Nerf PA on Tank classes.. - Phoenix Freeshard

Seriously.. NO SB/NS/Infi should kill an Shieldtank with 50 Shield full temped in 1 PA combo..

I mean every class has his good target and bad targets..
and Tanks SHOULDNT BE killed easily by stealthers.. especially if your only chance to survive this bullshit ist Purge..

Fri 5 Apr 2019 12:36 AM by Joc

Which shield tank? Some classes with shields don't have very high HP.

Perf damage seems to be about right on all classes right now.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 12:41 AM by Freudinio

This server is a stealthers paradise

Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:09 AM by Cirath

It is a stealthers paradise, but not for the reasons you would think. The good players on tanks destroy stealthers. Isn't even close.

No, this server is a stealthers paradise because it is absolutely OVERFLOWING with noobs. Wolves need sheep, and Phoenix has alot of sheep.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:17 AM by Mauriac

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 12:11 AM
Seriously.. NO SB/NS/Infi should kill an Shieldtank with 50 Shield full temped in 1 PA combo..

I mean every class has his good target and bad targets..
and Tanks SHOULDNT BE killed easily by stealthers.. especially if your only chance to survive this bullshit ist Purge..

Run buffs. The scenario you're describing sounds like a fully buffed sin vs an unbuffed tank. I can tell you the times I've PAed fully buffed tanks its kind of obvious because their hp barely moves and they usually block CD

Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:28 AM by dbeattie71

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 12:11 AM
Seriously.. NO SB/NS/Infi should kill an Shieldtank with 50 Shield full temped in 1 PA combo..

I mean every class has his good target and bad targets..
and Tanks SHOULDNT BE killed easily by stealthers.. especially if your only chance to survive this bullshit ist Purge..

Put armor on.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:08 AM by ughsmash

So far I cannot agree with nerfing PA. Most shield tanks are a loss if they purge. If they dont purge there are a lot of them that can still win. One of the things to take into consideration is the following:

Assassins spec for 1v1 so at a lower RR we already have mop/viper/aug strength

Tanks should be getting Det9 and Purge 2 immediately which puts you way behind at the start.

Also keep in mind all the stealthers are running red buff str/con and dex/qui, so make sure you are too.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 5:58 AM by Sepplord

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 12:11 AM
Seriously.. NO SB/NS/Infi should kill an Shieldtank with 50 Shield full temped in 1 PA combo..

I mean every class has his good target and bad targets..
and Tanks SHOULDNT BE killed easily by stealthers.. especially if your only chance to survive this bullshit ist Purge..

This sounds as if you were unbuffed or untemped, maybe both

Could you clarify what the circumstances were?

Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:51 AM by Menfany

Cirath wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:09 AM
It is a stealthers paradise, but not for the reasons you would think. The good players on tanks destroy stealthers. Isn't even close.

No, this server is a stealthers paradise because it is absolutely OVERFLOWING with noobs. Wolves need sheep, and Phoenix has alot of sheep.

How a "good player on tanks" can destroy a stealther if all you see is an PA+combo and the realease button?
On a tank i should at least survive this..
If Purge is the only way to survive an stealther attack as tank.. it has NOTHINGm to do how good or bad i am...

Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:52 AM by Menfany

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:28 AM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 12:11 AM
Seriously.. NO SB/NS/Infi should kill an Shieldtank with 50 Shield full temped in 1 PA combo..

I mean every class has his good target and bad targets..
and Tanks SHOULDNT BE killed easily by stealthers.. especially if your only chance to survive this bullshit ist Purge..

Put armor on.

Typical bullshit reply..
I said in my post i have 50 shield and an capped SC armor..

Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:56 AM by Menfany

ughsmash wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:08 AM
So far I cannot agree with nerfing PA. Most shield tanks are a loss if they purge. If they dont purge there are a lot of them that can still win. One of the things to take into consideration is the following:

Assassins spec for 1v1 so at a lower RR we already have mop/viper/aug strength
Tanks should be getting Det9 and Purge 2 immediately which puts you way behind at the start.
Also keep in mind all the stealthers are running red buff str/con and dex/qui, so make sure you are too.

"Most shield tanks are a loss if they purge."
And THIS is the POINT!
How in the world.. a tank HAS to have Purge to even have a CHANCE to REACT on a stealther attack?
Tanks should be a hard target for stealther.. no matter what RAs they own...

Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:58 AM by Menfany

Mauriac wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:17 AM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 12:11 AM
Seriously.. NO SB/NS/Infi should kill an Shieldtank with 50 Shield full temped in 1 PA combo..

I mean every class has his good target and bad targets..
and Tanks SHOULDNT BE killed easily by stealthers.. especially if your only chance to survive this bullshit ist Purge..

