Every stat I’ve read or seen, or through frequent checks on /server info or /realm task over the past month indicate that Albion has the worst (by far) participation in RVR.
Why is this?
Why is this?
Why is Alb participation in RVR the worst?
Started 16 Feb 2019
by
worldknown
in
RvR
Sat 16 Feb 2019 3:03 PM
by
Zansobar
Necromancers, Paladins, Friars...
Sat 16 Feb 2019 10:45 PM
by
Luluko
worldknown wrote: ↑Sat 16 Feb 2019 2:51 PMEvery stat I’ve read or seen, or through frequent checks on /server info or /realm task over the past month indicate that Albion has the worst (by far) participation in RVR.
Why is this?
There are plenty of reasons you really need a minst or sorc and something with heal, and only then you can think about leaving the pk. None of those classes level easy or fast except friar maybe but who speccs heal with that.... Then you prlly have lots of infis/reavers which wanted to nice 1vs1 people with their op abilities but they always get zerged so they are probably lfg a lot but they are useless in most grps or only get social places the same as paly which is also pretty weak here. End of the story is probably only those people with enough friends which only leveled classes they want to play in rvr which are viable will probably have a decent chance at all in rvr and even then you have to sitecar a lot of other grps if you go into the zerg areas. Could also be that some people saw this and rerolled mid/hib or level a useful toon for rvr now. And then you have ofc all those which are too afraid of rvr and they rather pve and get filfthy rich.
Sat 16 Feb 2019 11:19 PM
by
sprinkle
albs dominating hib all day
Sun 17 Feb 2019 5:36 AM
by
Ardri
Mid is the mongoloid melee, easy to form groups, easy to zerg realm.
Hib is the stun casting, shroom placing, camp a milegate or keep, easy to zerg realm.
Alb is just a bunch of individual 8mans who would rather whine 24/7 about getting zerged than group up realm.
Some things just never change.
Hib is the stun casting, shroom placing, camp a milegate or keep, easy to zerg realm.
Alb is just a bunch of individual 8mans who would rather whine 24/7 about getting zerged than group up realm.
Some things just never change.
Sun 17 Feb 2019 9:09 AM
by
dansari
Ardri wrote: ↑Sun 17 Feb 2019 5:36 AMMid is the mongoloid melee, easy to form groups, easy to zerg realm.
Hib is the stun casting, shroom placing, camp a milegate or keep, easy to zerg realm.
Alb is just a bunch of individual 8mans who would rather whine 24/7 about getting zerged than group up realm.
Some things just never change.
alb caster zergs nasty tho
Sun 17 Feb 2019 1:27 PM
by
relvinian
Ask not what your realm can do for you, ask for what you can do for your realm.
Actually no, Albs are selfish, egotistical, elitist, snobs. Who preach conformity as a virtue.
Actually no, Albs are selfish, egotistical, elitist, snobs. Who preach conformity as a virtue.
Mon 18 Feb 2019 2:57 AM
by
Frieza
after playing alb rvr for a few weeks now, unfortunately its mostly true.
I see a merc lvl 50, templated to heck, whilst i was running a 7/8, only needing a tank to complete. Hib had an 8man out, and this merc would prefer to solo and get rolled over and over and over (by the hib 8man) instead of joining us and having a real chance at taking on the hibs. I understand everyone likes to play their own game, but in a lot of cases with rvr and alb, its what the individual wants, not whats good for the realm.
I group everyone, and normally say its a fun group (often run without healers as theyre rare and normally not rdy to go anyway), and we do great, but some collectivization and friendliness would go a long way in Alb.
In saying that, Alb is by far the easiest realm to run zergs and win. Havent quite figured out why yes, maybe is the dds, maybe the long range mezzes, who knows, but having 20+ albs typically rolls mids/ hibs of the same size very easy (even if not organised).
I see a merc lvl 50, templated to heck, whilst i was running a 7/8, only needing a tank to complete. Hib had an 8man out, and this merc would prefer to solo and get rolled over and over and over (by the hib 8man) instead of joining us and having a real chance at taking on the hibs. I understand everyone likes to play their own game, but in a lot of cases with rvr and alb, its what the individual wants, not whats good for the realm.
I group everyone, and normally say its a fun group (often run without healers as theyre rare and normally not rdy to go anyway), and we do great, but some collectivization and friendliness would go a long way in Alb.
In saying that, Alb is by far the easiest realm to run zergs and win. Havent quite figured out why yes, maybe is the dds, maybe the long range mezzes, who knows, but having 20+ albs typically rolls mids/ hibs of the same size very easy (even if not organised).
