Crafting and salvaging - Phoenix Freeshard

I recently rolled a level 1 bonedancer and tried crafting to see about trinketing. I killed a few low level mobs and got some loot. It said I couldn't salvage the items b/c I didn't have enough skill (rowan staves). So, I went into Jord and tried to start up on the basic crafting skills (wood, leather, metal and cloth). It would let me craft them, but I didn't raise a single skill level in any of them. So, I tried fletching (to level as many basic skills as possible). That got me to 10 wood, metal and leather. I went back out and killed a couple more skeletons outside Jord until I got a rowan staff drop. It still wouldn't let me salvage it. Am I doing something wrong? Will I be able to craft the basic skill for trinketing at some point?

Thanks in advance for any response.

Fri 16 Nov 2018 5:28 PM by Mura

I don't remember the actual breakpoints, but it sounds like your woodworking isn't high enough to salvage the staves yet.

Try pushing your WW skill up some more and see if that allows you to salvage.

My personal rule of thumb to keep my tradeskills caught up is you want to have 25 skill per character level.

So if it's a level 10 stave, 250 skill should be more than enough, in theory.

Fri 16 Nov 2018 5:48 PM by romulus

Hi Bwaha & Mura!

I'm not sure if the formula has been tweaked on Phoenix, but the original DOL code (Salvage.cs) specifically checks to make sure your material skill is greater than 75% of the skill necessary to craft the item. So if you are salvaging an oaken staff that would normally require 100 Woodworking to craft, you will require at least 76 Woodworking to salvage it.

Also, the higher your material skill, the more salvage is produced, though ROGs have an artificially lowered salvage value.

if (player.GetCraftingSkillValue(skill) < (0.75 * CraftingMgr.GetItemCraftLevel(item)))
{
    player.Out.SendMessage(LanguageMgr.GetTranslation(player.Client.Account.Language, "Salvage.IsAllowedToBeginWork.NotEnoughSkill", item.Name), eChatType.CT_System, eChatLoc.CL_SystemWindow);
    return false;
}

Fri 16 Nov 2018 6:16 PM by Bwaha

Thanks for the replies. I am trying to salvage the lowest wood there is...rowan. I have always found that if I can use it in crafting, I could salvage it. I can use rowan in crafting, but not to salvage. This is a level 3 toon...the drops he gets are the lowest materials in the game.

Fri 16 Nov 2018 6:29 PM by romulus

Hi again!
According to Allakhazam, the rowan staff requires a tradeskill of 35 to craft (http://camelot.allakhazam.com/recipe.html?crecipe=3041), so it follows that to salvage a rowan staff would require (35 * 0.75) = 26.25 = 27 woodworking, assuming nothing has been tweaked from baselines. Get a little more woodworking and test it out!

Fri 16 Nov 2018 8:07 PM by Bwaha

Okay, no, that didn't work either. I now have my woodworking, metalworking and leatherworking all up to 34. I still can't salvage a rowan staff drop. It did let me salvage a dagger I just made. Additionally, when I craft breadboxes, or whistles, or dolls to try and raise my tertiary skills of woodworking, metal working, etc. I get no raising of that skill. Also, I took my fletching up to 31 skill as well...still can't salvage that dang rowan wood staff drop.

Fri 16 Nov 2018 9:17 PM by romulus

I suspect that the skill requirement for the ROG staff is higher than the listed requirement for a crafted staff.
Also, it is usually better to skill up your trade skill (fletching, armorcrafting, weaponcrafting, etc.) which will also skill up your material skills (woodworking, metalworking, clothworking, etc.) For fletching, make lots and lots of arrows: the non-blunts will level metalworking and woodworking. You might need to do about 100 points of metalworking in weaponcrafting to be able to make the metal-tipped arrows, though. You should be able to get 500 material skills for around 50-75gp and about an hour of effort. At that level, you should be good until late-game crafting. IIRC 500 is also around the level needed to repair keep doors using woodworking.

Good luck!

Sat 17 Nov 2018 2:24 AM by Sepplord

Hijacking the thread a little bit, but I think this might also be relevant for OP:

What is the best way on phoenix to level the tradeskills up so everything is salvageable in the end?

I don't remember the specifics, but on normal daoc you would level one skill and save fletching for the later levels, because it is cheap and easy and can boost all secondaries to higher levels, instead of doing it with a much more expensive skill.
My memory is really blurry, so could someone give a small rundown how to proceed with crafting&skilling to get everything up to trinketable levels quite fast?

Sat 17 Nov 2018 2:51 AM by Cadebrennus

Armor crafting is excellent for leveling multiple skills at once, and you can primarily stick with gloves/boots which require very little in the way of materials to make. Stick with reinforced/studded