Run buffs. The scenario you're describing sounds like a fully buffed sin vs an unbuffed tank. I can tell you the times I've PAed fully buffed tanks its kind of obvious because their hp barely moves and they usually block CD

So you seriously think and Tank HAS to have buffs all the time to survive an PA combo?
we dont even talk about an "fight" here.. its just an PA combo!

And dont say "usually".. i never blocked an CD.. with 50 shield...

Fri 5 Apr 2019 8:04 AM by Sepplord

run buffpotions and laugh at stealthers incing you
Landing PA doesn't stun you btw. you can slam them before they CD-stun you, IF they even land it since you can block it with a pretty high chance
Even if they land PA+CD and then positional-style you for the stun duration you should not be dead already.

Everyone here with half a brain knows that you are intentionally leaving out information and dodging the questions about it:

if you are dieing to a PA-combo you are doing something wrong.
My money would be on you running without buffpotions/charges

In DAoC a buffed anything will faceroll a unbuffed anything in 9/10cases...that has nothing to do with classbalance

EDIT:

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:58 AM
So you seriously think and Tank HAS to have buffs all the time to survive an PA combo?
we dont even talk about an "fight" here.. its just an PA combo!

And dont say "usually".. i never blocked an CD.. with 50 shield...

Ok, so you being unbuffed confirmed

/thread

and yeah "usually blocking CD" happens when you are buffed.

You seem to not realise that fighting unbuffed VS buffed is similar to fighting without stats on your equip VS temped

Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:21 AM by Menfany

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 8:04 AM
run buffpotions and laugh at stealthers incing you
Landing PA doesn't stun you btw. you can slam them before they CD-stun you, IF they even land it since you can block it with a pretty high chance
Even if they land PA+CD and then positional-style you for the stun duration you should not be dead already.

Everyone here with half a brain knows that you are intentionally leaving out information and dodging the questions about it:

if you are dieing to a PA-combo you are doing something wrong.
My money would be on you running without buffpotions/charges

In DAoC a buffed anything will faceroll a unbuffed anything in 9/10cases...that has nothing to do with classbalance

EDIT:

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:58 AM
So you seriously think and Tank HAS to have buffs all the time to survive an PA combo?
we dont even talk about an "fight" here.. its just an PA combo!

And dont say "usually".. i never blocked an CD.. with 50 shield...

Ok, so you being unbuffed confirmed

/thread

and yeah "usually blocking CD" happens when you are buffed.

You seem to not realise that fighting unbuffed VS buffed is similar to fighting without stats on your equip VS temped

just bullshit..
a PA combo NEVER should kill a Tank at full hp before he is out of stun... NEVER.. not under any circumstance.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:26 AM by Ceen

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:21 AM
just bullshit..
a PA combo NEVER should kill a Tank at full hp before he is out of stun... NEVER.. not under any circumstance.

You should NEVER not under any circumstance run unbuffed and solo in an RvR zone

Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:43 AM by Sepplord

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:21 AM
just bullshit..
a PA combo NEVER should kill a Tank at full hp before he is out of stun... NEVER.. not under any circumstance.

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

You are ofcourse free to that opinion, but that's just not how DAoC works regarding the strength of Buffs

Fri 5 Apr 2019 11:20 AM by gnefner

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:21 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 8:04 AM
run buffpotions and laugh at stealthers incing you
Landing PA doesn't stun you btw. you can slam them before they CD-stun you, IF they even land it since you can block it with a pretty high chance
Even if they land PA+CD and then positional-style you for the stun duration you should not be dead already.

Everyone here with half a brain knows that you are intentionally leaving out information and dodging the questions about it:

if you are dieing to a PA-combo you are doing something wrong.
My money would be on you running without buffpotions/charges

In DAoC a buffed anything will faceroll a unbuffed anything in 9/10cases...that has nothing to do with classbalance

EDIT:

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:58 AM
So you seriously think and Tank HAS to have buffs all the time to survive an PA combo?
we dont even talk about an "fight" here.. its just an PA combo!

And dont say "usually".. i never blocked an CD.. with 50 shield...

Ok, so you being unbuffed confirmed

/thread

and yeah "usually blocking CD" happens when you are buffed.

You seem to not realise that fighting unbuffed VS buffed is similar to fighting without stats on your equip VS temped

just bullshit..
a PA combo NEVER should kill a Tank at full hp before he is out of stun... NEVER.. not under any circumstance.

Let's say it's a thrust specce'd Inf, with some dps passives, fully buffed, vs. a chain wearing "tank." we stll don't know which tanks you're playing, who is unbuffd; Yes, he could absolutely destroy you within CD stun duration. Nothing new here..

Like already stated multiple times in this thread.. Unbuffed vs buffed spells doom for the unbuffed 9/10 times.. Unless the buffed guy screws up really, really bad..

