chryso wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 8:36 PMEveryone likes what is going on except for you. Therefore, we don't need to change it.
You need to change. Learn to adjust your play style.
chryso wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 8:59 PMThe solution is for all who want to solo to go to a different zone than the task zone but you guys don't want to do that.
You just complain that there is nobody there. Well, if you all went there then it wouldn't be so empty.
Fooj Fujiyama wrote: Yeah you can't just say everybody likes it. I personally don't like getting zerged by 200 mids five seconds after I found the 1 mid who was running solo that I tried to gank. I know all realms zerg and sometimes the numbers switch so this really effects every realm despite mids having 100+ more people consistently during NA time. You can't find a fair 1 v 1 because the task zone is so filled with people that you really can barely do anything without hordes of them coming from every direction. The ideal solution is to keep the zerg task for the majority of people but also give some sort of incentive to solo/small man people for going to the non task zones. It's frustrating when someone always tries to shut down your idea because it's not what THEY like instead of giving an actual solution that makes everybody happy.
Fooj Fujiyama wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 9:08 PMNot necessarily only looking for a 1 v 1, I am a ranger so I don't mind adding onto fights and stuff. What I am trying to get across is that everybody located in 1 realm is not fun.
Fooj Fujiyama wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 9:10 PMOkay so once again instead of having an idea that works for everyone it's just what you want, got it.
PingGuy wrote: For you. And to be fair, I want you to have fun, but not by ruining my fun. The zerg is fun for me, and I'd like to keep it.
Fooj Fujiyama wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 9:12 PMI dunno how zerging is fun for anyone anyways, feels like a Galla raid. Hit everybody once!!!!
Fooj Fujiyama wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 9:12 PMI dunno how zerging is fun for anyone anyways, feels like a Galla raid. Hit everybody once!!!!
Fooj Fujiyama wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 9:23 PMWell I am more of a solo/smalll man/everyonce in awhile zerg fun. But right now this server is 100% focused on zerg warfare which 100% is the most beneficial to mids since they have so many more people during NA times. It's pretty unbalanced but like I said luckily they are tweaking it soon.
chryso wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 9:17 PMFooj Fujiyama wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 9:12 PMI dunno how zerging is fun for anyone anyways, feels like a Galla raid. Hit everybody once!!!!
Zerg on zerg fights are what I remember most about the old days of DAOC. It was usually a relic attack or defense that caused it.
I thought it was the best computer gaming experience of all time.
defiasbandit wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 9:42 PMI agree zergingncaan be great, but players here are not zerging keeps or relics, they are just roaming a single task zone.
defiasbandit wrote: Assuming that the zerg tasks a long term solution here is shortsighted. You vastly underestimate the amounts of players that prefer other playstyles and don't prefer the realm task treadmill.
The upcoming realm task changes seem to be an improvement, but it non-task frontiers will likely remain dead.
PingGuy wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 11:24 PMdefiasbandit wrote: Assuming that the zerg tasks a long term solution here is shortsighted. You vastly underestimate the amounts of players that prefer other playstyles and don't prefer the realm task treadmill.
The upcoming realm task changes seem to be an improvement, but it non-task frontiers will likely remain dead.
What if you are wrong and lots of people enjoy big chaotic battles? What if the tasks continue to accomplish that and people are happy?
Nobody is stopping people who like other playstyles from pursuing them. You don't have to kill the zerg to promote other types of fun.
You still haven't explained why the non-task frontiers hypothetically being dead is a problem. If people want to do other playstyles so much, and they aren't going to the non-zerg zones to do them, maybe they don't really want to do them. Or maybe there are far less of them than you think, and they are already out there.
defiasbandit wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 11:28 PMI do not want to to kill realm tasks or zerging. This is an PvP MMO based around 12 zone RvR with keeps. Having all of the RvR concentrated in one zone with players roaming in circles is not preferable for many here.
defiasbandit wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 11:28 PMThere are ways to encourage RvR in other zones and make it more dynamic. This thread is for those ideas.
PingGuy wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 11:54 PMdefiasbandit wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 11:28 PMI do not want to to kill realm tasks or zerging. This is an PvP MMO based around 12 zone RvR with keeps. Having all of the RvR concentrated in one zone with players roaming in circles is not preferable for many here.
That's unfortunate for them. But how is this stopping them from doing something they enjoy? The zerg is in one zone at a time, they can literally do whatever they want in any of the 11 other zones at any time.
Snoogy wrote: ↑Fri 22 Feb 2019 8:44 AMI find it peculiar that you have such a hard nosed opinion on this and have invested this much time into this thread and you don't even have a level 50.
