solo gameplay - small mans and 8mans running over solos, toxic culture

See the title. I've soloed a lot on this server on multiple classes. 8mans and small mans add on 1v1s 99% of the time. This culture is toxic and ruins solo play. Something needs to change. It makes the game unfun to play. Dying 20+ times in 4 hours to 8mans that just hunt and run solos down is a bit much.

Ya, this is a whine post. Still, players on this sever as a whole show no respect to soloers.

'm not sure what could be done on a patch level, such as changing how realm points are rewarded to 8mans that run over solo fights, but something needs to change.

Tue 8 Sep 2020 7:07 PM by Kwall0311

Thats just the nature of this games community, has been for the past 20 years. And they wonder why the population is so low

Tue 8 Sep 2020 7:21 PM by DinoTriz

I definitely understand your frustration.

But it's like expecting your dog not to eat a big, juicy steak that falls on the floor.

I guess the silver lining is that someone views you as a big, juicy steak. My dad never loved me but an opposing 8 man group never makes excuses to see me on my birthday.

Tue 8 Sep 2020 8:27 PM by Gildar

Sorry ... there is a solo zone dedicated ... why soloers dont go there ? Here no 8mens can run over you ... but unsurprisingly that zone is empty ...

So what ?

Tue 8 Sep 2020 8:41 PM by Bradekes

They removed solo zone... that's why it's empty.. also this isn't a solo play server.. people want rps.. they see you alone they see easy rps.. easy as that

Just like how you soloers see some noob turning in exp items at the docks in his mis-matched colored gear and kill him knowing he is green to you. No sympathy

Tue 8 Sep 2020 11:58 PM by Thoralf1

Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 8 Sep 2020 8:27 PM
Sorry ... there is a solo zone dedicated ... why soloers dont go there ? Here no 8mens can run over you ... but unsurprisingly that zone is empty ...

So what ?

Once more you prove how far it is with your knowledge.

Wed 9 Sep 2020 12:02 AM by Thoralf1

Bry wrote: ↑
Tue 8 Sep 2020 6:49 PM
See the title. I've soloed a lot on this server on multiple classes. 8mans and small mans add on 1v1s 99% of the time. This culture is toxic and ruins solo play. Something needs to change. It makes the game unfun to play. Dying 20+ times in 4 hours to 8mans that just hunt and run solos down is a bit much.

Ya, this is a whine post. Still, players on this sever as a whole show no respect to soloers.

'm not sure what could be done on a patch level, such as changing how realm points are rewarded to 8mans that run over solo fights, but something needs to change.

You have to live with it or try to use diffrent ways. Goto where those SGs and Highend 8vs8 specialst dont go too often and you will get some 1vs1 or duo vs duo.

Wed 9 Sep 2020 12:24 AM by LolaEbola

It’s just the nature of the game, my friend. Solos gank xpers and each other. Small mans gank the solos, 8 mans gank the small mans, zergs gank the 8 mans. Bigger zergs gank the smaller zergs.

There’s always a bigger fish.

If we just bypassed every fight that wasn’t equal numbers, it’d be a boring server, in my opinion. The expectation of that style of play does us all a disservice, I think. It robs daoc of it’s chaotic nature that made us all fall in love with it and keep playing for twenty years.

My guess is that if 100% of us started following these made up rules of “honor”, a lot of people would get real bored real quick. I know I would, and I main an assassin who primarily solos and often gets zerged down.

I’m laughing, every time I die. Every. Single. Time. If you keep that spirit to it, nothing can bother you. It’s a game! Let’s have fun with it! <3

Wed 9 Sep 2020 10:05 AM by Noashakra

IdiamVonGawaine wrote: ↑
Wed 9 Sep 2020 9:05 AM
Using the buzzword "toxic" demonstrates that the OP is little more than a mindless parrot with no capacity for original thought or reason, and therefore should be ignored, if not outright mocked by the average individual, as they have nothing of value to contribute to any given issue other than petulant bias and anger.

The Importance Of Self-Reflection
https://www.aconsciousrethink.com/10258/self-reflection/#:~:text=Self%2Dreflection%20is%20a%20process,you%20wish%20it%20to%20be.

Wed 9 Sep 2020 10:38 AM by inoeth

LolaEbola wrote: ↑
Wed 9 Sep 2020 12:24 AM
It’s just the nature of the game, my friend. Solos gank xpers and each other. Small mans gank the solos, 8 mans gank the small mans, zergs gank the 8 mans. Bigger zergs gank the smaller zergs.

There’s always a bigger fish.

