Send lvl 20-34s back to the Battlegrounds!

RvR is actually quite fun after lvl 40+ , even while being at a significant disadvantage, it is still fun/feels similar to lvl 50 RvR. At lvl 1- 34, this is not the case. You are essentially just trying to tag/be hit for the task tick. Here are some ways to provide an alternative experience for the low levels and increase BG popularity:

Remove Frontier zone task credit from lvl 34 and below players

Add the SAME exact task credit on a 15 min timer for each BG. Reduce the RPs slightly

Add 3 - 4 xp item mobs per BG. Make the turn in inside the BG Portal Keep.
With these changes, the BGs would be the highest risk / reward combination for lvl 20 - 34 and provide an appropriate setting for like level players to find PvP action while having high potential for XP/leveling with the risk of RVR. Right now the tasks blast you through rr1-3 and it doesn't feel like appropriate progression, and the RvR interaction between low grays and lvl 50 players doesn't feel right either.

Wed 3 Apr 2019 8:42 PM by Dariussdars

Lewk wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Apr 2019 7:47 PM
RvR is actually quite fun after lvl 40+ , even while being at a significant disadvantage, it is still fun/feels similar to lvl 50 RvR. At lvl 1- 34, this is not the case. You are essentially just trying to tag/be hit for the task tick. Here are some ways to provide an alternative experience for the low levels and increase BG popularity:

Remove Frontier zone task credit from lvl 34 and below players
Add the SAME exact task credit on a 15 min timer for each BG. Reduce the RPs slightly
Add 3 - 4 xp item mobs per BG. Make the turn in inside the BG Portal Keep.

With these changes, the BGs would be the highest risk / reward combination for lvl 20 - 34 and provide an appropriate setting for like level players to find PvP action while having high potential for XP/leveling with the risk of RVR. Right now the tasks blast you through rr1-3 and it doesn't feel like appropriate progression, and the RvR interaction between low grays and lvl 50 players doesn't feel right either.

I stopped playing in the BGs long before the RvR tasks in the frontiers. Can only try RvRing in Thid/Caled so many times before getting sick of being rolled by the 2 FGs of Albs that were in there every single day. 2 groups vs. a few random solos isn't my idea of fun.

Wed 3 Apr 2019 8:49 PM by Sindralor

Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Apr 2019 8:42 PM
I stopped playing in the BGs long before the RvR tasks in the frontiers. Can only try RvRing in Thid/Caled so many times before getting sick of being rolled by the 2 FGs of Albs that were in there every single day. 2 groups vs. a few random solos isn't my idea of fun.

Doesn't sound any different from lvl 40+ RvR.
I'd welcome this change, nothing worse than sub lvl 35s who run straight to your ass and /meme /beg you -
especially annoying when you just got a kill on SB and you can already see the grey Lemmings running towards you as Minst etc ...

Alot of lowies also don't seem to know you will get the task as long as you just cast/style on an enemy,
not having to kill or be killed.

Thu 4 Apr 2019 11:24 PM by Marden

Lewk wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Apr 2019 7:47 PM
RvR is actually quite fun after lvl 40+ , even while being at a significant disadvantage, it is still fun/feels similar to lvl 50 RvR. At lvl 1- 34, this is not the case. You are essentially just trying to tag/be hit for the task tick. Here are some ways to provide an alternative experience for the low levels and increase BG popularity:

Remove Frontier zone task credit from lvl 34 and below players
Add the SAME exact task credit on a 15 min timer for each BG. Reduce the RPs slightly
Add 3 - 4 xp item mobs per BG. Make the turn in inside the BG Portal Keep.

With these changes, the BGs would be the highest risk / reward combination for lvl 20 - 34 and provide an appropriate setting for like level players to find PvP action while having high potential for XP/leveling with the risk of RVR. Right now the tasks blast you through rr1-3 and it doesn't feel like appropriate progression, and the RvR interaction between low grays and lvl 50 players doesn't feel right either.

It might increase action in the BGs, or, you get a steady stream of people running to a bridge naked every 15 mins to die. I don't think this will have the effect you're looking for. If they removed the task RP's from BGs to counter this? You're back at square one: people skip and get to 35 (or whatever arbitrary level people decide is "ok" to go to the FZs).

The funny part is that all this whining about greys in RvR really only hit high gear once they took out the ability for low levels to teleport. Previously, you could port, run to a keep, die, and not bother anyone. But that option is gone, so guess what: its interrupt-a-50-time for laughs and profit.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 6:25 AM by Sepplord

the teleport change was born from the QQ about greys in RvR...besides that i agree

Fri 5 Apr 2019 5:25 PM by Pops999

Why? To make your life easier? These welfare RA's help us lowbies level. Too bad you can't take the heat.

Sat 6 Apr 2019 10:44 AM by HtGeist

Hmm sod off..you already got the teleport lvl 40 requirement...wuit camping pk's then you will see alot less grey if go to middle.
You go milegate and pk camping,you get grey deal with it or bugger off.

Sat 6 Apr 2019 11:46 AM by MadDog

Pops999 wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 5:25 PM
Why? To make your life easier? These welfare RA's help us lowbies level. Too bad you can't take the heat.

No, so BG can be repopulated little cry baby.

