No rvr before lv 50 = no casual just tedius

I've tried a couple of chars, took them to 34-35 and quit the game.
The pve seems great but it's the pvp the reason why I love daoc and I didn't even see it in a week, the only fun that I had was leeching level 50 players in rvr.
And what happens if I want to try multiple chars?

The game was bearable with battlegrounds, but they don't exists here. I'm an adult now, the few hours that you are requiring now to level up are nothing compared to classic daoc I know, but they are still too much for someone who already have a job.

Anyway just my 2cents, good luck with the server, was one of the best that I've seen.

Thu 25 Apr 2019 8:09 PM by phixion

MaxiHori wrote: ↑
Thu 25 Apr 2019 8:07 PM
I've tried a couple of chars, took them to 34-35 and quit the game.
The pve seems great but it's the pvp the reason why I love daoc and I didn't even see it in a week, the only fun that I had was leeching level 50 players in rvr.
And what happens if I want to try multiple chars?

The game was bearable with battlegrounds, but they don't exists here. I'm an adult now, the few hours that you are requiring now to level up are nothing compared to classic daoc I know, but they are still too much for someone who already have a job.

Anyway just my 2cents, good luck with the server, was one of the best that I've seen.

Get to 50 on 1 char, then RvR.

You can't blame anyone but yourself for not spending the time to max 1 char rather than spreading your time over multiple.

Thu 25 Apr 2019 8:13 PM by Scout123

Cya

Thu 25 Apr 2019 11:28 PM by Sindralor

Theres xp loot items for every levelrange once you hit 20 ... uhm ...

Thu 25 Apr 2019 11:51 PM by vbt

i agree man the leveling aspect of this game takes entirely too much time.. who has 40 hours to level a character to 50 then farm gear for it just so you can play it? wtf year is it? but the geeks here seem to love grinding their soul away and i do not understand it either. theres so many reasons this game fails and this is one of the bigger ones.

Fri 26 Apr 2019 12:48 AM by Mavella

Apex legends and fortnite are that way. Goodbye idiots. You won't be missed.

Fri 26 Apr 2019 1:50 AM by relvinian

MaxiHori wrote: ↑
Thu 25 Apr 2019 8:07 PM
I've tried a couple of chars, took them to 34-35 and quit the game.
The pve seems great but it's the pvp the reason why I love daoc and I didn't even see it in a week, the only fun that I had was leeching level 50 players in rvr.
And what happens if I want to try multiple chars?

The game was bearable with battlegrounds, but they don't exists here. I'm an adult now, the few hours that you are requiring now to level up are nothing compared to classic daoc I know, but they are still too much for someone who already have a job.

Anyway just my 2cents, good luck with the server, was one of the best that I've seen.

Too bad you didn't get here before i50 then you could have figured out what you want to play then focus on it. I did that in beta, decided necro and spec, made one toon, never made another. All i do is rvr.

Perhaps the devs could put up an i-50 test server and let people try out stuff there so they won't have to make so many alts?

Fri 26 Apr 2019 1:51 AM by relvinian

Mavella wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 12:48 AM
Apex legends and fortnite are that way. Goodbye idiots. You won't be missed.

Not true. We need all the players who want to be here. We need people with jobs and kids and responsibilities.

Fri 26 Apr 2019 5:30 AM by dbeattie71

MaxiHori wrote: ↑
Thu 25 Apr 2019 8:07 PM
I've tried a couple of chars, took them to 34-35 and quit the game.
The pve seems great but it's the pvp the reason why I love daoc and I didn't even see it in a week, the only fun that I had was leeching level 50 players in rvr.
And what happens if I want to try multiple chars?

The game was bearable with battlegrounds, but they don't exists here. I'm an adult now, the few hours that you are requiring now to level up are nothing compared to classic daoc I know, but they are still too much for someone who already have a job.

Anyway just my 2cents, good luck with the server, was one of the best that I've seen.

I had my ranger templated at 40 and didn't pve after 40. Even killed a 50 hunter at 42 :O

Fri 26 Apr 2019 6:40 AM by Numatic

MaxiHori wrote: ↑
Thu 25 Apr 2019 8:07 PM
I've tried a couple of chars, took them to 34-35 and quit the game.
The pve seems great but it's the pvp the reason why I love daoc and I didn't even see it in a week, the only fun that I had was leeching level 50 players in rvr.
And what happens if I want to try multiple chars?