If we just bypassed every fight that wasn’t equal numbers, it’d be a boring server, in my opinion. The expectation of that style of play does us all a disservice, I think. It robs daoc of it’s chaotic nature that made us all fall in love with it and keep playing for twenty years.

My guess is that if 100% of us started following these made up rules of “honor”, a lot of people would get real bored real quick. I know I would, and I main an assassin who primarily solos and often gets zerged down.

I’m laughing, every time I die. Every. Single. Time. If you keep that spirit to it, nothing can bother you. It’s a game! Let’s have fun with it! <3

no soloers do not gank XPers, idiots do. its also the idiots that add 1v1 8v8 and smallVsmall. nobody wants to get added, problem is that once ppl get added they feel like "everyone" is doing it and therefore also start to be toxic. its just a few ppl that started it and it spreads like cancer. on former freeshards with a smaller community there has not been such a behavior by most of the ppl. also on live 10 years ago i do not remember this kind of toxicity.

would be nice to have some kind of bounty system where toxic behavior would lead to some kind of stigma. man that would be a really awesome RPG mechanic!

Wed 9 Sep 2020 10:59 AM by Lev

LolaEbola wrote: It’s just the nature of the game, my friend. Solos gank xpers and each other. Small mans gank the solos, 8 mans gank the small mans, zergs gank the 8 mans. Bigger zergs gank the smaller zergs.

There’s always a bigger fish.

If we just bypassed every fight that wasn’t equal numbers, it’d be a boring server, in my opinion. The expectation of that style of play does us all a disservice, I think. It robs daoc of it’s chaotic nature that made us all fall in love with it and keep playing for twenty years.

My guess is that if 100% of us started following these made up rules of “honor”, a lot of people would get real bored real quick. I know I would, and I main an assassin who primarily solos and often gets zerged down.

exactly.

to add my 2ct:
I have seen so many soloers on different server adding their way to a fairly high RR. when they reach the RR goal, they try to solo and whine that others do the same as they did before for hundrets of hours.
and no soloer let's a tasty Rp snack like a low-RR-under-lvl50 just run by.
or the ones, who run to DC bridge or a flag and expect others to respect their solo play style. And last, but not least, soloers want steady action, not to search for a inc 60min, so what else can I do other than to run to a task area?

source: I soloed with visibles until NF and then I gave it up :p

Wed 9 Sep 2020 11:14 AM by DinoTriz

inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 9 Sep 2020 10:38 AM
would be nice to have some kind of bounty system where toxic behavior would lead to some kind of stigma. man that would be a really awesome RPG mechanic!

Kind of like how Grand Theft Auto 5 Online does it.

As soon as someone ganks a gray level character XPing, they show up on the map for 30 seconds. They could be worth double RP or something. Then again, it may incentivize people to gank grays in an attempt to bring the fight to them.

Or, there could be a bounty board that people watch and it logs the name of the gray who was killed. The high RR ally then messages the gray and asks them about location and you hunt the ganker down, gaining bonus RP.

Wed 9 Sep 2020 11:27 AM by Anorganischer

Bry wrote: ↑
Tue 8 Sep 2020 6:49 PM
'm not sure what could be done on a patch level, such as changing how realm points are rewarded to 8mans that run over solo fights, but something needs to change.

I have the solution for you: Go and look for an other game that meets your requirements better.

Wed 9 Sep 2020 12:22 PM by ughsmash

As much as I have seen 8mans whine about archers adding, they sure don't have a problem with running you over in an 8v1. People play this game to try and outnumber you on their way to victory. There are a select few people who actually 1v1 consistently. There are also a smaller group of people who for some reason 8mans kill less. If you are one of the others you will be added in half your fights, or go to a deserted area and get one fight after 45 minutes.

It would be nice to have an area devoted to not grouping, even if it was for reduced rps, just or the fun of having solo fights and playing a different solo class than an assassin/archer. I tried to play my visibles solo so many times, but you have to be run over 20 times to get a single 1v1.

I get the game is not directly intended for 1v1, but with the way people play now, certain classes don't get invite to groups, so you either don't play them or solo. Or solo until you are high RR and people will invite you to group.

For soloing to be viable, you cant expect people to have fun getting smashed most of the time they are in RvR and tell them to deal with it or quit.

Wed 9 Sep 2020 1:19 PM by Sepplord

Anorganischer wrote: ↑
Wed 9 Sep 2020 11:27 AM
I have the solution for you: Go and look for an other game that meets your requirements better.

Killerphrase, adds nothing of value and can be applied to every single change that ever happens...

aka "Nothing should ever change anywhere"

Wed 9 Sep 2020 1:33 PM by Cadebrennus

DinoTriz wrote: ↑
Wed 9 Sep 2020 11:14 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 9 Sep 2020 10:38 AM
would be nice to have some kind of bounty system where toxic behavior would lead to some kind of stigma. man that would be a really awesome RPG mechanic!