Fri 5 Apr 2019 11:21 AM by Cirath

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:51 AM
Cirath wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:09 AM
It is a stealthers paradise, but not for the reasons you would think. The good players on tanks destroy stealthers. Isn't even close.

No, this server is a stealthers paradise because it is absolutely OVERFLOWING with noobs. Wolves need sheep, and Phoenix has alot of sheep.

How a "good player on tanks" can destroy a stealther if all you see is an PA+combo and the realease button?
On a tank i should at least survive this..
If Purge is the only way to survive an stealther attack as tank.. it has NOTHINGm to do how good or bad i am...

Because no temped and buffed tank above RR 2 is getting 3-shot by PA combo, and CD is blocked/parried/evaded more often than not here. Freaking MINSTRELS evade CD sometimes... If you are being 3-shot by PA combo as a shield tank regularly, you aren't temped or running buffs. P.S. being cheap and only running a combined forces pot doesn't count.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 11:26 AM by Cirath

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 8:04 AM
run buffpotions and laugh at stealthers incing you
Landing PA doesn't stun you btw. you can slam them before they CD-stun you, IF they even land it since you can block it with a pretty high chance
Even if they land PA+CD and then positional-style you for the stun duration you should not be dead already.

Everyone here with half a brain knows that you are intentionally leaving out information and dodging the questions about it:

if you are dieing to a PA-combo you are doing something wrong.
My money would be on you running without buffpotions/charges

In DAoC a buffed anything will faceroll a unbuffed anything in 9/10cases...that has nothing to do with classbalance

EDIT:

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:58 AM
So you seriously think and Tank HAS to have buffs all the time to survive an PA combo?
we dont even talk about an "fight" here.. its just an PA combo!

And dont say "usually".. i never blocked an CD.. with 50 shield...

Ok, so you being unbuffed confirmed

/thread

and yeah "usually blocking CD" happens when you are buffed.

You seem to not realise that fighting unbuffed VS buffed is similar to fighting without stats on your equip VS temped

Looks like we found a member of the flock. There are alot of them. As usual the thinking is they should have already won every fight on the character creation screen..... When that turns out not to be the case it's off to the forums, hence the 10k whine posts seen on a daily basis.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 11:28 AM by Padatoo

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:21 AM
just bullshit..
a PA combo NEVER should kill a Tank at full hp before he is out of stun... NEVER.. not under any circumstance.

You are being stupid and incompetent - ofcourse running unbuffed will get you killed quickly!

106 con difference is how much - 450-500 hp? - That is more then a PA dmg to a tank.Also you need purge5 if you go out Solo.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 11:34 AM by qq6

I'd love to see a fully buffed tank + 50 shield / fully temped getting full PA chain... give pics, i do not believe. Even at the lowest RR, you should survive, granted if you stick around you will be destroyed vs a higher RR player, but still, i dont believe in 1 shots on tanks. I would love pics, even vs your own assassins.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 12:41 PM by Menfany

Ceen wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:26 AM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:21 AM
just bullshit..
a PA combo NEVER should kill a Tank at full hp before he is out of stun... NEVER.. not under any circumstance.
You should NEVER not under any circumstance run unbuffed and solo in an RvR zone

bullshit.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 12:43 PM by Joc

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 12:41 PM
Ceen wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:26 AM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:21 AM
just bullshit..
a PA combo NEVER should kill a Tank at full hp before he is out of stun... NEVER.. not under any circumstance.
You should NEVER not under any circumstance run unbuffed and solo in an RvR zone

bullshit.

If you're running unbuffed in an rvr zone looking to rvr... well that's just stupid.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:01 PM by Menfany

qq6 wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 11:34 AM
I'd love to see a fully buffed tank + 50 shield / fully temped getting full PA chain... give pics, i do not believe. Even at the lowest RR, you should survive, granted if you stick around you will be destroyed vs a higher RR player, but still, i dont believe in 1 shots on tanks. I would love pics, even vs your own assassins.

why you have to be full buffed? against an SB? As tank? die in one combo? stunned?
Thats now how a fight between an SB and Tank should work..

Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:25 PM by qq6

Sure why not, am sure its easy enough to get an assassin to duel u 2 times, could some alb be kind enough to do it? unbuffed vs buffed pics? Am sure you will survive both, its 2-3 hits, not going to take ur whole hp off.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:37 PM by SaintRon

Why are you leaving out what class you are playing?

"Tank" isn't a class here. A Thane vs a Warrior are both tanks, but the Thane will be squishier even with a shield.

Also if the assassin is buffed and you're not... And you're a lower RR rank you should lose hard.

You're an adult right? You know what lying through omission is right?

Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:04 PM by Nildain

Buffs make a huge difference in this game, so don't expect to do great in 1v1 without buffs, that's just the way it is.

To be honest, on my Champion I almost never get CDd even if an assassin lands PA. I can usually just slam them before they land it.

I have about 1750~ HP or so buffed and PAs usually don't do more than 400 to me. Plus depending on the order of operations their S/C debuffs will almost sort of nullify their PA damage because of how debuffs work. Ideally they'd have their S/C on you before PA hits but they can't apply in that order unless there are two of them or something.

Anyway, tanks are great versus assassins especially if you're solo specced. You'd probably get wrecked if you're RR4 versus a RR9 SB or something, but that seems fine to me. Be thankful when you manage to get a 1v1 versus a stealther (or anyone) on this server as a visible. It's unfortunately really rare.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:04 PM by dbeattie71

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:52 AM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:28 AM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 12:11 AM
Seriously.. NO SB/NS/Infi should kill an Shieldtank with 50 Shield full temped in 1 PA combo..

I mean every class has his good target and bad targets..
and Tanks SHOULDNT BE killed easily by stealthers.. especially if your only chance to survive this bullshit ist Purge..

Put armor on.
Typical bullshit reply..
I said in my post i have 50 shield and an capped SC armor..

Then stand up. You got PA/CD and died from that fully sc'd? Something is off.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:15 PM by Rexoo

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 12:11 AM
Seriously.. NO SB/NS/Infi should kill an Shieldtank with 50 Shield full temped in 1 PA combo..

I mean every class has his good target and bad targets..
and Tanks SHOULDNT BE killed easily by stealthers.. especially if your only chance to survive this bullshit ist Purge.

Good luck with that " Hope " It's been like that, since the beginning, (And alot of other "WOOOOT" designs). And even after so many years, the new dev team of - Let's make daoc great again - do the same "BIBIBIBIB" all over again... Make one think right

PS: But u are so right - Not with the shield only thing - Now that lame skill is in the game - Sided with stealth, vanis and purge to a stealther class. It should have been more like this (On basic dps: PA on cloth = max dps/minus 15% dps - on leather = max dps/minus 25% dps - on chain = max dps/minus 35% dps - on scale = max dps/minus 45% dps - on plate = max dps/minus 55% dps.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:06 PM by Menfany

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:04 PM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 7:52 AM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:28 AM
Put armor on.
Typical bullshit reply..
I said in my post i have 50 shield and an capped SC armor..

Then stand up. You got PA/CD and died from that fully sc'd? Something is off.

nope. its not.. and thats the problem.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:13 PM by Cirath

Nildain wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:04 PM
Buffs make a huge difference in this game, so don't expect to do great in 1v1 without buffs, that's just the way it is.

To be honest, on my Champion I almost never get CDd even if an assassin lands PA. I can usually just slam them before they land it.

I have about 1750~ HP or so buffed and PAs usually don't do more than 400 to me. Plus depending on the order of operations their S/C debuffs will almost sort of nullify their PA damage because of how debuffs work. Ideally they'd have their S/C on you before PA hits but they can't apply in that order unless there are two of them or something.

Anyway, tanks are great versus assassins especially if you're solo specced. You'd probably get wrecked if you're RR4 versus a RR9 SB or something, but that seems fine to me. Be thankful when you manage to get a 1v1 versus a stealther (or anyone) on this server as a visible. It's unfortunately really rare.

See, here is a good tank. If he doesn't slam you before CD, it will just be blocked/parried/evaded anyways. I get 1 chance at stunning him, he gets 6 to 10 chances to slam me.
Im not going to evade them all. Once slammed, if I dont purge, I am dead. If I do purge out come the debuffs and i'm really in trouble. He has heal pots, charges, IP, and ST in case he needs them. I suppose I could vanish, but what kind of dope vanishes from a 1v1, especially one they initiated? When I want a quick port back to the pk, I inc Nildain.

A high RR champ is a very bad matchup for a shadowblade. As is a Thane. Or a Reaver. Or Blademaster. Or a Friar... Most tanks will just concede the PA in the hope of getting an assasin to inc them. They know avoiding the CD is easy, they have purge if by some miracle it happens to land, and they know assasins are easy meat after that.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:15 PM by Menfany

Nildain wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:04 PM
Buffs make a huge difference in this game, so don't expect to do great in 1v1 without buffs, that's just the way it is.

To be honest, on my Champion I almost never get CDd even if an assassin lands PA. I can usually just slam them before they land it.

I have about 1750~ HP or so buffed and PAs usually don't do more than 400 to me. Plus depending on the order of operations their S/C debuffs will almost sort of nullify their PA damage because of how debuffs work. Ideally they'd have their S/C on you before PA hits but they can't apply in that order unless there are two of them or something.

