Consensus on General Toxicity?

Experienced my first bad group yesterday. This is an online game, so I'm aware that it is going to happen. I'm generally either quiet, friendly, or make poor attempts at humor when I converse with people in any game. The last online game I invested in was League of Legends, so toxicity is something I'm no stranger to. Is this something people have been experiencing? I'm not trying to whine, just attempting to get a general consensus for how people are behaving so far...I love DAoC and the communities of OLD that came along with it. I am to expect elitism, games that have been around as long as this one are more prone to the type of behavior.

For background of the incident, I play a warrior. I joined a bomb group in DF. There were probably 3 caster deaths and 6 levels gained in an hour and a half of grind...we wiped at the end but I would overall say it was a success. I was blamed for standing too close to the casters(This is in DF...where mobs notoriously add, so I was playing cautious.) There was mostly one toxic player, and a few side comments from the others that could be taken as toxic depending on the person. I said I would remove myself from group so I would be replaced by someone that isn't as terrible as me...paused before leaving as if to expect some sort of remorse...and there was none. No messages after leaving, just carrying on as usual, a group of people completely content with leaving someone in that manner.

This is supossed to be a tight-knit game, that's what made DAoC great. Again, I come from League of Legends. Am I overanalyzing? I want this server to succeed, I don't think it will reach it's full potential if this kind of toxicity is just ignored by the community.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 2:57 PM by vitu

You had one bad expierence and go to the forum to open a post about "General Toxicity".. Yeah. Ok.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 3:00 PM by istandalonetoo

I haven't experienced anything like this. There will always be bad apples and elitist jerks even in a great community.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 3:10 PM by Inactas

vitu wrote: ↑
Wed 16 Jan 2019 2:57 PM
You had one bad expierence and go to the forum to open a post about "General Toxicity".. Yeah. Ok.

I stated I was asking for a general consensus. That was the purpose of post. I didnt drop a name or attempt to shame any one. You could add your experiences instead of negativity.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 3:23 PM by Warjon

Too close to the caster? Hmm I have been a bomber most of my DAOC life, and when I move in to spam my Aoe I never once thought about how close I am to the tanks holding aggro. That they have aggro and are stacking the mobs is all I think about before moving in. Interesting.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 3:46 PM by Sepplord

Warjon wrote: ↑
Wed 16 Jan 2019 3:23 PM
Too close to the caster? Hmm I have been a bomber most of my DAOC life, and when I move in to spam my Aoe I never once thought about how close I am to the tanks holding aggro. That they have aggro and are stacking the mobs is all I think about before moving in. Interesting.

that part confused me also. Imo there is not much to say without actually having chatlogs or something. There are always two stories. In general ofcourse toxicity is bad, and i doubt anyone would disagree with that. What is toxicity though is often where the opinions differ.

Imo, behaving like this, also doesn't help lowering toxicity. It's passive agressive butthurt with the expectation of guilting someone into feeling bad for their behavior.

I said I would remove myself from group so I would be replaced by someone that isn't as terrible as me...paused before leaving as if to expect some sort of remorse...and there was none. No messages after leaving, just carrying on as usual, a group of people completely content with leaving someone in that manner.

I understand why it was said, from OPs point of view, but just like it feels like there is a justification for this, there might be backstories to other toxic behaviours as well.

In know there are clear cut cases, and such people need to be removed or shunned by the community (often doesn't happen if they are succesful/organize stuff people tend to rather look over toxic behaviour because they want to keep reaping other benefits) but if we gave everyone the benefit of doubt instead of always assuming highest malice we might be better off.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 3:52 PM by Hellmet

To me, it's the casters responsibility to judge when and where to bomb, end of story. Tanks job is to group them together.

But, let's be real here.. I play a lot of League of Legends and LoL is by far the most toxic game on the planet.. you could combine all other online games together and you still wouldn't get close to the toxicity of LoL. Even their company Riot has been exposed this year for misogyny, bro like culture and a company where C level executives find it acceptable to talk about raping women etc. There is nothing that comes close to League when it comes to toxicity.. with that said I still love the game.