Snoogy wrote: ↑Fri 22 Feb 2019 8:35 AMEveryone is doing the tasks because its where 90% of the action is by virtue of it being the task zone.
With a 3k primetime population, the realm task effectively appropriates only one zone as the only zone where that many players will go to RvR
With that many people RvRing in one zone, it creates an incredibly small area for that many people to be concentrated into RvRing and creates predictable zerg warfare.
Without realm tasks, the frontiers would no longer be effectively reduced to one zone.. Which makes an already small Old Frontiers seem even smaller and strategic warfare goes out the window which is frustrating to some players.
Snoogy wrote: ↑Fri 22 Feb 2019 8:35 AMThis is not "elitist" or people who solo projecting their individual complaints. Its an observation that the realm tasks makes frontiers seem incredibly small by forcing 3k people into one zone. If there were individual tasks, it would disperse the population throughout all 3 frontier zones making strategic fights more common.
As for enjoyable zerg warfare, that would 100% still still occur and is an incredibly fun part of daoc. Keep takes, zones where zergs are running and rekic raids, these huge battles that everyone loves would happen spontaneously as originally intended during siege scenarios. It wouldn't be the only form of RvR available the way realm tasks have made it now.
Of course you enjoy it on a 45 warden..(lol) But there are a lot of players who would like the opportunity to test their characters skill against another soloer without being immediately zerged, or groups who would like to test their setup against another 8man setup without being zerged.
Both play styles, 8man/solo and zerg v zerg should be able to be enjoyed by the players who like to engage in them, respectively. Without realm tasks that concentrate action into one zone.. You would have both styles of RvR occurring with such a large population. Right. Now, only zerg vs zerg is available and clearly there is a large percentage of players who are frustrated by this.
Its not "elitism" its not people projecting their individual experience as what's true for the majority, its just an observation made by many people I have seen so far that the realm tasks just create an environment where way too many players are packed into way too small of a zone.
Snoogy wrote: ↑Fri 22 Feb 2019 8:44 AMI find it peculiar that you have such a hard nosed opinion on this and have invested this much time into this thread and you don't even have a level 50. You haven't even been able to experience the full RvR potential of your class but you understand the fundamental nature of how the majority finds RvR enjoyable? I'm really not intending for this to be a flame, but come on. You technically haven't even engaged in end game RvR yet. The little extra effort to get 50 and templates might help you empathize with the frustrations of people who have and don't particularly enjoy zerging being the sole form of RvR available most of the time here sir..
chryso wrote: ↑Fri 22 Feb 2019 1:48 PMAre you kidding me? If he spent half as much time in game as he does complaining on the board he would have multiple 50s.
Fooj Fujiyama wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 9:23 PMWell I am more of a solo/smalll man/everyonce in awhile zerg fun. But right now this server is 100% focused on zerg warfare which 100% is the most beneficial to mids since they have so many more people during NA times. It's pretty unbalanced but like I said luckily they are tweaking it soon.
PingGuy wrote: ↑Fri 22 Feb 2019 3:06 PMSnoogy wrote: ↑Fri 22 Feb 2019 8:44 AMI find it peculiar that you have such a hard nosed opinion on this and have invested this much time into this thread and you don't even have a level 50. You haven't even been able to experience the full RvR potential of your class but you understand the fundamental nature of how the majority finds RvR enjoyable? I'm really not intending for this to be a flame, but come on. You technically haven't even engaged in end game RvR yet. The little extra effort to get 50 and templates might help you empathize with the frustrations of people who have and don't particularly enjoy zerging being the sole form of RvR available most of the time here sir..
I'm a far better forum warrior than I am a player, it's the curse I bear. It's just how my time and responsibilities work out. Plenty of time to post, not as much to play.
I've been running the zerg from 33 to 45.5, seeing how my experience changed from "get off a few heals and then die" to "kill some people, res some people, keep moving, get flattened less often." Hitting level 50 isn't going to make me stop being casual or solo. It's not going to make me look for 8vs8 competition. It might encourage me to look for some solo action occasionally.
Some of the best MMO PvP I've ever done, and fully enjoyed, was the 51-60 tier of Alterac Valley in WoW. Common goal, lots of room, easy to participate without heavy organization. I played a Priest, I healed everything I could, as best as I could. It was a blast. The tasks here have a similar feel. There wasn't much else I liked about WoW, but that BG was like the magic formula for fun.
I appreciate what you are trying to convey, and I don't take offense. Just please understand, I'm a casual first, and mostly solo because of that. The zerg fits my playstyle, and I don't see that changing drastically.
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