Sun 7 Apr 2019 8:47 AM by Pops999

Only crying I see are the post level 50's worried about the wee grays interfering in their gameplay. No one leveling cares about the speedbumps you call a battleground. The sheer speed of leveling makes them irrelevant. You can blow through 20 -24 and 30 -34 before you know it. Who wants to wait to around for a BG?

Wed 10 Apr 2019 7:49 PM by Lewk

Marden wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Apr 2019 11:24 PM
Lewk wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Apr 2019 7:47 PM
RvR is actually quite fun after lvl 40+ , even while being at a significant disadvantage, it is still fun/feels similar to lvl 50 RvR. At lvl 1- 34, this is not the case. You are essentially just trying to tag/be hit for the task tick. Here are some ways to provide an alternative experience for the low levels and increase BG popularity:

Remove Frontier zone task credit from lvl 34 and below players
Add the SAME exact task credit on a 15 min timer for each BG. Reduce the RPs slightly
Add 3 - 4 xp item mobs per BG. Make the turn in inside the BG Portal Keep.

With these changes, the BGs would be the highest risk / reward combination for lvl 20 - 34 and provide an appropriate setting for like level players to find PvP action while having high potential for XP/leveling with the risk of RVR. Right now the tasks blast you through rr1-3 and it doesn't feel like appropriate progression, and the RvR interaction between low grays and lvl 50 players doesn't feel right either.

It might increase action in the BGs, or, you get a steady stream of people running to a bridge naked every 15 mins to die. I don't think this will have the effect you're looking for. If they removed the task RP's from BGs to counter this? You're back at square one: people skip and get to 35 (or whatever arbitrary level people decide is "ok" to go to the FZs).

The funny part is that all this whining about greys in RvR really only hit high gear once they took out the ability for low levels to teleport. Previously, you could port, run to a keep, die, and not bother anyone. But that option is gone, so guess what: its interrupt-a-50-time for laughs and profit.

If they are lvl 20, they most likely won't be naked. They will have the RoGs from leveling. And even if they ran out to a bridge every 15 min, guess what, that increases action because there are targets/people to kill, and so people will come to kill them. This in turn provides players for others to kill, and so it escalates.

The teleporting to flag removal was actually a bummer because i enjoyed taking a lvl 20-30 character, porting further into an enemy realm and then finding similar level players to fight/gank. I get that it made going to a keep a lot easier, but it was an aspect that i feel actually hurt the overall atmosphere of the frontier zones being a place for EVERYONE.

I would love to see the incentives in place for people to hit up the BGs, even if it is just to fly through 4 levels there.

Wed 10 Apr 2019 7:50 PM by Lewk

Pops999 wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 5:25 PM
Why? To make your life easier? These welfare RA's help us lowbies level. Too bad you can't take the heat.

I think you missed the OP.

The same task credit is given, INSIDE the BGs. That way you can still get the same benefits, just instead of running to a MG to suicide on lvl 50s, you have the opportunity to fight other like level players and actually have some fun.

Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:39 PM by Pops999

Lewk wrote: ↑
Wed 10 Apr 2019 7:50 PM
Pops999 wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 5:25 PM
Why? To make your life easier? These welfare RA's help us lowbies level. Too bad you can't take the heat.

I think you missed the OP.

The same task credit is given, INSIDE the BGs. That way you can still get the same benefits, just instead of running to a MG to suicide on lvl 50s, you have the opportunity to fight other like level players and actually have some fun.

Haha. I have fun interrupting your kills, even save some and grab some rp's.

Sat 13 Apr 2019 9:32 AM by Leandrys

Fun in Thid ?

Hehe, meet the glorious alb twinks coming by pair of FGs.

Sat 13 Apr 2019 4:01 PM by Quik

Lewk wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Apr 2019 7:47 PM
RvR is actually quite fun after lvl 40+ , even while being at a significant disadvantage, it is still fun/feels similar to lvl 50 RvR. At lvl 1- 34, this is not the case. You are essentially just trying to tag/be hit for the task tick. Here are some ways to provide an alternative experience for the low levels and increase BG popularity:

Remove Frontier zone task credit from lvl 34 and below players
Add the SAME exact task credit on a 15 min timer for each BG. Reduce the RPs slightly
Add 3 - 4 xp item mobs per BG. Make the turn in inside the BG Portal Keep.

With these changes, the BGs would be the highest risk / reward combination for lvl 20 - 34 and provide an appropriate setting for like level players to find PvP action while having high potential for XP/leveling with the risk of RVR. Right now the tasks blast you through rr1-3 and it doesn't feel like appropriate progression, and the RvR interaction between low grays and lvl 50 players doesn't feel right either.

I like the idea, but will vote no.

For as long as anyone has played the game, when grey's have XP'ed in frontiers they would get ganked regardless if they gave RP's or not, people just did it for fun. This has gone on for YEARS.

I enjoy XPing in the frontiers and I find it incredibly satisfying knowing that the poor grey gankers that killed lowbies just to be a***oles and wanted to lessen your playing xp are now hating the fact that killing grey's GIVES the grey's RP's now =)

Karma people, it all comes full circle.

I used to be happy turning in snow but got tired of being ganked by a stealthers who STILL gank at the turn in dude just to be a***holes, so now I just harass the crap out of you poor high lvls and make your life miserable =)

I don't feel bad at all, you all brought this on yourself =)