The Totem Pole - Phoenix Freeshard

Shortee wrote: ↑
Sun 1 Mar 2020 10:25 PM
If you could organize the classes from highest (strongest) on the totem pole to lowest (weakest)...what would your top 3 and bottom 3 be? exclude RAs please and just assume lvl 50 solo 1v1. I understand game play style will have a factor but just think in general. I am mid only so I don't have enough experience with other classes in other realms but my top 3 would be Minstrels, Bonecancers & Necromancers. My bottom 3 would be Hunter, Scout and not sure what else.

Thanks in advance and please be honest.

would love to know how bard and the other healing classes are better solo (i know some are gimmicky and can win in certain scenarios when speced properly, but i certainly wouldnt call them stronger than the stealth archer classes lol.) than hunters and scouts. once again, your bias is showing.

Mon 2 Mar 2020 2:37 AM by gotwqqd

Bottom of barrel
Scout warden and not sure but I’d pick cleric or bard before hunter

Mon 2 Mar 2020 5:43 AM by daytonchambers

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 2:37 AM
Bottom of barrel
Scout warden and not sure but I’d pick cleric or bard before hunter

In capable hands using pet charm and the rest of their tools a hunter can be an amazing class. Their problem is that if you half-ass the toon (which a majority of players seem to do) then it underperforms. This dynamic is not unique to the hunter, but does seem to hit them rather hard.

Shortee wrote: Oh i am definitely bias but i think its a little ridiculous to imply anyone plays a healer solo. LOL So i will try to explain...classes that are used for killing other classes only please.

I have seen a few Friars around solo, and 1v1 it's an incredibly strong healing class. That said, I agree that heal classes are overall rather terrible at the solo game.

My top 3 visible soloers: Mincer, Bonedancer, Sorc.
Bottom 3: Warden, Savage, full tank (any of them)

Mon 2 Mar 2020 7:23 AM by easytoremember

animist (shroomsurprise)
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necromancer / spiritmaster
valewalker (strafe)
minstrel
champion
bonedancer
eldritch
nightshade
mercenary
shadowblade
theurgist
hero
mentalist
enchanter
skald
reaver
cabalist
sorcerer
friar
armsman
warrior
thane
paladin
ranger
infiltrator
blademaster
hunter
shaman
berserker
wizard
runemaster
animist (nosetup)
savage
healer
valewalker (nostrafe)
druid
cleric
bard
warden
scout (melee)
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scout (sniper)

Tue 3 Mar 2020 5:45 PM by Sindralor

I think 1v1 specced warden with the right set up is extremely underrated
Dex/Qui debuff MH + ats debuff paired with moparry and bubble
their ttk just sucks

Tue 3 Mar 2020 7:57 PM by Hypno

Warden is the ultimate assassin counter

Body resist
Bubble
etc

Tue 3 Mar 2020 8:39 PM by inoeth

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 2:37 AM
Bottom of barrel
Scout warden and not sure but I’d pick cleric or bard before hunter

lol i love how everyone underestimates hunters....

actually:
necro/sm
bd
friar
minstrel
skald
assassins
hunter
ranger
shaman
champ/hero
enchanter
...
....
warden
scout
other healing classes

keep in mind visibles lacking of stealth/speed so they easily have to face 1 vs x... above just shows pure 1v1 situations

Wed 4 Mar 2020 1:05 AM by gotwqqd

inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 3 Mar 2020 8:39 PM
gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 2:37 AM
Bottom of barrel
Scout warden and not sure but I’d pick cleric or bard before hunter

lol i love how everyone underestimates hunters....

actually:
necro/sm
bd
friar
minstrel
skald
assassins
hunter
ranger
shaman
champ/hero
enchanter
...
....
warden
scout
other healing classes

keep in mind visibles lacking of stealth/speed so they easily have to face 1 vs x... above just shows pure 1v1 situations

I don’t at all
It’s a response to OP
That’s just two classes at bottom before hunter
I didn’t really think about others that are inferior

Wed 4 Mar 2020 2:23 AM by Niekas

Wardens need ToA and/or Slam to be somewhat decent in soloing. That being said, you can try to squeeze out an apple from some dog**** but it is not viable on Phoenix. You can solo on any other class in this game to a much better success than Warden, alright, maybe Solo Healer would lose this one. Top visibles:

1) Minstrel
2) Skald
3) Sorc
4) Theurg
5) Chanter
6/7) Necro/BD

Speed wins, if it doesnt - pets do.