Anyway, tanks are great versus assassins especially if you're solo specced. You'd probably get wrecked if you're RR4 versus a RR9 SB or something, but that seems fine to me. Be thankful when you manage to get a 1v1 versus a stealther (or anyone) on this server as a visible. It's unfortunately really rare.

I knoiw buffs make a huge difference.. but still.. in NO WAY a SB should be able to this to an 50 shield tank full hp in 1 combo while you stunned the whole time... never ever.

I dont know how many points you have in Shield.. but 51 should be enough..
btw.. he evaded my slam..

"You'd probably get wrecked if you're RR4 versus a RR9 SB or something, but that seems fine to me."
Im RR5.. he was 6L8.. and its NEVER EVER... under ANY circumstances fine when an SB kills a Shield tank in PA combo while stunned the whole time..
Thats not how this Stealther vs Tank fights should work.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:18 PM by Cirath

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:15 PM
its NEVER EVER... under ANY circumstances fine when an SB kills a Shield tank in PA combo while stunned the whole time..
Thats not how this Stealther vs Tank fights should work.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:22 PM by cuuchulain79

Try fighting SBs that have dodger3 and 50% block penetration instead of 25%...and life bane hits in reapplication...and they alone get 75 str/con buff.

Lol @ Phoenix tanks. Buncha weenies.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 4:22 PM by Saroi

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:15 PM
Nildain wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:04 PM
Buffs make a huge difference in this game, so don't expect to do great in 1v1 without buffs, that's just the way it is.

To be honest, on my Champion I almost never get CDd even if an assassin lands PA. I can usually just slam them before they land it.

I have about 1750~ HP or so buffed and PAs usually don't do more than 400 to me. Plus depending on the order of operations their S/C debuffs will almost sort of nullify their PA damage because of how debuffs work. Ideally they'd have their S/C on you before PA hits but they can't apply in that order unless there are two of them or something.

Anyway, tanks are great versus assassins especially if you're solo specced. You'd probably get wrecked if you're RR4 versus a RR9 SB or something, but that seems fine to me. Be thankful when you manage to get a 1v1 versus a stealther (or anyone) on this server as a visible. It's unfortunately really rare.

I knoiw buffs make a huge difference.. but still.. in NO WAY a SB should be able to this to an 50 shield tank full hp in 1 combo while you stunned the whole time... never ever.

I dont know how many points you have in Shield.. but 51 should be enough..
btw.. he evaded my slam..

"You'd probably get wrecked if you're RR4 versus a RR9 SB or something, but that seems fine to me."
Im RR5.. he was 6L8.. and its NEVER EVER... under ANY circumstances fine when an SB kills a Shield tank in PA combo while stunned the whole time..
Thats not how this Stealther vs Tank fights should work.

Seems you do not know how huge the difference in buffs is, when you refuse to run full buffed. You still didn't say what class you are. 50 shield tank? 50 in Shield just means you block more, doesn't mean you are unkillable or take less damage because you have more points into shield. If you get stunned, you take damage because you are not able to block. And light tanks are missing some hundred HP compared to the Real tanks.

It is like you are bringing a knife into a gunfight. Try running with full buffs and the AF Charge. You will see that it makes a huge difference. ANd it doesn't matter what class you play, if your enemy is fully buffed and you are unbuffed, you should and are easily killed.

Hitting people for 350-400 with PA is already low. So PA is already nerfed here.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 4:23 PM by Dominus

and, as a shield tank if you do survive and will most likely WIN the fight, the Sin just vanishes and you're stuck waiting on a 3 min disease to wear off.

Stealther's paradise indeed.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 5:18 PM by dbeattie71

qq6 wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 11:34 AM
I'd love to see a fully buffed tank + 50 shield / fully temped getting full PA chain... give pics, i do not believe. Even at the lowest RR, you should survive, granted if you stick around you will be destroyed vs a higher RR player, but still, i dont believe in 1 shots on tanks. I would love pics, even vs your own assassins.

The tank could be afk and get back in time not to die lol.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 5:19 PM by phixion

It's already nerfed, sometimes tank hp barely moves after the PA chain.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 5:19 PM by phixion

Dominus wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 4:23 PM
and, as a shield tank if you do survive and will most likely WIN the fight, the Sin just vanishes and you're stuck waiting on a 3 min disease to wear off.

Stealther's paradise indeed.

And when wasn't this the case in DAoC?

How about tanks blocking everything?

How about slam?

How about being slammed and killed in 4 hits?

