Which Class ? - Phoenix Freeshard

-Which class has to make their own weapons or pay through the nose for good ones every day ?
-Which class is shunned by most groups ?
-Which class has all of the above and no speed or mezz or stun(one class in one of three realms has a stun ability) ?
-Which class attacks with a speed slower than most other classes till later in their development...and when they use that fast attack ,they give up significant damage dealing ?
-Which class has to fail their first attack because some others have blade turn ?
--Which class gives up a key ability.....stealth...as soon as they make their first attack ?
-Which class is not as heavily armored as many mele classes ?
-Which class deals damage (given all the above negatives) that is very average ?

ARCHERS

Mon 11 Feb 2019 5:55 PM by Ashenspire

Shadanwolf wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Feb 2019 5:40 PM
-Which class has to make their own weapons or pay through the nose for good ones every day ?
-Which class is shunned by most groups ?
-Which class has all of the above and no speed or mezz or stun(one class in one of three realms has a stun ability) ?
-Which class attacks with a speed slower than most other classes till later in their development...and when they use that fast attack ,they give up significant damage dealing ?
-Which class has to fail their first attack because some others have blade turn ?
--Which class gives up a key ability.....stealth...as soon as they make their first attack ?
-Which class is not as heavily armored as many mele classes ?
-Which class deals damage (given all the above negatives) that is very average?

None. Arrows aren't expensive.

Thane, Bonedancer, Friar, Wizard, Reaver, Necromancer, Champion, Valewalker, Animists (in rvr).

Every Archer has a stun. 2 out of 3 have a speed spell to run if they need to.

Slow shot timer on Crit Shot is nothing considering you can do it while invisible.

Every physical damage dealer deals with bladeturn other than assassins that land their CS openers.

...are you saying archers should stay stealth while firing? I don't know what you're asking here.

Hunters are as equally armored as their light tanks. Same with rangers. Scouts get shafted.

Anyone that specs poorly in their damage line will do bad damage. Archers aren't alone in this. 300-600 damage per shot isn't bad damage, either.

Mon 11 Feb 2019 5:58 PM by Dimir

Shadanwolf wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Feb 2019 5:40 PM
-Which class has to make their own weapons or pay through the nose for good ones every day ?
-Which class is shunned by most groups ?
-Which class has all of the above and no speed or mezz or stun(one class in one of three realms has a stun ability) ?
-Which class attacks with a speed slower than most other classes till later in their development...and when they use that fast attack ,they give up significant damage dealing ?
-Which class has to fail their first attack because some others have blade turn ?
--Which class gives up a key ability.....stealth...as soon as they make their first attack ?
-Which class is not as heavily armored as many mele classes ?
-Which class deals damage (given all the above negatives) that is very average ?

ARCHERS

In your list of 8 things, 6 of those apply to assassins.

Stun: Side stun (Ranger), Back stun (Hunter), Slam (Scout)

Mon 11 Feb 2019 6:15 PM by Shadanwolf

Ashenspire wrote:
Shadanwolf wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Feb 2019 5:40 PM
-Which class has to make their own weapons or pay through the nose for good ones every day ?
-Which class is shunned by most groups ?
-Which class has all of the above and no speed or mezz or stun(one class in one of three realms has a stun ability) ?
-Which class attacks with a speed slower than most other classes till later in their development...and when they use that fast attack ,they give up significant damage dealing ?
-Which class has to fail their first attack because some others have blade turn ?
--Which class gives up a key ability.....stealth...as soon as they make their first attack ?
-Which class is not as heavily armored as many mele classes ?
-Which class deals damage (given all the above negatives) that is very average?

None. Arrows aren't expensive.

Thane, Bonedancer, Friar, Wizard, Reaver, Necromancer, Champion, Valewalker, Animists (in rvr).

Every Archer has a stun. 2 out of 3 have a speed spell to run if they need to.

Slow shot timer on Crit Shot is nothing considering you can do it while invisible.

Every physical damage dealer deals with bladeturn other than assassins that land their CS openers.

...are you saying archers should stay stealth while firing? I don't know what you're asking here.

Hunters are as equally armored as their light tanks. Same with rangers. Scouts get shafted.

Anyone that specs poorly in their damage line will do bad damage. Archers aren't alone in this. 300-600 damage per shot isn't bad damage, either.

-WHAT A-R-R-O-W STUNS ? (not mele-----> arrow. Archers are called archers for one reason--------they use a bow an arrows. ARCHERY does not entail mele as part of its attack.
-WHAT B-A-S-I-C ARCHER SPEC LINE HAS A SPEED SPELL ?
-TURNBLADE IS ONE OF A PILE OF DEFICITS ARCHERS HAVE TO OVERCOME( just because others have this obstacle does not negate this obstacle for archers)
Archers are just like any other visible after turn blade has negated their reason for stealth and distance... stealthed shot. Their bow speed rarely matches casters casting speed(after they exposed themselves)

Mon 11 Feb 2019 7:40 PM by Ashenspire

Shadanwolf wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Feb 2019 6:15 PM
Ashenspire wrote:
Shadanwolf wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Feb 2019 5:40 PM
-Which class has to make their own weapons or pay through the nose for good ones every day ?
-Which class is shunned by most groups ?
-Which class has all of the above and no speed or mezz or stun(one class in one of three realms has a stun ability) ?
-Which class attacks with a speed slower than most other classes till later in their development...and when they use that fast attack ,they give up significant damage dealing ?
-Which class has to fail their first attack because some others have blade turn ?
--Which class gives up a key ability.....stealth...as soon as they make their first attack ?
-Which class is not as heavily armored as many mele classes ?
-Which class deals damage (given all the above negatives) that is very average?

None. Arrows aren't expensive.

Thane, Bonedancer, Friar, Wizard, Reaver, Necromancer, Champion, Valewalker, Animists (in rvr).

Every Archer has a stun. 2 out of 3 have a speed spell to run if they need to.

Slow shot timer on Crit Shot is nothing considering you can do it while invisible.

Every physical damage dealer deals with bladeturn other than assassins that land their CS openers.

...are you saying archers should stay stealth while firing? I don't know what you're asking here.

Hunters are as equally armored as their light tanks. Same with rangers. Scouts get shafted.

Anyone that specs poorly in their damage line will do bad damage. Archers aren't alone in this. 300-600 damage per shot isn't bad damage, either.

-WHAT A-R-R-O-W STUNS ? (not mele-----> arrow. Archers are called archers for one reason--------they use a bow an arrows. ARCHERY does not entail mele as part of its attack.
-WHAT B-A-S-I-C ARCHER SPEC LINE HAS A SPEED SPELL ?
-TURNBLADE IS ONE OF A PILE OF DEFICITS ARCHERS HAVE TO OVERCOME( just because others have this obstacle does not negate this obstacle for archers)
Archers are just like any other visible after turn blade has negated their reason for stealth and distance... stealthed shot. Their bow speed rarely matches casters casting speed(after they exposed themselves)

Yeah, that's how you get a real discussion going. Move every goal post and start using all caps.

Mon 11 Feb 2019 8:48 PM by Shadanwolf

Naa...It's called exposing the true nature of archery on Phoenix.

Thu 14 Feb 2019 1:18 AM by Dariussdars

Shadanwolf wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Feb 2019 8:48 PM
Naa...It's called exposing the true nature of archery on Phoenix.

Trying to find my stun ability for my Bonedancer.

Quit crying. Use your stealth, use your range, use your self buffs.