Kind of like how Grand Theft Auto 5 Online does it.

As soon as someone ganks a gray level character XPing, they show up on the map for 30 seconds. They could be worth double RP or something. Then again, it may incentivize people to gank grays in an attempt to bring the fight to them.

Or, there could be a bounty board that people watch and it logs the name of the gray who was killed. The high RR ally then messages the gray and asks them about location and you hunt the ganker down, gaining bonus RP.

Fantastic idea

Wed 9 Sep 2020 8:12 PM by Gildar

Thoralf1 wrote: ↑
Tue 8 Sep 2020 11:58 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 8 Sep 2020 8:27 PM
Sorry ... there is a solo zone dedicated ... why soloers dont go there ? Here no 8mens can run over you ... but unsurprisingly that zone is empty ...

So what ?

Once more you prove how far it is with your knowledge.

Ahahahah i only wrote a mistake

Where i wrote "there is a solo zone dedicated" i want write "there was a solo zone dedicated"
Not eng mother tongue sry ... solo zone was dead after a week Devs up the zone ...

Anyway your post are useless as usual ... /clap

Wed 9 Sep 2020 8:23 PM by LolaEbola

inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 9 Sep 2020 10:38 AM
LolaEbola wrote: ↑
Wed 9 Sep 2020 12:24 AM
It’s just the nature of the game, my friend. Solos gank xpers and each other. Small mans gank the solos, 8 mans gank the small mans, zergs gank the 8 mans. Bigger zergs gank the smaller zergs.

There’s always a bigger fish.

If we just bypassed every fight that wasn’t equal numbers, it’d be a boring server, in my opinion. The expectation of that style of play does us all a disservice, I think. It robs daoc of it’s chaotic nature that made us all fall in love with it and keep playing for twenty years.

My guess is that if 100% of us started following these made up rules of “honor”, a lot of people would get real bored real quick. I know I would, and I main an assassin who primarily solos and often gets zerged down.

I’m laughing, every time I die. Every. Single. Time. If you keep that spirit to it, nothing can bother you. It’s a game! Let’s have fun with it! <3

no soloers do not gank XPers, idiots do. its also the idiots that add 1v1 8v8 and smallVsmall. nobody wants to get added, problem is that once ppl get added they feel like "everyone" is doing it and therefore also start to be toxic. its just a few ppl that started it and it spreads like cancer. on former freeshards with a smaller community there has not been such a behavior by most of the ppl. also on live 10 years ago i do not remember this kind of toxicity.

would be nice to have some kind of bounty system where toxic behavior would lead to some kind of stigma. man that would be a really awesome RPG mechanic!

I didn’t insult you, friend. No reason to insult me.

I gank xpers. I kill, or try to kill, generally anybody I come across in the frontier. I don’t think that makes me “an idiot”. I think it makes me different from you. But, that’s okay! We all play the game differently, and I think it’s a great game for fostering so many varying play styles.

We’d all be better off if we could just appreciate one another.

Wed 9 Sep 2020 8:43 PM by Lokkjim

inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 9 Sep 2020 10:38 AM
no soloers do not gank XPers, idiots do. its also the idiots that add 1v1 8v8 and smallVsmall. nobody wants to get added, problem is that once ppl get added they feel like "everyone" is doing it and therefore also start to be toxic. its just a few ppl that started it and it spreads like cancer. on former freeshards with a smaller community there has not been such a behavior by most of the ppl. also on live 10 years ago i do not remember this kind of toxicity.

would be nice to have some kind of bounty system where toxic behavior would lead to some kind of stigma. man that would be a really awesome RPG mechanic!

I added into a 4v5 to make it 5v5, and helped the 4 man win and they still killed me. Though it was just one of em, the others were alright.

Wed 9 Sep 2020 9:02 PM by protege

Killing dock runners creates solo action (35+, not talking about ganking greys here, which I oppose). If you're out in the RvR zone and you con, expect to die if you run into enemies.

Wed 9 Sep 2020 10:10 PM by LolaEbola

I also kill greys. Sometimes, I let them live. Other times I don’t. Personally, I reject this code of honor built up around them.

Grey xpers want it both ways. They want you to leave them alone to do their thing in peace. But, if they get a chance to jump in and get some rps helping their realmmate kill you, they’ll gladly do so.

If you’re big enough to heal the nightshade I’m fighting, you’re big enough to get killed.