The game was bearable with battlegrounds, but they don't exists here. I'm an adult now, the few hours that you are requiring now to level up are nothing compared to classic daoc I know, but they are still too much for someone who already have a job.

Anyway just my 2cents, good luck with the server, was one of the best that I've seen.

I started playing when the server went live. I have a full time job, wife, and kid whom I spend a lot time with. I have 5 50's and a 45 and multiple pre 30 toons spread across all 3 realms. ALL were completely solo 1-50. No grouping. Zero. Zilch. Obviously my first 50 took the longest because it was a NS and I wasnt very efficient. I just recently did a BD to 50 and spent less than 20h /played to get him there. Once you get the system down you dont even need a group to level efficiently .

Fri 26 Apr 2019 8:24 AM by gnefner

Numatic wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 6:40 AM
MaxiHori wrote: ↑
Thu 25 Apr 2019 8:07 PM
I've tried a couple of chars, took them to 34-35 and quit the game.
The pve seems great but it's the pvp the reason why I love daoc and I didn't even see it in a week, the only fun that I had was leeching level 50 players in rvr.
And what happens if I want to try multiple chars?

The game was bearable with battlegrounds, but they don't exists here. I'm an adult now, the few hours that you are requiring now to level up are nothing compared to classic daoc I know, but they are still too much for someone who already have a job.

Anyway just my 2cents, good luck with the server, was one of the best that I've seen.

I started playing when the server went live. I have a full time job, wife, and kid whom I spend a lot time with. I have 5 50's and a 45 and multiple pre 30 toons spread across all 3 realms. ALL were completely solo 1-50. No grouping. Zero. Zilch. Obviously my first 50 took the longest because it was a NS and I wasnt very efficient. I just recently did a BD to 50 and spent less than 20h /played to get him there. Once you get the system down you dont even need a group to level efficiently .

This... I have only 3 50's - and still I just took my Thane to 50, in 24 hours played.. a mix of solo/duo and group.. i too have a wife, full time job and 3 kids.. I don't see the problem.

Fri 26 Apr 2019 1:06 PM by MaxiHori

This was meant as a feedback to the devs more than opening a discussion,

however I want to point out that it's not the time required to be 50 that is a problem, it's the fact that you don't see any form of rvr for a long time while rvr being the only reason to choose to play daoc. I mean I don't dislike pve but I would choose final fantasy if that was my goal.
Battlegrounds solved that problem quite well.
And 20 hours with one of the best class to exp in midgard it's quite a lot, imagine 1-2 weeks just of mindless farming when all you wanted was to do some rvr.

Btw it's not a case that Hibernia owns everything, Animist alone break all balance in a game like this.

Fri 26 Apr 2019 3:43 PM by cuuchulain79

The BGs thrived on people who really want to play their char, as well as enjoy the casual yet competitive atmosphere. It was great in the first month...people excited to play the class they wanted...good times.

Rather than expand the BGs however, they reduced them from a RR3 cap to 2L4(?)...quite the opposite of what I expected...for instance, when Uth2 expanded them to 20-47 & 3L4, the BGs stayed very fun for over a year...even when pop dropped to under 1k peak.

Simply, I don't think Phoenix has the players to support fun BGs anymore...it's all about the mad dash to 50 and epic gear...the players here are also very spoiled on free RP, and won't slow down to enjoy some quality PvP for the sake of fun.

At this point, all that will get players into the BGs is incentives...which IMO will just add to the one dimensional farming atmosphere Phoenix has/is building.

Fri 26 Apr 2019 4:23 PM by phixion

Throw all the lowbies back in to BGs.

Fri 26 Apr 2019 5:09 PM by cere2

I'll start this off with an In my opinion, as to not burst some peoples head's about this topic. I do like a lot of things live implemented so I am somewhat biased that way being spoiled in some sense.