Fri 5 Apr 2019 5:29 PM by semadin

Or we could remove the ability for assassins to run around buffed all by themselves

Fri 5 Apr 2019 5:32 PM by stinsfire

Why the hell do I hardly ever block PA followup stun on my thane when people here are claiming it gets blocked everytime? Does it have a special block rate? Against dual wield I have a blockrate of 20-25% iirc. That is not most of the time statistically. I also struggle to land slam before their followup if they are buffed and use fast weapons. And if I do, they use 5 min purge anyway. in 90% of all fights the assa will purge my stun. The other 10% i have a ver high chance of winning. Either 2h to his back or snare and kite. But I hardly ever block the followup stun.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 8:22 PM by Fooj Fujiyama

stinsfire wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 5:32 PM
Why the hell do I hardly ever block PA followup stun on my thane when people here are claiming it gets blocked everytime? Does it have a special block rate? Against dual wield I have a blockrate of 20-25% iirc. That is not most of the time statistically. I also struggle to land slam before their followup if they are buffed and use fast weapons. And if I do, they use 5 min purge anyway. in 90% of all fights the assa will purge my stun. The other 10% i have a ver high chance of winning. Either 2h to his back or snare and kite. But I hardly ever block the followup stun.

It's probably just that they are much higher rank than you bud, most of the assassins on here were already rr5-8 when they finally fixed the poison thing. I call that being boosted if you ask me. You will probably just have to get some ranks to try and compete, although it will take you much longer since you can't just peace out every 15 minutes to avoid death for your mistakes.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 9:15 PM by micinskib

This is pointless. He's basically confirmed he runs unbuffed. He likely isnt using potions either. We dont know his RR. So he may have bought poor RA's to start out (through no fault of his own - he may not have known any better - which is fine - but doesnt help his situtation), he refuses to tell us exactly what class he's playing still, hasnt specified the class against him, is likely solo, and in a few threads back when people keep giving him good advice and say slam before CD because thats what a GOOD and fast tank on a keyboard would do - he says:

(paraphrasing) "oh and he evaded the slam"

So what the hell is exactly your problem? You sound like your describing one very isolated instance where you not only went in unbuffed, but also got unlucky with an evade too? Even when people give you good solid advice to try and help you say oh it was evaded?

If you can't stop complaining and actually give everyone here your class and all the real information about what exactly is going on you just need to stop right now. Because know one can give you real/actual constructive and helpful criticism without more information.

I seriously doubt you are dying over and over and over and over and over every single time to a stealth player 1v1. If you are...you need to give us much more information so we can help you out better. Otherwise, it sounds like you're complaining over an isolated instance where you got really unlucky and you just have this fantasy in your head that because your a "tank" and hes a light armor wearer then it should play like a simple game of chess where you always trump that situation and win. It's not that simple.

Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:55 PM by Mauriac

Cirath wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 3:13 PM
Nildain wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:04 PM
Buffs make a huge difference in this game, so don't expect to do great in 1v1 without buffs, that's just the way it is.

To be honest, on my Champion I almost never get CDd even if an assassin lands PA. I can usually just slam them before they land it.

I have about 1750~ HP or so buffed and PAs usually don't do more than 400 to me. Plus depending on the order of operations their S/C debuffs will almost sort of nullify their PA damage because of how debuffs work. Ideally they'd have their S/C on you before PA hits but they can't apply in that order unless there are two of them or something.

Anyway, tanks are great versus assassins especially if you're solo specced. You'd probably get wrecked if you're RR4 versus a RR9 SB or something, but that seems fine to me. Be thankful when you manage to get a 1v1 versus a stealther (or anyone) on this server as a visible. It's unfortunately really rare.

See, here is a good tank. If he doesn't slam you before CD, it will just be blocked/parried/evaded anyways. I get 1 chance at stunning him, he gets 6 to 10 chances to slam me.
Im not going to evade them all. Once slammed, if I dont purge, I am dead. If I do purge out come the debuffs and i'm really in trouble. He has heal pots, charges, IP, and ST in case he needs them. I suppose I could vanish, but what kind of dope vanishes from a 1v1, especially one they initiated? When I want a quick port back to the pk, I inc Nildain.

A high RR champ is a very bad matchup for a shadowblade. As is a Thane. Or a Reaver. Or Blademaster. Or a Friar... Most tanks will just concede the PA in the hope of getting an assasin to inc them. They know avoiding the CD is easy, they have purge if by some miracle it happens to land, and they know assasins are easy meat after that.

I tried my luck vs an r9 merc yesterday because he was at 65% to start the fight. I hit PA, he slammed, popped flurry and 4 shot me. Lesson learned

Sat 6 Apr 2019 12:06 AM by Quik

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 12:41 PM
Ceen wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:26 AM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 10:21 AM
just bullshit..
a PA combo NEVER should kill a Tank at full hp before he is out of stun... NEVER.. not under any circumstance.
You should NEVER not under any circumstance run unbuffed and solo in an RvR zone

bullshit.

I hate stealthers...WITH A PASSION!!!!

