Duallog should be allowed - Phoenix Freeshard

It stands out again that many people are banned because of dual logging. In my opinion, it makes absolutely no sense to ban, let people play as they want. Are you concerned about a higher traffic and resulting costs? Of course, I follow the rules, but I do not have to approve of them. Because I definitely do not. Because it used to be a gang and give a buffbot to use. Of course I know that you have decided against Duallog, I just want to know why. Because a simple "No can not" I think stupid :-) Would be happy about WHY you have so decided. Maybe there are reasons that I can come to immediately or the range of which can not recognize. I only see people being banned again daily because of Duallog. In my eyes it is a problem that is not or should not be a problem.

Thu 12 Jul 2018 5:22 PM by heardstheword

Because someone will inherently exploit the opportunity like that.

That one negative person can/will affect other which include people who just have a single account.

Thu 12 Jul 2018 5:22 PM by Aincrad

I disagree and thinks it makes sense. The terms and conditions say that dual logging is not allowed. If you do not approve of the rules that is fine, disobey them, but that doesn't mean you get to decide what the action is if you disobey those rules. That is up to those who created the server.

I think one of the reason they do not allow it is because they want to encourage others to group up to level. If everyone could dual log not as many people would group with others as they have their own personal buffbot. I definitely do not know the exact reasons why they don't allow for it, but i would guess that is one of the reasons. As they have already provided many incentives for solo players I am okay with not being able to dual log and I think it is better for the server.

Thu 12 Jul 2018 5:24 PM by Trefal_Matt

I see great relevance for PVE, provided it doesn't create too much additional server load or lag. That said, I'm all for allowing a 2nd account in tow in pve, especially as a "buffbot" would be useless in RVR due to the buff tether/range limit.

Fri 13 Jul 2018 8:07 AM by sebbo

So, let players play how they want?

Like it was on liveservers, where several classes weren´t even invited into xp groups anymore, because they rather used buffbots for the group? You don´t see any gap between players who are able to set up a 2nd machine to run a buffbot (virtual or physical), while other players don´t have this possibility?

You don´t see any advantage for players that have the knowledge to set up specific macros for their buffbots, while other players without this knowledge have a disadvantage?

Wtf...

Fri 13 Jul 2018 8:32 AM by Topenga

What you seem to forget is the difference between live and freeshard.

Live earned money with every account and every additional BB that logged in!!

This is for free! Right now I guess the staff is losing money giving us this wonderful gaming experience as a gift.
Their server. Their rules. No buffbots. Period. Take it or leave it but don't question it.

Fri 13 Jul 2018 8:48 AM by Galahad

I think the rules are pretty clear. And the reason for not allowing dual logging are numerous.

Short answer would be that we want Phoenix to be a social "experience", that means creating a setup in which people are encouraged to interact and collaborate. Allowing dual logging would go against that goal. We understand that some people prefer to play on their own, and that is their right - but we will not actively encourage it by allowing bots. We feel that it wouldn't promote a "healthy" server community - especially since dual logging is much easier today as it was in 2003 (i.e. no extra subscription fee and most modern PCs can easily handle two accounts). You'd very rapidly have a situation where part of the player base would roll bot duos and the other half had no one to group/play with.

Fri 13 Jul 2018 8:52 AM by aso

i dont like dual login to
but i think there will be a lot of problems :/(

Fri 13 Jul 2018 8:55 AM by Topenga

aso wrote: ↑
Fri 13 Jul 2018 8:52 AM
i dont like dual login to
but i think there will be a lot of problems :/(

I can't believe how many people already got banned for violating the rules...in a beta!?!?
Everybody is going crazy

Fri 13 Jul 2018 10:18 AM by aso

yes its true, i mean we can clearly say there is something ppl want.
i dont know a solution how to fix this and make the ppl happy

Fri 13 Jul 2018 10:32 AM by Galahad

dual logging is an immovable line in the sand for us, really no point arguing for it.

But I think that Phoenix offers a lot of customizations to make the PvE experience more enjoyable. There will, at the end of the day, always be people that do not find their preferred playstyle represented in a given rule set. But if you are trying to make everyone happy, no one will be in the end.

Fri 13 Jul 2018 2:10 PM by Bigga

Today I discussed with my brother why people even want to have a BB. We also asked ourselves. We said: Buffbots make it easy for us to level up when we level solo / duo ..... then we caught ourselves running into groups all the days ... first because it was funnier and not so monotonous. ..then it was much faster than solo. Anyway, I just asked for a statement and I got that now. It makes sense in my eyes. But sometimes it is really useful to log two Accs, because I want to trade something or spellcraften or whatever. It's just the problem, where does it start, where does it end ... this can not be controlled anymore. That's why I understand the fundamental ban. It is only sad to see that people do not understand it or do not want to understand it and are banished one after the other .....

Fri 13 Jul 2018 2:15 PM by heardstheword

As far as trading goes, there are account-based vaults that you can use to transfer between your characters.

Fri 13 Jul 2018 4:51 PM by Der_Eisbaer

I definitely disagree on duallog being allowed, not even for PvE, pretty much because this is a team game and I am very happy that this is being enforced.

