Soooo is it even worth rolling up a...

Pally/Reaver/Friar/Wizard/Necro/Champ/Valewalker/Thane/Bonedancer/ect...

Or is it just the same meta cancer as always?

Just curious if anything is remotely different here.

Wed 23 Jan 2019 11:43 AM by Joc

pally, reaver, BD, Thane, and champ for both rvr and pve yes. Some custom chamges here have made them more viable than they used to be at this patch level. Though i think that other classes are more optimal, they are closer to viable here than they were in 1.65 and Uthgard. To some extent a wizard has more viability now with nearsight too. The problem is that a competent cabby will do so much more. The debuff trains could be fun though also.

For pve only I would say also friar, necro, and wizards.

Unfortunately the VW is very blah at this patch level. Styles are still 3 and 4 long to get the true potential out of the class, which we all know is not very viable or realistic in RvR. In the current state of rvr and pve, every class does it better usually than a VW.

This is just my opinion of course, and skill at any given class will dictate your general success.

Friars are super fun to be honest, as are VWs. They are just very limited in 8 man setups. Small man they can do well though if you are skilled.

Wed 23 Jan 2019 11:57 AM by nOerkH

Isn't there this "one specific class......." in every realm? Yeah menta can be hard to fight with all this heal, mezz, stun stuff but ... especially as a Champ or Valewalker, there is nothing to be scared ..

and Pally with all those extra skillpoints and dmg on this server will be more OP than the others I assume ...

Wed 23 Jan 2019 12:14 PM by rubaduck

nOerkH wrote: ↑
Wed 23 Jan 2019 11:57 AM
Isn't there this "one specific class......." in every realm? Yeah menta can be hard to fight with all this heal, mezz, stun stuff but ... especially as a Champ or Valewalker, there is nothing to be scared ..

and Pally with all those extra skillpoints and dmg on this server will be more OP than the others I assume ...

Menta as in mentalist? It is the heaviest nuker on hib and is a necessity in 8 man caster group at least.

In terms of the classes, Reaver is fine and VW is fine. They work in most comps but their playstyle is clunky. Reavers are fine, work in both melee and caster groups. VW are probably the strongest SI class right now (not taking animist or savage or bd in to consideration), and doesn't need much love to work. It is the only plate level tank, the damage is very good and the utility is amazing for pvp.

Friar, paladin and thanes needs to be worked at, and I believe they will manage to get it fairly alright.

Wed 23 Jan 2019 2:47 PM by Numatic

rubaduck wrote: ↑
Wed 23 Jan 2019 12:14 PM
nOerkH wrote: ↑
Wed 23 Jan 2019 11:57 AM
Isn't there this "one specific class......." in every realm? Yeah menta can be hard to fight with all this heal, mezz, stun stuff but ... especially as a Champ or Valewalker, there is nothing to be scared ..

and Pally with all those extra skillpoints and dmg on this server will be more OP than the others I assume ...

VW are probably the strongest SI class right now (not taking animist or savage or bd in to consideration), and doesn't need much love to work. It is the only plate level tank

For one, the fact that you listed three other SI classes "not taking into consideration" is literally like saying a fire wizard is the best nuker, not taking into consideration (insert other casters). So basically the VW is at least the 4th best SI class. Also, I dont ever remember feeling like I wore plate armor on my VW. Maybe its different now but probably felt somewhere between an assasin/studded in terms of damage mitigation.

Wed 23 Jan 2019 3:00 PM by Calconious

IMO. Play what you like to play and don't worry about the meta. Get a good guild and make some friends and they should let you play what you have fun on.

Wed 23 Jan 2019 9:09 PM by kmark101

Haven't seen a single class that is not viable here, honestly. Especially that with ROG's, templating is actually fun and much easier.

Wed 23 Jan 2019 10:37 PM by Renork

Numatic wrote: ↑
Wed 23 Jan 2019 2:47 PM
rubaduck wrote: ↑
Wed 23 Jan 2019 12:14 PM
nOerkH wrote: ↑
Wed 23 Jan 2019 11:57 AM
Isn't there this "one specific class......." in every realm? Yeah menta can be hard to fight with all this heal, mezz, stun stuff but ... especially as a Champ or Valewalker, there is nothing to be scared ..

and Pally with all those extra skillpoints and dmg on this server will be more OP than the others I assume ...

VW are probably the strongest SI class right now (not taking animist or savage or bd in to consideration), and doesn't need much love to work. It is the only plate level tank

For one, the fact that you listed three other SI classes "not taking into consideration" is literally like saying a fire wizard is the best nuker, not taking into consideration (insert other casters). So basically the VW is at least the 4th best SI class. Also, I dont ever remember feeling like I wore plate armor on my VW. Maybe its different now but probably felt somewhere between an assasin/studded in terms of damage mitigation.

Smite clerics are the best nukers (not taking into account every other caster in the game), he he I just had to do that. You can absolutely tell when someone plays a vdub and when someone googles their spells and says “vdubs have plate armor”, lol. OP should play whatever he wants but have realistic expectations. Rolling a fire wiz and then complaining about not getting into an 8 man for example would be silly.

Thu 24 Jan 2019 2:47 AM by Stikato

As far as rvr, not unless you

1) Have an active group/guild

2) Enjoy spending your gaming nights sitting at PK spamming "lfg"

Source: many hours spent doing #2

Thu 24 Jan 2019 6:37 AM by jhaerik

Stikato wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Jan 2019 2:47 AM
As far as rvr, not unless you

1) Have an active group/guild

2) Enjoy spending your gaming nights sitting at PK spamming "lfg"

Source: many hours spent doing #2

Yeh this is about what I honestly expected.

Was the same on live/Uth.. my hybrids never did anything but spam LFG and wonder around waited to get rolled my an 8 man farming solos.

Why I ended up just rolling stealth.

Thu 24 Jan 2019 7:38 AM by Atome

Make the game your own and enjoy it, meta mehhhh just enjoy it.

Thu 24 Jan 2019 8:37 AM by Tritri

If you are not playing a meta class, you have to make a name for yourself.

People aren't going to say "we need a VW to complete our group", but they may say "Hey XXX is LFG, get him"

Thu 24 Jan 2019 9:21 AM by Sepplord

Atome wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Jan 2019 7:38 AM
Make the game your own and enjoy it, meta mehhhh just enjoy it.

just enjoying it is hard when you don't find groups and get told to level something useful every now and then

Thu 24 Jan 2019 11:04 AM by Atome

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Jan 2019 9:21 AM
Atome wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Jan 2019 7:38 AM
Make the game your own and enjoy it, meta mehhhh just enjoy it.

just enjoying it is hard when you don't find groups and get told to level something useful every now and then

I hear you, I’m a scout, so I understand. Doesn’t stop me making my own groups and continue to progress though!

Thu 24 Jan 2019 11:18 AM by Cadebrennus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Jan 2019 9:21 AM
Atome wrote: ↑
Thu 24 Jan 2019 7:38 AM
Make the game your own and enjoy it, meta mehhhh just enjoy it.

just enjoying it is hard when you don't find groups and get told to level something useful every now and then

I've noticed that groups like that tend to fold when they don't have the absolute perfect meta setup, including RAs and gear. If they only roll out when it's perfect then they end up having less "field time" and more sitting around and waiting time. Those groups are also tend to be less fun to be in, win or lose.