Wed 9 Sep 2020 11:44 PM by ProteusWest

I get that people want to play this game their own way and have everyone observe a code of conduct that even the various groups don't fully agree upon, but so much of all this is basically just whining because you died. I play solo a lot at low RR, and I get some kills and die a lot to small mans. I personally don't kill greys, but if I am a grey and get killed, I don't make a forum post about it.

In a game where everyone has a shared space to play, I think it's ridiculous to assume that your style of play is going to be respected by someone who is out to play their own game. It's not toxic. Toxic is telling other people that they shouldn't play the way they want. If you want to zerg down keeps, or run in an 8 man/small man, or solo, or duo, or camp docks, or kill healers and tanks in grey groups on pull and spam laugh when everyone takes an XP death, do it. If you think some of that is crappy and don't want to, then don't.

Thu 10 Sep 2020 12:23 AM by LolaEbola

ProteusWest wrote: ↑
Wed 9 Sep 2020 11:44 PM
I get that people want to play this game their own way and have everyone observe a code of conduct that even the various groups don't fully agree upon, but so much of all this is basically just whining because you died. I play solo a lot at low RR, and I get some kills and die a lot to small mans. I personally don't kill greys, but if I am a grey and get killed, I don't make a forum post about it.

In a game where everyone has a shared space to play, I think it's ridiculous to assume that your style of play is going to be respected by someone who is out to play their own game. It's not toxic. Toxic is telling other people that they shouldn't play the way they want. If you want to zerg down keeps, or run in an 8 man/small man, or solo, or duo, or camp docks, or kill healers and tanks in grey groups on pull and spam laugh when everyone takes an XP death, do it. If you think some of that is crappy and don't want to, then don't.

Now, this guy I can get behind.

Thu 10 Sep 2020 3:22 AM by ProteusWest

I just remember live DAOC at release. If you stepped in to an RvR zone, you could expect that the other realm would murder you without compassion or mercy if they found you. You let that hatred fuel you so you could return the favor later, and when you grew up and killed that grey ganker, it felt great. When your 50 man zerg rolled one of those 8 mans and they whined about it on some server VN boards, calling you a bunch of skill free hacks, you savored their salty tears and you made sure that you hit them with 70 the next time.

The first 8 man groups and solo stealthers were hardened by the knowledge that literally anything went, and a lot of them were really strong because they were playing a play style that was sub-optimal, so they had to be precise and very skilled to be successful. I could definitely respect that, because a couple of those groups could actually do some damage to an uncoordinated zerg. Now? Not so much.

Thu 10 Sep 2020 5:17 AM by thirian24

ProteusWest wrote: ↑
Thu 10 Sep 2020 3:22 AM
I just remember live DAOC at release. If you stepped in to an RvR zone, you could expect that the other realm would murder you without compassion or mercy if they found you. You let that hatred fuel you so you could return the favor later, and when you grew up and killed that grey ganker, it felt great. When your 50 man zerg rolled one of those 8 mans and they whined about it on some server VN boards, calling you a bunch of skill free hacks, you savored their salty tears and you made sure that you hit them with 70 the next time.

The first 8 man groups and solo stealthers were hardened by the knowledge that literally anything went, and a lot of them were really strong because they were playing a play style that was sub-optimal, so they had to be precise and very skilled to be successful. I could definitely respect that, because a couple of those groups could actually do some damage to an uncoordinated zerg. Now? Not so much.

Fast forward to 2020, and would you look at that.. this isnt live. Ill be damned.

Thu 10 Sep 2020 5:35 AM by tommccartney

ProteusWest wrote: ↑
Thu 10 Sep 2020 3:22 AM
I just remember live DAOC at release. If you stepped in to an RvR zone, you could expect that the other realm would murder you without compassion or mercy if they found you. You let that hatred fuel you so you could return the favor later, and when you grew up and killed that grey ganker, it felt great. When your 50 man zerg rolled one of those 8 mans and they whined about it on some server VN boards, calling you a bunch of skill free hacks, you savored their salty tears and you made sure that you hit them with 70 the next time.

The first 8 man groups and solo stealthers were hardened by the knowledge that literally anything went, and a lot of them were really strong because they were playing a play style that was sub-optimal, so they had to be precise and very skilled to be successful. I could definitely respect that, because a couple of those groups could actually do some damage to an uncoordinated zerg. Now? Not so much.

Well said, agreed, and it’s up to each player to use their skills, knowledge of the game, map tactics and character abilities to survive and kill other players. This way fights are totally organic in every way.