Mon 18 Feb 2019 6:49 AM
by
imamo
realm wise, alb has no popular guilds/players to lead.
i have seen many successful mid push at amg with 100+ ppl jumping through wall simultaneously, currently its not possible as alb. realm has so many solos and have lesser self esteem at rvr. they ve been bashed for more than a month, never had df, got their relic taken, left behind at herald etc. and they slowly start to make progress at rvr. things will change soon i guess.
group wise, almost every thing above applies here. in addition to that alb lost time with leveling pve and out of meta chars. no need to say leveling alb is harder comparing to other realms. leveling merc, arms is even harder due to lacking of melee leveling groups. almost every leveling groups consist of bomber, healer 1 tank.
ppl start with money maker toon like necro, friar, reaver to farm. wise start right? it turned out you no need traditional farming here, attend a sidi raid and sell your feather for 1-2 plat. easy. ppl start thinking what would they do with their friar, necro.
giving det and other qol changes to friar made is appealing at start and many ppl started with it. later that those tweaks couldnt made it favored among players and most people left playing friar including me. it was possible to get rvr group back in a days when alb had few clerics, 1 month ago but currently not possible.
one of most favored class paladins (improvements with endu range) had lotta potential at start but it became less wanted at groups and paladins started making another char. i cant blame them, i would pick merc as guard instead of pala.
he have more wizzies than we need. bomb leveling is best and easiest for casulas and they all abandoned their main and leveled a wizzie. its kinda useless at rvr and zerg. dont come to me with earth line or aoe spell. it'is still useless, level a sorc or caba.
most essential character of an alb group was almost too rare to get one, which is cleric. alb was lacking cleric badly for last 1-2 month after launch.
alb lacking sorc (qcast mezz with bolt range c'mon!). at start we all would think you can make sorc to get invited right? ppl would like to have you, beg you for your sweet pom, right? NO. tinderboxes, 10 min cheap potions, great serenity, no %50 penalty, minstrels, necro batteries.... sorcs pushed back in line and alb had fewer sorc that needed to success at rvr.
theurs are theurs. alb has very very rare melee leveling groups so who would need a theur? leveling theur with group is nearly impossible. leveling solo aint great and takes time. at rvr its game changer at right hands but i dont see groups with theurs at rvr.
i have seen many successful mid push at amg with 100+ ppl jumping through wall simultaneously, currently its not possible as alb. realm has so many solos and have lesser self esteem at rvr. they ve been bashed for more than a month, never had df, got their relic taken, left behind at herald etc. and they slowly start to make progress at rvr. things will change soon i guess.
group wise, almost every thing above applies here. in addition to that alb lost time with leveling pve and out of meta chars. no need to say leveling alb is harder comparing to other realms. leveling merc, arms is even harder due to lacking of melee leveling groups. almost every leveling groups consist of bomber, healer 1 tank.
ppl start with money maker toon like necro, friar, reaver to farm. wise start right? it turned out you no need traditional farming here, attend a sidi raid and sell your feather for 1-2 plat. easy. ppl start thinking what would they do with their friar, necro.
giving det and other qol changes to friar made is appealing at start and many ppl started with it. later that those tweaks couldnt made it favored among players and most people left playing friar including me. it was possible to get rvr group back in a days when alb had few clerics, 1 month ago but currently not possible.
one of most favored class paladins (improvements with endu range) had lotta potential at start but it became less wanted at groups and paladins started making another char. i cant blame them, i would pick merc as guard instead of pala.
he have more wizzies than we need. bomb leveling is best and easiest for casulas and they all abandoned their main and leveled a wizzie. its kinda useless at rvr and zerg. dont come to me with earth line or aoe spell. it'is still useless, level a sorc or caba.
most essential character of an alb group was almost too rare to get one, which is cleric. alb was lacking cleric badly for last 1-2 month after launch.
alb lacking sorc (qcast mezz with bolt range c'mon!). at start we all would think you can make sorc to get invited right? ppl would like to have you, beg you for your sweet pom, right? NO. tinderboxes, 10 min cheap potions, great serenity, no %50 penalty, minstrels, necro batteries.... sorcs pushed back in line and alb had fewer sorc that needed to success at rvr.
theurs are theurs. alb has very very rare melee leveling groups so who would need a theur? leveling theur with group is nearly impossible. leveling solo aint great and takes time. at rvr its game changer at right hands but i dont see groups with theurs at rvr.
Mon 18 Feb 2019 9:40 AM
by
Sepplord
good write up, just one thing i want to add about the farming aspect:
Too many people are starting to do that, but it is only saturating the already full market. The plat's still have to be farmed first by someone, otherwise they aren't in the economy.
having a lot of farmers in your realm inflates the economy pricing, but also opens people up to make money with different "services" (crafting / feather-trades / PLing / etc... )
sell your feather for 1-2 plat.