Now bringing this subject into the context of DAOC is just stilly, over the past week I've run into nothing but nice people.. people wanting to do things for the good of the realm etc. It's not even a subject to be honest. Yes, every once in a while you will run into a group that may have a bad attitude.. maybe it's a group of close friends who have their own mini culture.. but just get out of that group and don't associate with them. Just like in life, there are so many good people around just stay away from the bad and don't worry about them.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 3:53 PM by Pedro

This type of toxicity hasn't been seen in Albion...just saying

Joking aside, think a lot of us have grown 18 years or so since the original game, and should be mature enough. But then again some don't really mature, others still don't see it as a game, and I've seen some younger/newer players trying out the game, so who knows.

But you as the mature one, just /ignore and move on, enjoy the game, have fun and make friends.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 3:58 PM by Harlff

So far everyone has been friendly, but I haven't grouped a ton.

Seems a bit passive aggressive to say your gonna remove yourself and then wait for a pity response. It might be better to speak up and explain that standing close to the casters is generally fine and hard to avoid in DF. Not to mention the casters should (imo) use the tank as the anchor point and position themselves accordingly.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 4:11 PM by chryso

That blame for wiping sounds like a load of crap. Sometimes wipes happen. It is the nature of the game that eventually the perfect storm of bad luck occurs all at once and your group dies. You just gotta keep on keepin on.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 4:12 PM by Phuse

They are the minority, don't take it to heart. DAoC in general (from back in the day)and this server are good people who want to enjoy the game and have a good time - however there will always be bad apples but just ignore them. /chinup

Wed 16 Jan 2019 4:23 PM by Inactas

I had mentioned things and basically been ignored, being referred to in third person instead of being offered criticism or advice.

It sounds like I'm in the minority and that is the kind of uplifting consensus I was hoping for so thanks for responses.

And, I did overreact, but wasn't necessarily looking for pity, just sort of something other than what I had received. Also didnt compare this to LoL, used LoL as an example to cement that I'm not unaccustomed to that sort of behavior in online gaming. I also didnt take screens or chat logs due to not wanting to shame people, I will let that work out naturally.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 4:56 PM by Unda

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Wed 16 Jan 2019 5:15 PM by Harlff

Inactas wrote: I had mentioned things and basically been ignored, being referred to in third person instead of being offered criticism or advice.

This sounds very much like a group of people in discord or some other voice chat just blaming the odd man out. Ignore them and move on

Wed 16 Jan 2019 5:42 PM by kmark101

Inactas wrote: ↑
Wed 16 Jan 2019 2:43 PM
...complaining...

@op, can you please just delete or rename the thread?

I think you are doing lots of harm here, based on ONE bad experience with some jerks... you know, new players open the forum and see your thread at the top, complaining about "general toxicity", while in my experience for example this is the most friendly daoc server/community ever... you present some pretty bad image unintentially...

Wed 16 Jan 2019 5:49 PM by Inactas

kmark101 wrote: ↑
Wed 16 Jan 2019 5:42 PM
Inactas wrote: ↑
Wed 16 Jan 2019 2:43 PM
...complaining...

@op, can you please just delete or rename the thread?

I think you are doing lots of harm here, based on ONE bad experience with some jerks... you know, new players open the forum and see your thread at the top, complaining about "general toxicity", while in my experience for example this is the most friendly daoc server/community ever... you present some pretty bad image unintentially...

I changed the topic, harm wasn't my intent. I was trying to find out if I was in the minority, which I appear to be.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 6:25 PM by SpoonyBard

Inactas wrote: ↑
Wed 16 Jan 2019 2:43 PM
Experienced my first bad group yesterday. This is an online game, so I'm aware that it is going to happen. I'm generally either quiet, friendly, or make poor attempts at humor when I converse with people in any game. The last online game I invested in was League of Legends, so toxicity is something I'm no stranger to. Is this something people have been experiencing? I'm not trying to whine, just attempting to get a general consensus for how people are behaving so far...I love DAoC and the communities of OLD that came along with it. I am to expect elitism, games that have been around as long as this one are more prone to the type of behavior.

For background of the incident, I play a warrior. I joined a bomb group in DF. There were probably 3 caster deaths and 6 levels gained in an hour and a half of grind...we wiped at the end but I would overall say it was a success. I was blamed for standing too close to the casters(This is in DF...where mobs notoriously add, so I was playing cautious.) There was mostly one toxic player, and a few side comments from the others that could be taken as toxic depending on the person. I said I would remove myself from group so I would be replaced by someone that isn't as terrible as me...paused before leaving as if to expect some sort of remorse...and there was none. No messages after leaving, just carrying on as usual, a group of people completely content with leaving someone in that manner.