Bad players shouldn’t bank on other players not killing them because ‘it wasn’t fairrr’

Thu 10 Sep 2020 6:46 AM by Sepplord

tommccartney wrote: ↑
Thu 10 Sep 2020 5:35 AM
Bad players shouldn’t bank on other players not killing them because ‘it wasn’t fairrr’

and neither should good players

Thu 10 Sep 2020 7:28 AM by inoeth

ProteusWest wrote: ↑
Wed 9 Sep 2020 11:44 PM
I get that people want to play this game their own way and have everyone observe a code of conduct that even the various groups don't fully agree upon, but so much of all this is basically just whining because you died. I play solo a lot at low RR, and I get some kills and die a lot to small mans. I personally don't kill greys, but if I am a grey and get killed, I don't make a forum post about it.

In a game where everyone has a shared space to play, I think it's ridiculous to assume that your style of play is going to be respected by someone who is out to play their own game. It's not toxic. Toxic is telling other people that they shouldn't play the way they want. If you want to zerg down keeps, or run in an 8 man/small man, or solo, or duo, or camp docks, or kill healers and tanks in grey groups on pull and spam laugh when everyone takes an XP death, do it. If you think some of that is crappy and don't want to, then don't.

plot twist: zergers/adders force everyone else into their play style and you can barely escape this.
how is that not toxic?
i mean zergers/adders complain that fairfighters enter "their" zones and therefore are free to get added, but what is with these guys who enter the "fair" zones and add there? is that not toxic?

Thu 10 Sep 2020 7:44 AM by Centenario

The discord talks are:
Docks, dropoffs, bridges, keeps and towers are heavy traffic area, if you try to solo there expect to get added.
If they want to solo they should go to a spot with less traffic.

Thu 10 Sep 2020 3:03 PM by Eckso

Sorry Bry, but the solo game on this server will remain as is for now I think. The main thing that strikes me about this thread though is the amount of people giving their opinion about soloing, when they dont solo.

Look very closely at the gamer tags and names of players. If you arent Lone Enforcer on this server on your main yet, then your opinion means very little.

Back to the topic at hand. Can Solo Life change? I think yes, but it will start when stealthers stop adding on 8 man fights, especially the elite 8 man teams. I would argue its mostly archers, but assassins as well. I think groups would be more understanding of solo fights if 80% of the sneaks out there were not waiting to get easy add rps.

That being said there are already multiple consistently running groups that will not zerg down soloers, Error guild on Midgard for example. I myself have seen many 8 man groups just run by, or let fights resolve before laying players out.

Best thing for soloers to do? Stay away from 8 man fights, stick to the fringes, and watch kill spam. You dont want to get zerged, stay away from the zerg

Cheers
-Exo

Thu 10 Sep 2020 3:05 PM by ProteusWest

plot twist: zergers/adders force everyone else into their play style and you can barely escape this.
how is that not toxic?
i mean zergers/adders complain that fairfighters enter "their" zones and therefore are free to get added, but what is with these guys who enter the "fair" zones and add there? is that not toxic?

If you are in an RvR zone, you can die to anyone or no one. That choice is not made by you, it is made by the person, group, or zerg that is killing you. It has been that way since day 1, and it's still that way now. If you aren't willing to accept that, whether it's 2001 or 2020, then I don't really know what to tell you. It is not fun to die, but it is likely pretty fun for the person killing you, so take comfort in the fact that in most cases of RvR, someone is enjoying it, even if that doesn't happen to be you at the moment.

Thu 10 Sep 2020 8:35 PM by Helwyr

inoeth wrote: ↑
Thu 10 Sep 2020 7:28 AM
ProteusWest wrote: ↑
Wed 9 Sep 2020 11:44 PM
I get that people want to play this game their own way and have everyone observe a code of conduct that even the various groups don't fully agree upon, but so much of all this is basically just whining because you died. I play solo a lot at low RR, and I get some kills and die a lot to small mans. I personally don't kill greys, but if I am a grey and get killed, I don't make a forum post about it.

In a game where everyone has a shared space to play, I think it's ridiculous to assume that your style of play is going to be respected by someone who is out to play their own game. It's not toxic. Toxic is telling other people that they shouldn't play the way they want. If you want to zerg down keeps, or run in an 8 man/small man, or solo, or duo, or camp docks, or kill healers and tanks in grey groups on pull and spam laugh when everyone takes an XP death, do it. If you think some of that is crappy and don't want to, then don't.

plot twist: zergers/adders force everyone else into their play style and you can barely escape this.
how is that not toxic?
i mean zergers/adders complain that fairfighters enter "their" zones and therefore are free to get added, but what is with these guys who enter the "fair" zones and add there? is that not toxic?

WTF is a "fairfighter" and "fair zone"?

Thu 10 Sep 2020 8:42 PM by

Razilly

Locking this thread due to namecalling and insults.