I would normally say you are right about a tank almost always winning against a stealthier...

Unfortunately when you admitted you weren't buffed you just lost this argument.

I played a Thane with almost fully SC'ed gear WITH buff pots and I never lost to an archer solo, and I lost to assassins about 25% of the time. I do consider myself a decent tank with all the changes to Thane on this server, but even I realize I need buffpots. If you want to go cheap you will die...period.

Sat 6 Apr 2019 10:34 AM by Menfany

This whole "Buff-discussion" is a waste of time..

There was 1!!! point made..

A Tank.. with full hp.. shield50+.. should NEVER get killed in 1 PA combo.. while stunned the whole time.

This shouldnt be possible.. no matter who is buffed, use RAs or anything.

Sat 6 Apr 2019 10:41 AM by HtGeist

Sounds like the con/ws debuff and weapon str/con debuff stacked nicely and unbuffed thats almost death in itself..coulda finished it off dual wielding wooden spoons after that...i do agree..dmg on stealthers is a tad too high..like the absorb of armors missing form dmg calculations..something is definately off..but tanks also missing the stuff from live that made em tanky tanks..fury/extra casted absorb etc. and rvr on visible with no speed or stealth..that ship sailed 1 week in,i believe.

Sat 6 Apr 2019 10:55 AM by Drominchen

Menfany wrote: ↑
Sat 6 Apr 2019 10:34 AM
This whole "Buff-discussion" is a waste of time..

There was 1!!! point made..

A Tank.. with full hp.. shield50+.. should NEVER get killed in 1 PA combo.. while stunned the whole time.

This shouldnt be possible.. no matter who is buffed, use RAs or anything.

wrong. max buffs give you 101 con (and str/dex) max temp gives you 75 con (and str/dex). so why would you make assumptions based on class only and leave buffs out of equation? buffs are stronger then your temp stats. Buffed vs unbuffed is a even more disadvantage then temped vs untemped!

normal inc as nightshade vs mid tank is around 400 pa + 1xx cd + 3-5 styles 90-120 damage. if you get killed by that 800-1100 damage you have 0 buffs (and most likely not a full temp) and it is your own fault. forces buff pot is around 5g per use for 10 min buffs...

Sat 6 Apr 2019 11:59 AM by Sepplord

Menfany wrote: ↑
Sat 6 Apr 2019 10:34 AM
This whole "Buff-discussion" is a waste of time..

There was 1!!! point made..

A Tank.. with full hp.. shield50+.. should NEVER get killed in 1 PA combo.. while stunned the whole time.

This shouldnt be possible.. no matter who is buffed, use RAs or anything.

That point was adressed multiple times, you just dont like the answer.
The Buff discussion is showing you how to change the Situation you dont like, if that is "a waste of time" to you then i think we have found the root cause of your dissapointment

Sat 6 Apr 2019 1:30 PM by Numatic

Menfany wrote: ↑
Sat 6 Apr 2019 10:34 AM
This whole "Buff-discussion" is a waste of time..

There was 1!!! point made..

A Tank.. with full hp.. shield50+.. should NEVER get killed in 1 PA combo.. while stunned the whole time.

This shouldnt be possible.. no matter who is buffed, use RAs or anything.

Buff pots are a necessity here. As well you would do well to run with at LEAST an AF charge up also. I know assasins who run 3-4 charges at all times (75 str/con, dex/qui , spec AF etc.)

A fully buffed sin like that will mess up an unbuffed tank. Especially one who thinks that it shouldn't. It shows your inexperience and likely you have a very limited grasp on combat. Those buffs increase their weapons kill dramatically, which drastically reduces your defenses.

PA on this server is perfectly fine. I PA chain wearers (pierce ns) for sub 300. They in turn whack me with a 2h for 350+. And considering they still have more HP than me after I PA them, it's anything but easy. They also have IP, and with that max that requires me to kill them twice if they have heal pots and legion heal charge.

Any decent tank with his RA's up after RR5 shouldn't have much issue against a Sin.

Sat 6 Apr 2019 2:08 PM by Freudinio

Cirath wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 1:09 AM
It is a stealthers paradise, but not for the reasons you would think. The good players on tanks destroy stealthers. Isn't even close.

No, this server is a stealthers paradise because it is absolutely OVERFLOWING with noobs. Wolves need sheep, and Phoenix has alot of sheep.

Sure. Also vanish.

Sat 6 Apr 2019 2:46 PM by Yokahu

Menfany wrote: ↑
Sat 6 Apr 2019 10:34 AM
This whole "Buff-discussion" is a waste of time..

There was 1!!! point made..

A Tank.. with full hp.. shield50+.. should NEVER get killed in 1 PA combo.. while stunned the whole time.