This is supossed to be a tight-knit game, that's what made DAoC great. Again, I come from League of Legends. Am I overanalyzing? I want this server to succeed, I don't think it will reach it's full potential if this kind of toxicity is just ignored by the community.

I think you were fresh off the incident. Plus, you put yourself at the mercy of others by insulting yourself; regardless of what happens, this is a bad idea in general, online or not. Whether it as your fault or not, playing the incident that way requires you to use strangers as a crutch (who may be upset at actions that happened); it would require exceptionally thoughtful people to dissuade your concerns in those conditions. You also may have caught people who had foregone sleep or were stressed due to factors in group or life circumstances; there's just really too many things that could add to the reasons for these responses/behaviors (Not that these justify the behavior, but it's an explanation for them. It shows the intent behind the person and shines light on the purpose behind their actions).

I've had a generally positive experience with this game/shard. I keep in mind people will be people. I may catch them on a rough day; they're not required to go out of their way to be kind/nice to me online and that's okay. In my 40+ hours on this shard since launch, I've not met anyone who is intentionally out to get me or means ill-will. I've had people leave group due to concerns with the group or general unhappiness with it and that's perfectly okay. They want to have fun and they feel like it's being impacted in a way they can remedy it. Don't take instances like the above to heart; it sounds like you were stressed and trying your best and that's all you can do. At the end of the day, it's just a game and you're trying to have fun in some way; that's important to keep in mind.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 8:22 PM by Inactas

SpoonyBard wrote: ↑
Wed 16 Jan 2019 6:25 PM
Inactas wrote: ↑
Wed 16 Jan 2019 2:43 PM
Experienced my first bad group yesterday. This is an online game, so I'm aware that it is going to happen. I'm generally either quiet, friendly, or make poor attempts at humor when I converse with people in any game. The last online game I invested in was League of Legends, so toxicity is something I'm no stranger to. Is this something people have been experiencing? I'm not trying to whine, just attempting to get a general consensus for how people are behaving so far...I love DAoC and the communities of OLD that came along with it. I am to expect elitism, games that have been around as long as this one are more prone to the type of behavior.

For background of the incident, I play a warrior. I joined a bomb group in DF. There were probably 3 caster deaths and 6 levels gained in an hour and a half of grind...we wiped at the end but I would overall say it was a success. I was blamed for standing too close to the casters(This is in DF...where mobs notoriously add, so I was playing cautious.) There was mostly one toxic player, and a few side comments from the others that could be taken as toxic depending on the person. I said I would remove myself from group so I would be replaced by someone that isn't as terrible as me...paused before leaving as if to expect some sort of remorse...and there was none. No messages after leaving, just carrying on as usual, a group of people completely content with leaving someone in that manner.

This is supossed to be a tight-knit game, that's what made DAoC great. Again, I come from League of Legends. Am I overanalyzing? I want this server to succeed, I don't think it will reach it's full potential if this kind of toxicity is just ignored by the community.

I think you were fresh off the incident. Plus, you put yourself at the mercy of others by insulting yourself; regardless of what happens, this is a bad idea in general, online or not. Whether it as your fault or not, playing the incident that way requires you to use strangers as a crutch (who may be upset at actions that happened); it would require exceptionally thoughtful people to dissuade your concerns in those conditions. You also may have caught people who had foregone sleep or were stressed due to factors in group or life circumstances; there's just really too many things that could add to the reasons for these responses/behaviors (Not that these justify the behavior, but it's an explanation for them. It shows the intent behind the person and shines light on the purpose behind their actions).

I've had a generally positive experience with this game/shard. I keep in mind people will be people. I may catch them on a rough day; they're not required to go out of their way to be kind/nice to me online and that's okay. In my 40+ hours on this shard since launch, I've not met anyone who is intentionally out to get me or means ill-will. I've had people leave group due to concerns with the group or general unhappiness with it and that's perfectly okay. They want to have fun and they feel like it's being impacted in a way they can remedy it. Don't take instances like the above to heart; it sounds like you were stressed and trying your best and that's all you can do. At the end of the day, it's just a game and you're trying to have fun in some way; that's important to keep in mind.