Leveling
Some people I guess like the grind to 50, makes them feel accomplished for doing such?
IMO...leveling is annoying until 50. I don't want garbage items. I want items I can either farm for cash, or items that perhaps drop that I can sell on merch, or items that I may need to template....
We all are making farm toons and RVR toons. Why? Because no one wants to respec each time they want to farm vs RVR. So I would rather make 2 animist and have one for farming one for RVR rather than respec every time....even if respecs were free/cheap.
You typically can't even join a raid unless your 45+ and no reason to go to BG's at this point anyhow.
Leveling on Live was still a pita, but you could level somewhat quickly, like 4-6 hours if you solo'd through the BG's and less with PL's groups etc.
To me it brings a sense of boredom, and I end up just logging off. A lot of this for me is the 12 hour timer though.
I get sick of dying on my ranger and maybe want to level a BD or any other toon, because I just want a break from ranger etc. 12 hours?
Makes me just go ahhh....screw it I'll just play COD or SC or D3 or anything else for the rest of the night so I can start my other toon the next day.
Maybe the next day comes and I start leveling on Alb or some such thing and after 4 hours of leveling I want to do some RVR, nope. 12 more hours...

IMO I would have no issue playin something else for an hour say if I could come back after an hour and switch to another toon/realm. But at 12 hours eventually I'll just throw in the hat I think. Like I said, I perhaps am biased because of Live spoiled me with the ability to play all 3 realms.
And even on classic, I had Merlin/Gallahad/Lancelot to play all 3 realms, whenever I wanted....
A 1 hour timer would mostly stop the switching realms for this or that, but in all honesty...most that played live didn't really care too much.

TL/DR leveling sucks, improve speed, bring back BG's as fastest way to level. Allow cross-realm after 1 hour...

Fri 26 Apr 2019 5:33 PM by Ashenspire

You made the mistake in assuming that RvR is the only reason people play DAoC. That might be the reason for you, but this game stayed as healthy as it was for as long as it did because of casuals AND competitors pveing

Fri 26 Apr 2019 5:41 PM by cere2

Ashenspire wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 5:33 PM
You made the mistake in assuming that RvR is the only reason people play DAoC. That might be the reason for you, but this game stayed as healthy as it was for as long as it did because of casuals AND competitors pveing

What?
I don't think so. Who in their right mind would play Daoc for PVE. This is the worst of all the PVE games out there by so many levels it's not even close.
Maybe you would be correct in 2003-2005...but after WoW came out, no one would choose daoc for PVE only.
I love some PVE games like D2, D3, etc but no way would I ever call Daoc post 2004 enjoyable because of the PVE.
There are like 200 games out there with way better graphics/gameplay for PVE than this....

Fri 26 Apr 2019 5:52 PM by Ashenspire

cere2 wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 5:41 PM
Ashenspire wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 5:33 PM
You made the mistake in assuming that RvR is the only reason people play DAoC. That might be the reason for you, but this game stayed as healthy as it was for as long as it did because of casuals AND competitors pveing

What?
I don't think so. Who in their right mind would play Daoc for PVE. This is the worst of all the PVE games out there by so many levels it's not even close.
Maybe you would be correct in 2003-2005...but after WoW came out, no one would choose daoc for PVE only.
I love some PVE games like D2, D3, etc but no way would I ever call Daoc post 2004 enjoyable because of the PVE.
There are like 200 games out there with way better graphics/gameplay for PVE than this....

Neat opinion, buddy. There's a reason the most popular classes are what they are at any given time.

Fri 26 Apr 2019 5:55 PM by paul_g

Can I have your stuff?

Fri 26 Apr 2019 6:01 PM by cere2

Ashenspire wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 5:52 PM
cere2 wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 5:41 PM
Ashenspire wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 5:33 PM
You made the mistake in assuming that RvR is the only reason people play DAoC. That might be the reason for you, but this game stayed as healthy as it was for as long as it did because of casuals AND competitors pveing

What?
I don't think so. Who in their right mind would play Daoc for PVE. This is the worst of all the PVE games out there by so many levels it's not even close.
Maybe you would be correct in 2003-2005...but after WoW came out, no one would choose daoc for PVE only.
I love some PVE games like D2, D3, etc but no way would I ever call Daoc post 2004 enjoyable because of the PVE.
There are like 200 games out there with way better graphics/gameplay for PVE than this....

Neat opinion, buddy. There's a reason the most popular classes are what they are at any given time.

