Logitech G600 Macro Paladin Chant

So i did some reading what is allowed and what not. After that i created a macro on my G600 and associated to a profile for Phoenix Daoc but its not working ingame.
I think its an issue that the profile isnt loaded when the game starts or maybe something else.

Here are some screenshots on what i did:

Macro:

Profile:

Buttonbindings:

Maybe any of you smart and nice guys can help an old lad out?

Sun 28 Apr 2019 12:54 PM by Lerox

You have to chose the game.dll file located in (Electronic Arts\Dark Age of Camelot\game.dll) then the profile should load when you active window is daoc.

Sun 28 Apr 2019 12:56 PM by Halma

Not at Home to test but shouldn't it be bound to the game.dll rather than to the exe files?
Just a shot in the dark

Sun 28 Apr 2019 1:24 PM by cfleck1980

Thanks for the hint concerning the dll. I modified it but now when i press the bound key my char is toggling attack mode :-P

Sun 28 Apr 2019 3:36 PM by Boltman

cfleck1980 wrote: ↑
Sun 28 Apr 2019 1:24 PM
Thanks for the hint concerning the dll. I modified it but now when i press the bound key my char is toggling attack mode :-P

Make sure your chants are on the right hotbar, sounds like it is hitting a hotbar with your attack icon in slot 1.

Sun 28 Apr 2019 3:56 PM by lurker

I don’t know about your macro tool.

But I know with AHK you can not reliably use the Alt & Ctrl hot bars due to the fact the Alt down and the further key presses are processed instantly (pretty much) and the game will not always recognise the Alt down before it hits the next keys and alt up again.

You can make it work in AHK by using a minor sleep: alt down, sleep 100 ms, press 1. However this is against the rules. So you effectively have to bind all these keys to other normal keys you are not using (using in game qbind) and then press those rather than relying on Alt 1, Alt 2 etc.

Maybe similar for you? Who knows.

Sun 28 Apr 2019 5:25 PM by De Kus

My paladin chant macro in the Logitech gaming software looks like this attached. The delays where necessary. 20ms is fine for my PC, slower PCs might higher (20ms = 50fps) delays high end PCs running without vsync might be able to set lower.

Sun 28 Apr 2019 6:17 PM by Teehehe

just a fyi they said no delays...

Mon 29 Apr 2019 8:04 AM by Sepplord

De Kus wrote: ↑
Sun 28 Apr 2019 5:25 PM
My paladin chant macro in the Logitech gaming software looks like this attached. The delays where necessary. 20ms is fine for my PC, slower PCs might higher (20ms = 50fps) delays high end PCs running without vsync might be able to set lower.

That's against the rules, so hopefully this is your paladin-macro for your live-paladin

5. Macroing
It is allowed to bind multiple actions to a key, however, delays, repeats, and conditionsare strictly forbidden as well as any other means that allow unattended game-play
1st offense: Deletion of all characters and 2-weeks ban
2nd offense: permaban of Player

Mon 29 Apr 2019 9:24 AM by Der_Eisbaer

I read this a bit differently:

They are writing "[...]any other means that allow unattended game-play"

So logically everything mentioned before that, namely "delays, repeats, and conditions" are to be deemed strictly forbidden only when they are used as means that allow unattended game-play.

However, this is only my interpretation. It would be nice to get a clarification from GMs here:

Can I use small delays in my macro when I need to "fool" my computer AND when my macro is not used for unattended game-play?

Mon 29 Apr 2019 10:41 AM by Teehehe

they said no ill try to find the thread

Mon 29 Apr 2019 11:15 AM by Halma

Teehehe wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 10:41 AM
they said no ill try to find the thread

https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?p=53704#p53704

Maybe this one.
The chant macro above is not allowed (technically) because of the delays (if the delay is 20 or 500ms doesn't matter).
This macro should work without delays in the first place but I wouldn't expect the devs to distinguish between "macro with delays" and "macro with delays which could be done without, so it's fine".

Mon 29 Apr 2019 6:23 PM by De Kus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 8:04 AM
That's against the rules, so hopefully this is your paladin-macro for your live-paladin

5. Macroing
It is allowed to bind multiple actions to a key, however, delays, repeats, and conditionsare strictly forbidden as well as any other means that allow unattended game-play
1st offense: Deletion of all characters and 2-weeks ban
2nd offense: permaban of Player

No, it's the macro for my Phoenix Paladin:
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?p=30938#p30938

Mon 29 Apr 2019 7:06 PM by Roto23

cfleck1980 wrote: ↑
Sun 28 Apr 2019 12:32 PM
So i did some reading what is allowed and what not. After that i created a macro on my G600 and associated to a profile for Phoenix Daoc but its not working ingame.
I think its an issue that the profile isnt loaded when the game starts or maybe something else.

Here are some screenshots on what i did:

Macro:

Profile:

Buttonbindings:

Maybe any of you smart and nice guys can help an old lad out?

I know how you can get this to work. I had a similar problem using an ALT in a macro in my Nostromo software. Here is what you need to do.
Assuming ALT is the qbar with your chants, make 4 new qbinds. Example: qbind F1 to slot 1 on your ALT bar, qbind F2 to slot 2 on your ALT bar, qbind F3 to slot 3 on your ALT bar, qbind F4 to slot 4 on your ALT bar. If F1, F2, F3 or F4 are used, find and use any other unused key.

Then in your mouse software just record F1 Down, F1 Up, and repeat these for F2, F3 and F4.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 7:13 PM by Roto23

De Kus wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 6:23 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 8:04 AM
That's against the rules, so hopefully this is your paladin-macro for your live-paladin

5. Macroing
It is allowed to bind multiple actions to a key, however, delays, repeats, and conditionsare strictly forbidden as well as any other means that allow unattended game-play
1st offense: Deletion of all characters and 2-weeks ban
2nd offense: permaban of Player
No, it's the macro for my Phoenix Paladin:
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?p=30938#p30938

De Kus you can get your macro to work without delays by qbind-ing the slots on your ALT bar to unused keys on your keyboard and then writing your mouse macro to hit the qbinded keys.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 7:58 PM by cfleck1980

i will try that Roco, thank you.

Tue 30 Apr 2019 7:00 AM by Sepplord

De Kus wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 6:23 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 8:04 AM
That's against the rules, so hopefully this is your paladin-macro for your live-paladin

5. Macroing
It is allowed to bind multiple actions to a key, however, delays, repeats, and conditionsare strictly forbidden as well as any other means that allow unattended game-play
1st offense: Deletion of all characters and 2-weeks ban
2nd offense: permaban of Player
No, it's the macro for my Phoenix Paladin:
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?p=30938#p30938

The comment you linked said: get creative and change your macro to work without delays...for example not utilizing only keypress down, but also key-release as to seperate inputs that do different things.
You didn't do anything in that direction though, so the macro techincally still is breaking the rules.

Don't get me wrong, i don't think anyone should get banned for using a macro that does an allowed thing just because the macro included a disallowed delay...but i am not the decisionmaker and would personally not use anything that could be seen as a violation of the rules.

Tue 30 Apr 2019 2:03 PM by Amp_Phetamine

Freaking Anarchy out here...

Tue 30 Apr 2019 2:05 PM by Roto23

cfleck1980 wrote: ↑
Mon 29 Apr 2019 7:58 PM
i will try that Roco, thank you.

you're welcome, but it's Roto, not Roco!