Tritri wrote: ↑
Mon 18 Feb 2019 10:49 AM
You pick your fight with instant amnesia ?
So let's say, there is a mid group that is coming in front, on a plain field and you "don't want to engage using amnesia" as you are implying if I'm not mistaken.
Bard uses AoE Amnesia on the mid group, if he's lucky and they are not sleeping, he will hit maybe max 4 targets. Then they start running away
Let's say it's a tank group so 2 heals - sham - skald - war -zerk/savage to complete, no caster whatsoever, pretty bad comp but for the sake of the argument it's really a bad group to catch people up
Bard loses speed a few seconds later and the 4 targets loses it aswell
If any of the skald - sham - heals hasn't been hit by the amnesia, the hib group can not run away
But they can still manage to disengage depending on how the fight goes, and they can even take advantage of the situation if the mid group tries to run too deep since most hib comp are based on casters that kills overextended targets.
You can easily imagine how the hib group isn't going to be able to fly away against a greater number of enemies if they decide to chase
To be honest, when you really want to avoid a fight, you avoid using amnesia to cut speed, you are far better off trying to run in speed 6 and lose them, or letting them engage and using SoS
Amnesia doesn't help running away, it helps catching up
Think it has been fairly obvious in the posts, that people complain Hibs are the only realm that has the ability to "force" a fight, if both groups are on same speed.
Hibs don't run caster groups here, they run hybrid, it seems, mixing up bm/hero/eld/chant and such.
And with 2 bards in group, or even one, it's a small loss for bard to drop speed, if you can drop speed on 3-4 targets in enemy group.
Amnesia was like this in classic, but people have better knowledge today and very few don't understand how to use it.
Insta amnesia is very strong, but you can't say "reduce range" without giving bards something else.
RvR right now, group v group, is fairly balanced, and Mids seem to dominate slightly more than Hibs, with albs being bottom.
So I think making any nerfs this significant would be a major mistake.
Is amnesia strong? Hell yeah! Please stop pretending it's not.
Does it warrant a nerf? Hell no, not unless you compensate (bard spam amnesia+360 evade, or root etc...).