You were pretty spot-on. Thank you. I attempted to delete post and it wouldn't. I've changed the title, I hope no one takes this as me having just bad experiences. Ive certainly had good experiences and look forward to many more.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 9:42 PM by SpoonyBard

I think the typical person coming to this would just see you were part of an unfortunate series of events that lead to a poor outcome for you.

Don't stress it and waste any more energy over the matter

Wed 16 Jan 2019 9:55 PM by vistrix

"6 levels gained in an hour and a half of grind"

This tells me you are low level.

Most mmo games have a lot of trash players at low levels, because they have no idea how to play the game. You probably wont see much of that higher up the ladder.

Now, if you are truly bad at playing the responsibilities of your class, then you should expect some blow black, as the game is centered around team work, especially in rvr.

Wed 16 Jan 2019 10:13 PM by Mac

Joining a PUG (Pick U Group) is always risky. Some will be great and some will be awefull. I've been playing DAoC almost non stop since the closed beta in 2000. From those years of experiebce, let me offer some advice. Join a guild and mostly play in groups of guild mates and alliance mates. If they notice that you can use some coaching, they will give you advice on how to improve instead of blaming you for wipes.

Thu 17 Jan 2019 12:44 PM by UnknownAssailant

A few persons who have become too pro at this game have come to expect nothing less than perfection from each group member every single time. This is an unrealistic expectation, and it contributes to chasing new players away from this game. An aggressive defensive personality style and MMOGs do not mix well. Identify who they are and stay clear of them, and know that they are looking at this game as a Task rather than entertainment so you are the one who wins in the end.

Thu 17 Jan 2019 1:23 PM by Renork

A little silly to make a thread like this after claiming to have played a game with a massive toxic playerbase... especially after one bad incident, in which you still gained 6 levels. I could understand making a thread like this if you played for a couple of weeks and kept running into "elitist" groups; however, that is not the case.

If you have become too sensitive, you probably should take a break from online gaming.

Thu 17 Jan 2019 1:32 PM by WyandVoidbringer

I have been super impressed with the community thus far in my limited play time. All the chat channels are full of people answering questions and giving helpful advice.

I've not seen one, "git gud" answer yet.

It really does remind me of the old-school MMO communities from back when these sorts of games were new.

It makes me feel like I'm a part of something, which is what every modern MMO woefully lacks.

Thu 17 Jan 2019 2:06 PM by Bethoc

90% are relatively mature adults, and 10% are bitter manchildren who haven't grown in any capacity besides physical width since 2001 and put their extremely valuable time at a premium despite having done nothing whatsoever with their lives. Furthermore, they are experts at this game and have invested all of their heart, soul, pride, and self-worth into that fact. Thus, your blatant inefficiency is an offense of the highest order.

My rough approximation of the DAoC population. In seriousness, remember the names of the especially nasty ones and avoid them like the plague. It's rare that you'll be forced to endure them, so long as they aren't guildmates. It's also somewhat common to have one insufferable player in a group who insists that everything be done just so. They can be safely ignored in most cases, without an escalation beyond disagreement, though you should search for a replacement before their inevitable rage quit.

Thu 17 Jan 2019 3:54 PM by randomeclipse

95% positive for me so-far, probably more 98% even!

Thu 17 Jan 2019 4:22 PM by Kralin

randomeclipse wrote: ↑
Thu 17 Jan 2019 3:54 PM
95% positive for me so-far, probably more 98% even!

With a profile pic as handsome as yours, I don't see how anyone could be negative towards you!

Mon 28 Jan 2019 6:06 AM by rubaduck

Toxicity shouldn't be allowed, but there is a fine line between toxicity in League of Legends and toxicity in DaoC. I know this just as well because I have played LoL for a very long time but also Daoc since launch.

You find assholes everywhere, and you will encounter more of them. Find a nice guild, get to know them and do like me, write a list of people you don't like and just don't allow them to be a part of any group you are participating in. Giving the cold shoulder to assholes are the best anti-troll you can do because eventually they'll realize they're the asshole

Right.. W.. and S... and H... RIGHT?

Tue 29 Jan 2019 12:32 PM by dudis

Eh, I actually sort of "yelled" at a tank we had in a bomb group for not using guard/protect on the correct targets even after us asking him nicely for half an hour. He never replied or did as we asked, but kept writing weird messages in chat.

After I told im off, he asked me to chill and smoke some weed -,-