2021-05-08 Saturday

Started 8 May 2021
by Uthred
in News
Sat 8 May 2021 10:58 AM by Uthred
#161555
Any changes to brackets/premades have been removed. It will be the same setting as the last event.
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Sat 8 May 2021 8:32 PM by Sagz
#161583
Uthred wrote:
Sat 8 May 2021 10:58 AM
Playing Field Event only changes:
- the rr5 bracket has been removed
- auto groups are now all or nothing, you can no longer invite some people and have the rest filled up
- the 49-50 bracket is now split between auto groups and normal groups / player with auto grouping disabled

So if you are in a premade, and someone LDs does it disband the group?

Also, if you are playing with 2 of your friends, you are forced to not play with them? Some people help out friends by playing a heal/buff class so they can level something to speed it up and so you are not stuck with 2 stealthers and 2 dps. Nothing worse than making a caster, and the rest of your group is a NS, hunter, thane, armsman this now doubled with you cannot play with your friend if you are a duo. At least if your friend made a buff class you could group with him, fill the rest and enjoy it.

Can you group 3 people only? and not fill the rest? or is it 5 or nothing?

This will actually make the complainers about premade groups complain even more, as noone makes a heal class to help randoms, mainly 99% of them are made to help friends.
Sat 8 May 2021 9:00 PM by ExcretusMaximus
#161584
All it means is you can't use autogroup to fill the remaining spots in a premade, which only worked about half the time anyway. You can still advertise and add random people who want into your group. And no, groups don't disband on an LD.
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Sat 8 May 2021 9:13 PM by Sagz
#161586
I kinda of assumed that, but then again, you never know. It was just the wording of All or Nothing sounds like 5 or 0.
Sat 8 May 2021 9:15 PM by Uthred
#161587
After the reboot any changes to brackets/premades have been removed. It will be the same setting as the last event.
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Sat 8 May 2021 10:06 PM by gotwqqd
#161591
I was digging the ability to do something without premades.
But the area seemed to be missing enough bodies to fill groups auto
Sun 9 May 2021 3:30 AM by Student_Nurse
#161600
I understand people want to play with their friends but putting premades in the same category with pugs totally ruins the event for people that do pug. In many games, if you pug, it puts you against other players that are also pugging and if you are in a premade then it only puts you against other premades. This makes the playing field even. Premades have a significant advantage over pugs. As of right now, healers often do not pug and stealth classes are almost never wanted in groups unless it is a full stealth group. Having 5 random classes against a premade with CC, speed and heals is only fun for those that are in the premade. I've noticed that when people do complain about having so many premades at 50, there are those that are quick to tell them to stop complaining and go make a premade. This is not a solution. When the premades were put in their own bracket, people didn't tell them to stop complaining and go form a pug. In the current state of the event, it feels like you are pressuring people to form a premade or get rolled over repeatably for pugging. If you wanted to force people to make a premade, then make it mandatory that people have to form their own groups before they can port. This will force people to make a premade in order to have a chance to compete. If you want to provide a fun playing experience for everyone, then what is the problem with putting pugs in their own category at least at level 50? If a group of 2 or 3 friends want to play together, they can still invite 2 random people to fill their group in order to form a premade. Rolling pugs is fun for only the people in the premades but it is very frustrating to play for those that do pug.

Another solution would be to give puggers (at least at level 50) an adequate boost in the amount of rps or xp that they get to make up for the amount of times they will get rolled over by premades. Or you could even boost their stats if they have a bad class composition for their pug. Giving a boost for playing with a bad class composition would possibly fix everything. If you have group with cc, heals and speed against a group with 5 dps, then give the group with the 5 dps a slight boost to make up the difference. There are solutions to help make the playing field more fair. You just have to be open to them.
Sun 9 May 2021 4:32 AM by Smricha1
#161601
Agreed. Premades shouldn’t be a part of this event. Ruins the fun
Sun 9 May 2021 5:53 AM by ExcretusMaximus
#161604
It's an MMO, make some friends, or put a whole fine minutes into forming a group of your own.

If you're too lazy to form up a group from the literal dozens of players looking, then you don't deserve to compete with those that take the time to do so.
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Sun 9 May 2021 3:10 PM by Sagz
#161617
Student_Nurse wrote:
Sun 9 May 2021 3:30 AM
I understand people want to play with their friends but putting premades in the same category with pugs totally ruins the event for people that do pug. In many games, if you pug, it puts you against other players that are also pugging and if you are in a premade then it only puts you against other premades. This makes the playing field even. Premades have a significant advantage over pugs. As of right now, healers often do not pug and stealth classes are almost never wanted in groups unless it is a full stealth group. Having 5 random classes against a premade with CC, speed and heals is only fun for those that are in the premade. I've noticed that when people do complain about having so many premades at 50, there are those that are quick to tell them to stop complaining and go make a premade. This is not a solution. When the premades were put in their own bracket, people didn't tell them to stop complaining and go form a pug. In the current state of the event, it feels like you are pressuring people to form a premade or get rolled over repeatably for pugging. If you wanted to force people to make a premade, then make it mandatory that people have to form their own groups before they can port. This will force people to make a premade in order to have a chance to compete. If you want to provide a fun playing experience for everyone, then what is the problem with putting pugs in their own category at least at level 50? If a group of 2 or 3 friends want to play together, they can still invite 2 random people to fill their group in order to form a premade. Rolling pugs is fun for only the people in the premades but it is very frustrating to play for those that do pug.

Another solution would be to give puggers (at least at level 50) an adequate boost in the amount of rps or xp that they get to make up for the amount of times they will get rolled over by premades. Or you could even boost their stats if they have a bad class composition for their pug. Giving a boost for playing with a bad class composition would possibly fix everything. If you have group with cc, heals and speed against a group with 5 dps, then give the group with the 5 dps a slight boost to make up the difference. There are solutions to help make the playing field more fair. You just have to be open to them.

Great idea, and in frontier RVR there should be a separate zone for the BGs to compete against each other, and a separate zone for 8 mans, separate zones for 2, 3 , 4 , 5, 6, 7 mans. And definitely a solo zone. Hell while we are at it, lets just make everything instanced battlegrounds where you can que up to play and it will start when everything is exactly even. Sounds fun to me.

But seriously, what you want is NOT this game, go play another game instead of trying to make a game adjust to you. There are people all day spamming looking for more people to pug with to form a premade, the problem is 80% (if not more) want to do what they want to do, and do not make a support class or a CC class, they want to be dps. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Suck it up cupcake, build a group or just run around and tag everything before you die and wait till they die to release, you get the same XP no matter what, that is your boost, you do not have to do more dps to get more xp or rps.

If you try building groups now, you may find people you have fun playing with, and them form up at 50 for Frontier. It kinda a stepping zone. There are more premades than you think, just there is a difference in region pugs without discord, region pugs with discord, and guild mates who are in discord and play together regularly, and some groups want to all play casters or tanks and no CC or healing or support, and complain they are losing to a reasonably balanced group.

And remember it is not the premades that ruin it, its the solos that try to have the rules changed for them, in a MMO.

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