Cheap Det for Hybrids? - Phoenix Freeshard

Hybrids getting Det is a good thing, let's get that straight.

However, them getting 50% CC reduction or 2/3rds of the CC reduction full tanks can get for exactly the same amount of points points seems a bit much. With resists and some AoM (which they can now get faster) they are quite close to being a fulltank in regards of CC duration. At the very least you can not really justify applying anything but the longest duration CC on them when fighting them group vs group, just like fulltanks.

Yes, they do pay more for Purge, but so do we all. Also, purge on 5 minute timer is not in here (thank god).

However, I do think that it might be worth discussing the fact that they can get Det IX (50% CC reduction) at 3L2.

My personal opinion is that Det for hybrids should cost more OR stay at the same cost but has a lower value (about 35% seems decent).

Sun 26 Aug 2018 4:42 PM by Zansobar

Which Hybrids are getting an RvR spot over a heavy tank?

Sun 26 Aug 2018 5:11 PM by Quik

I was wondering the same.

Which hybrid is getting such a huge Det bonus that they are taken over the typical classes?

I still see Hero/BM taken in Hib almost verytime over anyone else. Arms/Merc in Alb although at least Reaver is taken more.. Warrior/Svg/Ber taken in Mid.

Why in the world is this an issue when it still doesn't help them a lot? How would this help anyone if it was changed?

Sun 26 Aug 2018 5:19 PM by

gruenesschaf

To have it effectively cost more for hybrids is the entire reason why we opted for stoicism + det9 instead of just of det 3 -> full tanks always have the cc advantage for the same amount of points spent. There are no plans to make it more expensive or less effective than it is with stoicism being a thing.

Sun 26 Aug 2018 6:10 PM by Zansobar

Quik wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Aug 2018 5:11 PM
I was wondering the same.

Which hybrid is getting such a huge Det bonus that they are taken over the typical classes?

I still see Hero/BM taken in Hib almost verytime over anyone else. Arms/Merc in Alb although at least Reaver is taken more.. Warrior/Svg/Ber taken in Mid.

Why in the world is this an issue when it still doesn't help them a lot? How would this help anyone if it was changed?

I agree, if anything Hybrids need more help not less .

Sun 26 Aug 2018 10:26 PM by Niix

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Aug 2018 5:19 PM
To have it effectively cost more for hybrids is the entire reason why we opted for stoicism + det9 instead of just of det 3 -> full tanks always have the cc advantage for the same amount of points spent. There are no plans to make it more expensive or less effective than it is with stoicism being a thing.

So full tanks == light tanks and full tanks?

Why light tanks get stoicism? Why group a hero over a Bm these days, least warriors only stoicism tank in mid with slam and arms have insane damage and best utility style line in the game... hero’s do not have enough damage to compensate for lower utility over bms

Sun 26 Aug 2018 10:55 PM by Zansobar

Niix wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Aug 2018 10:26 PM
gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Aug 2018 5:19 PM
To have it effectively cost more for hybrids is the entire reason why we opted for stoicism + det9 instead of just of det 3 -> full tanks always have the cc advantage for the same amount of points spent. There are no plans to make it more expensive or less effective than it is with stoicism being a thing.

So full tanks == light tanks and full tanks?

Why light tanks get stoicism? Why group a hero over a Bm these days, least warriors only stoicism tank in mid with slam and arms have insane damage and best utility style line in the game... hero’s do not have enough damage to compensate for lower utility over bms

Heroes get Moose.

Mon 27 Aug 2018 2:43 AM by Niix

Zansobar wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Aug 2018 10:55 PM
Niix wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Aug 2018 10:26 PM
gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sun 26 Aug 2018 5:19 PM
To have it effectively cost more for hybrids is the entire reason why we opted for stoicism + det9 instead of just of det 3 -> full tanks always have the cc advantage for the same amount of points spent. There are no plans to make it more expensive or less effective than it is with stoicism being a thing.

So full tanks == light tanks and full tanks?

Why light tanks get stoicism? Why group a hero over a Bm these days, least warriors only stoicism tank in mid with slam and arms have insane damage and best utility style line in the game... hero’s do not have enough damage to compensate for lower utility over bms

Heroes get Moose.

Bms get triple wield and evade 3

??? Hero’s only strength is better damage back against non slash weps

Hero’s just don’t have enough utility or damage (defence doesn’t matter with enough, 30min reuse moose isn’t good enough) to compete with blade masters
Blademasters without slam is another story...

Tue 28 Aug 2018 8:55 AM by Kha

Damn it's not only on minstrel threads that we get "on the fly ridiculous opinions" then. No damage test comparaison, no full RA template comparaison, nothing, just a "it's not fair as it is, and it's too low damage" ... Come on ....
Did staff already make a list of "not worth listening to" members ? Or you really analyse all those wild stuff ?

/cheer, must be time consuming.

Tue 28 Aug 2018 12:38 PM by Magesty

Kha wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Aug 2018 8:55 AM
Damn it's not only on minstrel threads that we get "on the fly ridiculous opinions" then. No damage test comparaison, no full RA template comparaison, nothing, just a "it's not fair as it is, and it's too low damage" ... Come on ....
Did staff already make a list of "not worth listening to" members ? Or you really analyse all those wild stuff ?

/cheer, must be time consuming.

If you disagree with something perhaps you should address it directly instead of writing awkward, passive aggressive posts.

Tue 28 Aug 2018 12:45 PM by heardstheword

Magesty wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Aug 2018 12:38 PM
If you disagree with something perhaps you should address it directly instead of writing awkward, passive aggressive posts.

Welcome to the Phoenix forums, bud.

Don't dare to post an opinion without thousands of data points or else Kha will complain about how you didn't spend the last 48 hours testing your opinion. Therefore anything you say will be wrong.

Thu 30 Aug 2018 12:46 AM by Boulvejak

It's silly to spend the same amount of points for less benefit. Given the state hybrids are in, it just adds insult to injury. I think a better solution would be to re-do the scaling:

• Remove Stoicism
• Det 9 = Current Det 9 + Stoicism
• Det X (Exact level at GM Discretion) = Current Det 9 with no Stoicism. Cap hybrids here.
• Remainder of Det levels are rescaled appropriately

Same amount of CC reduction for points spend, but Hybrids have a cap to how effective their Det can be. This frees up more Realm Skillpoints for Hybrids to improve themselves in other areas (and they really need a little love).

What level Det "X" is can be decided by GMs based on what point investment they feel hybrids should be required to make for their max Det bonus.