Wed 4 Mar 2020 3:24 AM by Kwall0311

Shortee wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 12:55 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Mar 2020 12:34 AM
Shortee wrote: ↑
Sun 1 Mar 2020 10:25 PM
If you could organize the classes from highest (strongest) on the totem pole to lowest (weakest)...what would your top 3 and bottom 3 be? exclude RAs please and just assume lvl 50 solo 1v1. I understand game play style will have a factor but just think in general. I am mid only so I don't have enough experience with other classes in other realms but my top 3 would be Minstrels, Bonecancers & Necromancers. My bottom 3 would be Hunter, Scout and not sure what else.

Thanks in advance and please be honest.

would love to know how bard and the other healing classes are better solo (i know some are gimmicky and can win in certain scenarios when speced properly, but i certainly wouldnt call them stronger than the stealth archer classes lol.) than hunters and scouts. once again, your bias is showing.

Oh i am definitely bias but i think its a little ridiculous to imply anyone plays a healer solo. LOL So i will try to explain...classes that are used for killing other classes only please.

Healers can solo!

Wed 4 Mar 2020 3:12 PM by Killaloth

A strong solo class is one that can sneak an opponent or still get the kill when added.

e.g. ministrels are king, BDs can get the kill before being zerged. But you need more than 2 fingers to play a mini.

On paper sorc is a beast, in practice you will get zerged down coz you are too visible. If sneaks add your fight you can still moc5 and get your kill but that's too timer reliant.

On paper Champ is the best 1vs1 melee, in practice you will share the same problems of sorcs + most sneaks won't even try to Inc you = boring life.

I parked my solo BM (lol) and opted for solo chanter coz you are invisible in water (lurikeen) and you can pick the right moment to attack. Plus you have speed and pet snare.

On paper weaker than sorc, in real daoc better survivability + you can kill also stronger classes if not played well, including BDs, minis and sorcs.

On paper a solo rune is a bad class, in practice I'm sure I would do more rps than if playing a solo sorc coz I would be water sneaky too.

On paper a cave shami can kill most classes, in practice it takes time and you don't have time on Phoenix coz no one cares about your 1vs1.

And so on my friend!

Thu 5 Mar 2020 7:23 PM by adamaxis

In order of first appearance on top RP list
Top 100:
Druid x 3
Mentalist x 2
Enchanter x 3
Animist x 3
Bard x 6
Berserker x 2
Sorcerer x 4
Blademaster x 3
Runemaster x 3
Hero x 1
Warrior x 1
Reaver x 4
Warden x 2
Minstrel x 10
Shaman x 3
Theurgist x 1
Skald x 3
Nightshade x 5
Eldritch x 3
Healer x 6
Savage x 2
Necromancer x 3
Cleric x 5
Infiltrator x 3
Thane x 2
Shadowblade x 7
Paladin x 1
Mercenary x 1
Cabalist x 1
Ranger x 2
Valewalker x 1
Wizard x 2
Bonedancer x 1
Armsman x 1

Sub-100:
Friar x 2
Champion x 2
Hunter x 1
Scout x 1

Sub-200:
Spiritmaster

What is most apparent to me on this list is that Minstrels are absolute stand-outs above every other class and that archers in general are terrible.

Thu 5 Mar 2020 10:15 PM by ColdHands

adamaxis wrote: ↑
Thu 5 Mar 2020 7:23 PM
In order of first appearance on top RP list
Top 100:
Druid x 3
Mentalist x 2
Enchanter x 3
Animist x 3
Bard x 6
Berserker x 2
Sorcerer x 4
Blademaster x 3
Runemaster x 3
Hero x 1
Warrior x 1
Reaver x 4
Warden x 2
Minstrel x 10
Shaman x 3
Theurgist x 1
Skald x 3
Nightshade x 5
Eldritch x 3
Healer x 6
Savage x 2
Necromancer x 3
Cleric x 5
Infiltrator x 3
Thane x 2
Shadowblade x 7
Paladin x 1
Mercenary x 1
Cabalist x 1
Ranger x 2
Valewalker x 1
Wizard x 2
Bonedancer x 1
Armsman x 1

Sub-100:
Friar x 2
Champion x 2
Hunter x 1
Scout x 1

Sub-200:
Spiritmaster

What is most apparent to me on this list is that Minstrels are absolute stand-outs above every other class and that archers in general are terrible.

Being a solo player has much more to do with ability and getting the absolute most out of the class.
The list (or any total RP list) above doesn't reflect 1v1 / solo viability. 4 of the top 5 players ran in the same 8 man group and were played by multiple people.
This is the list of top 100 most solo kills by class
Nightshade - 25
Shadowblad - 23
Infiltrator - 20
Minstrel - 8
Skald - 5
Ranger - 5
Hunter -4 <---- Not at bottom of list btw
Champ - 4
Necromancer - 2
Warrior - 1
Spiritmaster - 1
Scout - 1
Paladin - 1
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