Fri 13 Jul 2018 5:09 PM by Lillebror

Back in the days at live i used my «bb» to craft while i played since most of thouse i played with had a bb anyway.
With server settings for equal buffs pots and barrels and charges i see not much need in a bb. Except it gave me other toolsene since i wasnt chargeing up spec buffs every 10min.

Fri 13 Jul 2018 5:30 PM by Tyton

Please never buffbots.

Sun 15 Jul 2018 8:43 AM by Numatic

Buffbots were one of the worse things to happen to daoc. Allowing that trend really screwed with the game. Saying you need to dual log to be viable was crappy. It also removed an entire spec line from the buffing class because no one ever needed it because they had their own.

It ruins the solo experience. It ruins grouping. It runs how RvR was meant to be.

I'm glad they don't allow them.

Sun 15 Jul 2018 11:07 AM by Tyton

Numatic wrote: ↑
Sun 15 Jul 2018 8:43 AM
Buffbots were one of the worse things to happen to daoc. Allowing that trend really screwed with the game. Saying you need to dual log to be viable was crappy. It also removed an entire spec line from the buffing class because no one ever needed it because they had their own.

It ruins the solo experience. It ruins grouping. It runs how RvR was meant to be.

I'm glad they don't allow them.

It really did ruin it. I remember playing with my buddies back on Live circa Cata/Labby launch - everyone had a buff bot accompanying them to PvE or RvR. And also going to the border keeps and seeing a sea of buff bots was pretty depressing. Only reason it was probably allowed was because buff bots = more subs $$

Sun 15 Jul 2018 8:16 PM by Pedro

Keep in mind the costs of maintaining the server, adding buffbots, adds more strain to the server, bandwidth, etc. So everyone suffers when buffbots are allowed.

Live servers allowed it (technically) because it added more paid subscriptions.

Sun 15 Jul 2018 11:15 PM by Tree

Duallogging also alters the way you experience the game; much more things to do at one time, a lot of tabbing and generally a more hectic and for most probably less enjoyable gameplay.
By choosing not to do this you will always be at a disadvantage against the players that do. Hence saying "let those do it that want to" is an invalid argument, because whoever decides to enjoy the game with only one character will never be able to achieve as much as one that duallogs.

Mon 16 Jul 2018 1:11 AM by Daft

I support the ban on dual logging. Just wanted to make my voice heard here amidst the complaints.

Mon 16 Jul 2018 2:59 AM by Quik

Absolutely...ban it.

Mon 16 Jul 2018 3:20 AM by Fugax

Sorry bud, but Ban Hammer away on those that don't read the rules. DAOC is a time of grouping with people and making an experience... not some fortnight instant gratification. Server has already given us more. /cheers

Sat 21 Jul 2018 12:48 AM by chryso

I want my shaman to be invited to groups. If many people run a buffbot then I get no group.

Sat 21 Jul 2018 3:59 PM by daocgod

chryso wrote: ↑
Sat 21 Jul 2018 12:48 AM
I want my shaman to be invited to groups. If many people run a buffbot then I get no group.

There is a buff range so of course a Shaman is still needed.

It is rather tedious to powerlevel shitty mooch guildmates that have to be online even though they are just afk leeching when I could do it without them, add in timezones and its just a huge barrier of entry when it comes to making toons for a guild.

Sun 22 Jul 2018 3:34 AM by Kaosfury

Galahad wrote: ↑
Fri 13 Jul 2018 8:48 AM
I think the rules are pretty clear. And the reason for not allowing dual logging are numerous.

Short answer would be that we want Phoenix to be a social "experience", that means creating a setup in which people are encouraged to interact and collaborate. Allowing dual logging would go against that goal. We understand that some people prefer to play on their own, and that is their right - but we will not actively encourage it by allowing bots. We feel that it wouldn't promote a "healthy" server community - especially since dual logging is much easier today as it was in 2003 (i.e. no extra subscription fee and most modern PCs can easily handle two accounts). You'd very rapidly have a situation where part of the player base would roll bot duos and the other half had no one to group/play with.

This

Sun 22 Jul 2018 3:35 AM by Kaosfury

Galahad wrote: ↑
Fri 13 Jul 2018 8:48 AM
I think the rules are pretty clear. And the reason for not allowing dual logging are numerous.

Short answer would be that we want Phoenix to be a social "experience", that means creating a setup in which people are encouraged to interact and collaborate. Allowing dual logging would go against that goal. We understand that some people prefer to play on their own, and that is their right - but we will not actively encourage it by allowing bots. We feel that it wouldn't promote a "healthy" server community - especially since dual logging is much easier today as it was in 2003 (i.e. no extra subscription fee and most modern PCs can easily handle two accounts). You'd very rapidly have a situation where part of the player base would roll bot duos and the other half had no one to group/play with.

This, well said

Sun 22 Jul 2018 3:47 AM by Windhand

I'm not going to make a habit of locking posts, but this one has been answered by staff and is one of the positions that is least likely to change on the server going forward. If anything changes, everyone will be informed. Feel free to discuss and nuances around the subject in other threads, but there isn't much point in continuing this conversation.

Dual logging will not be allowed - please read the rules and if you have any questions relating to playing with friends/family from the same IP - please contact a GM if you need clarification.