your target is damaged and you are healed.
Qui is nice for quicker weapon speed. But who cares? You will be buffed buy with dex/qui in group and you have your own haste shout upto 39!!! % for 30 sec. Its the highest haste in the game and is even quicker, then the best Midgards celerity cast!
Dex and Qui are good for Parry But who cares? You have advanced evade 4 (and later dodger) with lvl 30 automatically. And evade is better then parry. By the way, a sylvan has only 5 less dex, then celt.
Celt has worst race resistances across possible races - 2% crash, 3 % slash and 5% spirit.
In each skill the VW is a melee primary. And the main thing for melee is his weapon ability. WA is more then any other aspects. WA is your damage, but also your chance to hit at all,a chance to penetrate the defence of an enemy AND you own defence, because in the calculation of the chance of penetration of your own defence your is compared with the WAs of you enemy.
VW has the highest WA across the hybrid classes in the game, but he has to use each chance to grow his WA in order be competitive against classic tanks and hybrids.
So, Strg is the most important attribute of VW by far. By the way, the style procs of scythe are str-depended too.
Thus the best choice is definitely a bolg with 80 str.
I would choose the second best race - the sylvan. Bolg has 10 points completely wasted in empathy, the sylvan has 10 int more, which is his magic attribute - > more power, better life tap.
Sylvan has best possible resistances - 15 % together against 10 of each other race. And all 15 are useful.
And I would pic 15 str and 10 qui from the starting points. Or 15 qui and 10 str - quickness is quite complicated to rich capped in template normaly.
Tue 4 Sep 2018 1:13 PM
by
Aph
the vw's damage lie in their dd style... So you want to use the fastest scythe and pick up the caster ra's (yes the dd should be able to crit). There shoulden't be any other vw than a 'caster' vw.. Its just not about casting ur lifetap, its about getting as many dd styles off as possible. How much damage ur styles do is insignificant compared to the damage of the dd in it. So str is only useful to gain ws enough to land ur styles.. A good thumb rule is to not hit shield tanks at all ^_^
Race choice is a minor difference so just play whatever u feel most comfy with since landing ur side chain is key to succes !
Race choice is a minor difference so just play whatever u feel most comfy with since landing ur side chain is key to succes !
Tue 4 Sep 2018 4:35 PM
by
Shadanwolf
HALF of the Vw's mele styles and the long chains in them are for side and back positions. HALF. This is my concern. If a VW is supposed to be a caster why the heavy emphasis on mele positions----side---back ?
Wed 5 Sep 2018 5:29 AM
by
Kaziera
All defense of vw depends on dex and qui. Super important. Plus the castspeed benefits.
Qui is also very important. Most dmg from styles are procs. Their dmg changes with str. Nothing else. So the faster you hit, the more often you hit this high dmg proc for the same dmg, increasing your dps. So celt again.
Qui is also very important. Most dmg from styles are procs. Their dmg changes with str. Nothing else. So the faster you hit, the more often you hit this high dmg proc for the same dmg, increasing your dps. So celt again.
Thu 13 Sep 2018 11:40 AM
by
majedorcanie
I have up 50 three vw celt, sylvan and firbolg with xp items and /level. THX 
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Celt : +10STR +10DEXT +10INT
Sylvan : +10STR +10DEXT +10QUICK
Firbolg : +10DEXT +10QUICK +10INT
Why not +10 CON ? because it's equal to 40 hits. Not big difference where you are 50 with SC.
At 50, total in differents stats :
Celt : 115 STR - 75 CON - 70 DEXT - 60 QUICK - 93 INT
Sylvan : 125 STR - 75 CON - 65 DEXT - 55 QUICK - 93 INT
Firbolg : 135 STR - 75 CON - 50 DEXT - 50 QUICK - 93 INT
Celt and sylvan are better choice than Firbolg.
Because Vw sometimes is casting or is cac.
Celt is a neutral choise, but equal to sylvan who have 5% resist more and a special aspect.
Firbolg is too low cac and casting without bonus casting and melee speed on this server.
)Celt : +10STR +10DEXT +10INT
Sylvan : +10STR +10DEXT +10QUICK
Firbolg : +10DEXT +10QUICK +10INT
Why not +10 CON ? because it's equal to 40 hits. Not big difference where you are 50 with SC.
At 50, total in differents stats :
Celt : 115 STR - 75 CON - 70 DEXT - 60 QUICK - 93 INT
Sylvan : 125 STR - 75 CON - 65 DEXT - 55 QUICK - 93 INT
Firbolg : 135 STR - 75 CON - 50 DEXT - 50 QUICK - 93 INT
Celt and sylvan are better choice than Firbolg.
Because Vw sometimes is casting or is cac.
Celt is a neutral choise, but equal to sylvan who have 5% resist more and a special aspect.
Firbolg is too low cac and casting without bonus casting and melee speed on this server.
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