Why do Wardens get determination?

Class is definitely not thane/pala/champ/reaver tier there is 0 reason it gets det with custom heals and cure disease.

Mon 6 Aug 2018 8:02 PM by heardstheword

It's a hybrid class, and all hybrids got it.

Friar gets Det. (Seer/Fighter)
Thane gets Det (Fighter/Caster)
Warden (Seer/Fighter)
Valewalker (Caster/Fighter)

Mon 6 Aug 2018 8:10 PM by daocgod

It doesn't matter, its a custom server. A class that needed no help got a multitude of custom buffs.

Mon 6 Aug 2018 8:11 PM by Quik

It hasn't got the Shield skill which would be the biggest difference maker...your worried about Det?

Mon 6 Aug 2018 9:13 PM by daocgod

cure disease and buffed majors is huge as is. plz don't comment if you are a soloer or are leveling ur 5th animist

Mon 6 Aug 2018 9:18 PM by Quik

Well I can still answer as I have leveled only 1 animist and I don't solo often.

Wardens are fine with Det.

Personally I say give them Shield skill also and I have never even played one.

Tue 7 Aug 2018 3:34 AM by Magesty

daocgod wrote: ↑
Mon 6 Aug 2018 9:13 PM
cure disease and buffed majors is huge as is. plz don't comment if you are a soloer or are leveling ur 5th animist

You are making a lot of claims and dishing out insults, but not really making a point. Do you think these changes make Hib groups imbalanced from an 8v8 perspective? Why? You're bothering to make a thread and revisit it why not actually explain yourself for people who might not see where you are coming from instead of stating facts we all already know like: "they have new heal. they have new cure."

From an outside perspective it seems to me that even the slightest disruption of a ~15 year old "cookie cutter" meta really ruffles some people's feathers. Does Warden maybe being viable really push Hibs that far ahead of the other realms, or does it just upset you that you might have to face different group setups and adapt? I could see why every group having PBT and three more resistance buffs could be a problem, but they are still losing a second set of instas, roots and druid group purge. Also losing out on either the better healing or the better buffs depending on the druid spec. On top of that Det is still not CC immunity by any means.

Tue 7 Aug 2018 12:07 PM by heardstheword

Magesty wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Aug 2018 3:34 AM
You're bothering to make a thread and revisit it why not actually explain yourself for people who might not see where you are coming from instead of stating facts

The loudest people on these forums just want validation that their opinion is correct. Anything otherwise is bashed down with insults rather than any form of reasoning.

Tue 7 Aug 2018 9:25 PM by Zansobar

I'm not an expert in the 8v8 meta, but are these changes really going to make wardens desired in 8v8 groups? I don't see them being over the top at all, and I would still take a druid over a warden any day, but again I'm not an expert. I've also never seen the use of pulsing PBT in 8v8 anyway because if that melee train is on you one bubble every 6 seconds isn't going to do anything, and bubble has no use against full on caster groups. Anyway, I'm no expert but that's the view from the cheap seats.

Tue 7 Aug 2018 9:37 PM by Niix

Zansobar wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Aug 2018 9:25 PM
I'm not an expert in the 8v8 meta, but are these changes really going to make wardens desired in 8v8 groups? I don't see them being over the top at all, and I would still take a druid over a warden any day, but again I'm not an expert. I've also never seen the use of pulsing PBT in 8v8 anyway because if that melee train is on you one bubble every 6 seconds isn't going to do anything, and bubble has no use against full on caster groups. Anyway, I'm no expert but that's the view from the cheap seats.

I prefer Triple Druid or 2 bard 2 groups over warden with or without det changes but it makes them less of a complete handicap so I wouldn’t be upset to see one ever which is probably where they should have always been.

Wed 8 Aug 2018 7:56 PM by Horus

Those complaining about wardens will be unhinged once they feel a few Leviathons whipped into their backside by determination having Reavers...

Unless you are Alb of course

Wed 8 Aug 2018 8:42 PM by Niix

Horus wrote: ↑
Wed 8 Aug 2018 7:56 PM
Those complaining about wardens will be unhinged once they feel a few Leviathons whipped into their backside by determination having Reavers...

Unless you are Alb of course

Organized alb groups going to be dominant imo

Sun 12 Aug 2018 6:46 AM by rubaduck

daocgod wrote: ↑
Mon 6 Aug 2018 9:13 PM
cure disease and buffed majors is huge as is. plz don't comment if you are a soloer or are leveling ur 5th animist

Wow, salty.

The fact is, Warden is a hybrid and hybrids get det here. Excluding Wardens from that classification, just because they also happen to be a support would not be the right way to go to create an environment suited for RvR.