Server Rules: Clarification Suggestion

Started 7 Apr 2019
by Mause Mac an Toisich
in Suggestions
Let me start by saying that I completely agree with a prohibition against 'AFK gameplay'.

Today, Clockwork made an Announcement stating that 'AFK farming (unattended gameplay) is against the server rules. This reminded me that I had recently looked at the Server Rules again after another mention of AFK gameplay being disallowed...because I had not remembered anything making that clear in the Server Rules. I even mentioned it to two other people and they both looked at the rules and agreed that it did not seem to be clearly prohibited.

The only reference to 'AFK' is under the multi-account discussion...

1.2 A player is not allowed to log his/her account and another players account at the same time.
1st offense: Warning and 3-day ban for both accounts
2nd offense: Permaban for both accounts ( If the second logged account was not involved in the 1st offense, the account will receive the 3-day ban)
If you are playing from the same household and one of you has to AFK for more than 10 minutes, make sure to log out of the game as you might get tested for dual logging. If, after 10 minutes, the test fails, the ban will be applied.

Under section 5 Macroing...it talks about macroing...

5. Macroing
It is allowed to bind multiple actions to a key, however, delays, repeats, and conditions are strictly forbidden as well as any other means that allow unattended game-play
1st offense: Deletion of all characters and 2-weeks ban
2nd offense: permaban of Player

I don't really see either section clearly prohibiting non-macro walking away while a pet is positions where it is subject to attack.

I suggest making this more clear...particularly to those that try to read rules in a way that works best for themselves. Perhaps something like...

5. Macroing and Other Unattended Game Play

Software and Hardware devices that support macro functionality may be used ONLY if the macro contains NO delay, repeat, or conditional functions. All macros must run only once per key press.

Unattended Game Play: being away from your computer (often referred to as AFK, short for Away From Keyboard) for longer than 10 minutes while your character is set up to gain XP, money, loot or other rewards without being under your control is prohibited.
Sun 7 Apr 2019 12:49 PM by Bradekes
I made a post about this a long time ago... They don't like updating the rules but they like to ban and site really small phrases about unattended gameplay... There's no problem that it is a rule but they need to make it obvious even add a simple example of their most common offense...
Sun 7 Apr 2019 7:10 PM by Wasted_Content
I'm not sure why walking away with your Pet AFK is so frowned upon. It's literally one of the least efficient methods for doing anything. Eventually, your pet buffs wear off and it (and you) will die, or the server will kick you for being AFK. If a player is running a macro to keep their pet buffed, or to keep them from d/cing from the AFK timer, then sure..punish them. But if they're using the bathroom or doing chores or working with an AFK pet and checking on it every 8 or 9 minutes? ..I dunno - why bother them? It's SO inefficient.
Mon 8 Apr 2019 3:27 AM by Bradekes
Wasted_Content wrote:
Sun 7 Apr 2019 7:10 PM
I'm not sure why walking away with your Pet AFK is so frowned upon.
Basically, BD are the reason this can't be a thing... their pet would literally never die, you could also consider ally pet could kill forever too if the mobs are low blues. Also some charmable healing pets may be able to pull this off.

I think they just need to clarify their rules better because it really isn't as obvious as they make it seem it is.. because it is not exactly afk script play, exploiting a bug, or mechanic it is just how the classes are built.

The real kicker though is that the pets aggro range is so low that this would be extremely slow unless they found a mob that instantly respawns as some do.
Mon 8 Apr 2019 4:43 AM by Frieza
have to agree with the OP here, whilst i think it should be frowned upon, i dont think it should be not allowed?

As mentioned, its the most inefficient way to lvl/ farm.....You can sit there with a farm char, and in 15 minutes get the resources/ exp that an afker i.e. BD will get in 1-2 hours. So who are they hurting?

Why not fix the real problem and that is the scripters that set it up to appear non-afk but are. This is the big problem imo (and they are still getting away with it). They had a solution for this on another server and it was a mixture of looking at recycled actions, but also sending messages to these characters and sighting the response to see if they get any/ the same one. Theres really only 100-200 people (id estimate) who know how to do this on this server too, so it would be easy to administer.
Mon 8 Apr 2019 6:37 AM by Sepplord
efficiency isn't a huge concern when i don't have to play / check my character every now and then

Farming 1plat in 8hours is really inefficient...but getting 1plat overnight and 1plat while i am at work, for the last two months would still net me an additonal 120plat to splash around


Is anyone here claiming "it doesn't hurt anyone" aware what would change if everyone with a BD had an additional 120platin?
Tue 9 Apr 2019 11:25 PM by orbits
I think the focus of this topic is to just be more clear in the Server Rules - which I was searching for myself. It's totally legit to have this as a rule and have consequences - I think the majority of us here are saying we just want it to be explicit in the rules so that people don't get in a situation where they are breaking rules without knowing.

I am one such example - I played a BD for the first time in my life this week, and thought how cool it was that I could mainly AFK at work and very slowly get my task kill items. A GM kindly corrected me and I apologized for breaking the rules that he said I broke, but admitted I didn't realize it was one. I then reviewed the rules and had a hard time matching what I did to the rules.

The request here is just to spell it out - saying you cannot go AFK with pets solely xping for you. I imagine if you're AFK while your friend PLs you is OK, but this is not..
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