Too many people are starting to do that, but it is only saturating the already full market. The plat's still have to be farmed first by someone, otherwise they aren't in the economy.
having a lot of farmers in your realm inflates the economy pricing, but also opens people up to make money with different "services" (crafting / feather-trades / PLing / etc... )
Mon 18 Feb 2019 9:55 AM
by
pax
Well almost my point of view expect for:imamo wrote: ↑Mon 18 Feb 2019 6:49 AMrealm wise, alb has no popular guilds/players to lead.
i have seen many successful mid push at amg with 100+ ppl jumping through wall simultaneously, currently its not possible as alb. realm has so many solos and have lesser self esteem at rvr. they ve been bashed for more than a month, never had df, got their relic taken, left behind at herald etc. and they slowly start to make progress at rvr. things will change soon i guess.
group wise, almost every thing above applies here. in addition to that alb lost time with leveling pve and out of meta chars. no need to say leveling alb is harder comparing to other realms. leveling merc, arms is even harder due to lacking of melee leveling groups. almost every leveling groups consist of bomber, healer 1 tank.
ppl start with money maker toon like necro, friar, reaver to farm. wise start right? it turned out you no need traditional farming here, attend a sidi raid and sell your feather for 1-2 plat. easy. ppl start thinking what would they do with their friar, necro.
giving det and other qol changes to friar made is appealing at start and many ppl started with it. later that those tweaks couldnt made it favored among players and most people left playing friar including me. it was possible to get rvr group back in a days when alb had few clerics, 1 month ago but currently not possible.
one of most favored class paladins (improvements with endu range) had lotta potential at start but it became less wanted at groups and paladins started making another char. i cant blame them, i would pick merc as guard instead of pala.
he have more wizzies than we need. bomb leveling is best and easiest for casulas and they all abandoned their main and leveled a wizzie. its kinda useless at rvr and zerg. dont come to me with earth line or aoe spell. it'is still useless, level a sorc or caba.
most essential character of an alb group was almost too rare to get one, which is cleric. alb was lacking cleric badly for last 1-2 month after launch.
alb lacking sorc (qcast mezz with bolt range c'mon!). at start we all would think you can make sorc to get invited right? ppl would like to have you, beg you for your sweet pom, right? NO. tinderboxes, 10 min cheap potions, great serenity, no %50 penalty, minstrels, necro batteries.... sorcs pushed back in line and alb had fewer sorc that needed to success at rvr.
theurs are theurs. alb has very very rare melee leveling groups so who would need a theur? leveling theur with group is nearly impossible. leveling solo aint great and takes time. at rvr its game changer at right hands but i dont see groups with theurs at rvr.
- Oversaturation and not lack of minstrels, easy to level in solo
- If you check rps of last 48h there is a wizzard on top of that, that do a ton of crazy aoe damage with big zerg numbers, and thats almost every evening fights.
- I dont see why sorc are less welcomed, pom is working during run\combat not like tinderbox, and aoe mezz is gamebreaking
Mon 18 Feb 2019 2:45 PM
by
tsnake57
I played a Sorc on live, so when i started here I jumped right into that. Sorcs were such high demand back then for pom and cc. Now every xp group is pbae and sorcs aren't wanted in groups. Everyone wants one in their RvR group though... but nobody wants to help them level. Soloing with a sorc is just not great, so I jumped ship and went Healer on Mid.
In general, i think most Albs just would rather PvE. There was never any effort to take keeps or anything. Everyone just wanted to do Sidi raids and level alts.
In general, i think most Albs just would rather PvE. There was never any effort to take keeps or anything. Everyone just wanted to do Sidi raids and level alts.
Mon 18 Feb 2019 3:08 PM
by
Sepplord
Soloing on a sorc is almost as good as it gets for soloing ^^
Besides that i understand the problem and you can also feel it in midgard
PBAOE is just far too strong in XP-PvE, it blows ANY other source of damage completely out of the water. And there is no real "fix" to it without gimping PBAOE completely
Besides that i understand the problem and you can also feel it in midgard
PBAOE is just far too strong in XP-PvE, it blows ANY other source of damage completely out of the water. And there is no real "fix" to it without gimping PBAOE completely
Tue 19 Feb 2019 12:48 AM
by
suicide19
If a person wanted to join Albion to help improve RvR, what class should he choose? Keep in mind that person wants to RvR in almost any form, he just does not want to sit at Border keeps or in Portal Keeps LFG all day. List top 3 choices please 
Tue 19 Feb 2019 1:59 AM
by
kedelin
my choice would be sorc, thug, cabby cleric minssuicide19 wrote: ↑Tue 19 Feb 2019 12:48 AMIf a person wanted to join Albion to help improve RvR, what class should he choose? Keep in mind that person wants to RvR in almost any form, he just does not want to sit at Border keeps or in Portal Keeps LFG all day. List top 3 choices please
Tue 19 Feb 2019 8:13 PM
by
Brokenstring
On Uthgard, Alb was the slowest to get larger scale RvR rolling. There were some good 8 mans early on though. On my old live server Bors, Albs were usually rolled over easily in RvR as they lacked the larger numbers and coordination of Mid.
So my experience, this is usually how Alb is. A lot of solo/individual players are also attracted to Alb due to their historically good solo classes of Minstrel, Sorcerer and Infiltrator. I think this probably also plays into a bit of the reason. Albs have powerful smallmans too with Cabby/Sorc duos and such.
Basically it's easier to be an individual on Alb than other realms I guess.
So my experience, this is usually how Alb is. A lot of solo/individual players are also attracted to Alb due to their historically good solo classes of Minstrel, Sorcerer and Infiltrator. I think this probably also plays into a bit of the reason. Albs have powerful smallmans too with Cabby/Sorc duos and such.
Basically it's easier to be an individual on Alb than other realms I guess.
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