You are certainly right about that bud. People have to farm here to get stuff. Even if I don't like it, on here I have to have farm toons too! Crazy stuff

Fri 26 Apr 2019 6:20 PM by kratoxin

I work 8-5pm EST Monday-Friday and have a 6m/o daughter i take care of till around 8:00pm before she goes to bed. i have 2 lvl 50s in 3 weeks and rvring etc... just have to have the push to move forward instead of being frustrated about leveling.. yes leveling sucks and you want to get going on end game things but once you get there you are forever relieved and can enjoy the game however you wish.

i only have like 2-4 hours of game time a day "if that"

Fri 26 Apr 2019 6:47 PM by Ashenspire

Yeah, super crazy to think that PvE keeps this game going.

Fri 26 Apr 2019 7:03 PM by cere2

Ashenspire wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 6:47 PM
Yeah, super crazy to think that PvE keeps this game going.

So let me get this straight, if they removed the entire RVR concept of DAoC, you think there would still be anything close to the population now?

If so, I have nothing further to comment to this.

Fri 26 Apr 2019 7:05 PM by Roto23

MaxiHori wrote: ↑
Thu 25 Apr 2019 8:07 PM
I've tried a couple of chars, took them to 34-35 and quit the game.
The pve seems great but it's the pvp the reason why I love daoc and I didn't even see it in a week, the only fun that I had was leeching level 50 players in rvr.
And what happens if I want to try multiple chars?

The game was bearable with battlegrounds, but they don't exists here. I'm an adult now, the few hours that you are requiring now to level up are nothing compared to classic daoc I know, but they are still too much for someone who already have a job.

Anyway just my 2cents, good luck with the server, was one of the best that I've seen.

Can I have your stuff?

Fri 26 Apr 2019 7:19 PM by Ashenspire

cere2 wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 7:03 PM
Ashenspire wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 6:47 PM
Yeah, super crazy to think that PvE keeps this game going.

So let me get this straight, if they removed the entire RVR concept of DAoC, you think there would still be anything close to the population now?

If so, I have nothing further to comment to this.

Yeah you're right. Live didn't have a server with no pvp whatsoever or anything. Everyone knows how quickly that server died.

Fri 26 Apr 2019 11:54 PM by cere2

Ashenspire wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 7:19 PM
cere2 wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 7:03 PM
Ashenspire wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Apr 2019 6:47 PM
Yeah, super crazy to think that PvE keeps this game going.

So let me get this straight, if they removed the entire RVR concept of DAoC, you think there would still be anything close to the population now?

If so, I have nothing further to comment to this.

Yeah you're right. Live didn't have a server with no pvp whatsoever or anything. Everyone knows how quickly that server died.

What Gaheris? Co-Op? Thanks for proving my point. Gaheris died long long before live did.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 8:17 AM by Vkejai

I agree , there should be a test server. Even Genesis had a test server ffs.

Mon 29 Apr 2019 6:55 PM by Kappu

So I think everyone is missing the entire point of this server. Most people that are playing want that nostalgia of playing vanilla DAoC and that didn't mean they just wanted to RvR they wanted to revisit the old locations and leveling spots. The dev team and creators knew nobody liked the old 1-50 grind so they sped it up to under 24 hours played to get to 50 which is pretty fucking impressive if you ever actually played pre-Shrouded Isles.

There are numerous people that play this game on this server for the PvE aspect (I do combine sieging of keeps as PvE). If nobody came here for the PvE aspect you'd not have a single epic item from TG, Galla or Sidi...... They play it because of the community and leading people through zones that otherwise wouldn't be getting used. I guess you never went on an old TG raid that lasted 12 hours.

RvR is definitely why some people are playing this game and some of those people don't want to PvE, but to have a healthy game you've got to force them to do it and the ones that cry about it either never played classic and knew how hard it was to level. The point of the PvE is giving you the idea that you achieved 50 and now get to roam freely through Emain. You'd be PvEing even if you could /level 50 to get TG items and money for templates and RoGs.

To those who have jobs, families and feel like it's impossible to grind to 50..... Well, guess what you are with probably 75+% of the community and dare I say more like 90% because I was in my late teens-mid twenties playing this and now I'm in that same boat. I can manage to 1-50 in under 24 hours and with all the XP bonuses on mobs and XP items do a little research and stop crying.

The game is nostalgic leveling was fun, I enjoyed it especially getting reacquainted with the classes and RvR has been nothing but a blast since I hit 50.