This shouldnt be possible.. no matter who is buffed, use RAs or anything.

A shield50+ tank is not going to block if stunned; so that argument is worthless.

Sun 7 Apr 2019 7:13 PM by Menfany

Funny everyone suggest what "possibly" went wrong..

In Fact.. i was full hp.. i even RESISTED 1 poison.. he EVADED my Slam.. and i was dead before the stun from CD went of.. with 1420hp.. full temped.. 56points on shield(i didnt blocked any attack) and Chain armor..
If you going to tell me its "perfectly fine" that this is possible.. you either play stealther.. or you have a very special opinion HOW a fight between an stealther and an tank should work out.

Anyways.. i think the Dev got the problem and will work on it..
thx and bye.

Sun 7 Apr 2019 7:51 PM by Riac

Menfany wrote: ↑
Sun 7 Apr 2019 7:13 PM
Funny everyone suggest what "possibly" went wrong..

In Fact.. i was full hp.. i even RESISTED 1 poison.. he EVADED my Slam.. and i was dead before the stun from CD went of.. with 1420hp.. full temped.. 56points on shield(i didnt blocked any attack) and Chain armor..
If you going to tell me its "perfectly fine" that this is possible.. you either play stealther.. or you have a very special opinion HOW a fight between an stealther and an tank should work out.

Anyways.. i think the Dev got the problem and will work on it..
thx and bye.

so no buffs? was this a blade or pierce stealther? i can def see a situation where he is pierce (+10% dmg) +75 sc charge, +75d/q charge, 17% haste and some, s/c debuff on you, and top it off with some lucky mopain crits. compared to your no buffed hp, that is probably somewhere around 1100 after the s/c and shield skill that is useless when stunned. do yourself a favor and go buy a cf barrel.

Sun 7 Apr 2019 11:41 PM by Saroi

Menfany wrote: ↑
Sun 7 Apr 2019 7:13 PM
Funny everyone suggest what "possibly" went wrong..

In Fact.. i was full hp.. i even RESISTED 1 poison.. he EVADED my Slam.. and i was dead before the stun from CD went of.. with 1420hp.. full temped.. 56points on shield(i didnt blocked any attack) and Chain armor..
If you going to tell me its "perfectly fine" that this is possible.. you either play stealther.. or you have a very special opinion HOW a fight between an stealther and an tank should work out.

Anyways.. i think the Dev got the problem and will work on it..
thx and bye.

You can have 100 points in shield, if you get stunned you are not able to block anything. And do you really think Devs are going to change anything, because you refuse to run with buffs and think you should be able to have a chance? There is no problem here, sorry.

Without buffs you have a low Weaponskill, so stealther is likely to hit you more often and evade your attacks, especially because you will suffer more from the WS/Con debuff poison. I play both stealther and Tank, I mained a Warrior in SI/ToA times. If you think running unbuffed vs. a full buffed enemy and you should have a chance, than it is you who has a very special opinion on how this game works. Enough people already said go with buffs and charges. There are enough tanks who smashes Assassins.

PA damage is already low on this server. If this was classic/SI back in the day you would be faster dead with a PA hitting you for like 700 damage instead of the 350-400 damage it does here.

Mon 8 Apr 2019 3:02 AM by qq6

Give picccccccs, duel some ppl, takes 2 mins, post log screen. Also, i got more unbuffed hp than you, what gives. Also to block, you have to have your shield out right (totally tank noob here, never touched them)

Mon 8 Apr 2019 2:14 PM by Menfany

Saroi wrote: ↑
Sun 7 Apr 2019 11:41 PM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Sun 7 Apr 2019 7:13 PM
Funny everyone suggest what "possibly" went wrong..

In Fact.. i was full hp.. i even RESISTED 1 poison.. he EVADED my Slam.. and i was dead before the stun from CD went of.. with 1420hp.. full temped.. 56points on shield(i didnt blocked any attack) and Chain armor..
If you going to tell me its "perfectly fine" that this is possible.. you either play stealther.. or you have a very special opinion HOW a fight between an stealther and an tank should work out.

Anyways.. i think the Dev got the problem and will work on it..
thx and bye.

PA damage is already low on this server.

Get it... its about the stun and the dmg done while stunned.. to a tank.
Not about PA dmg...

Mon 8 Apr 2019 2:31 PM by Sepplord

You literally chose to name PA as they problem in your title ^^
But i don't think moving that one goalpost over to all the others that have already been moved changes much

Menfany wrote: ↑
Mon 8 Apr 2019 2:14 PM
Get it...

yes, please do

Wed 10 Apr 2019 2:33 PM by Amp_Phetamine

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 8 Apr 2019 2:31 PM
You literally chose to name PA as they problem in your title ^^
But i don't think moving that one goalpost over to all the others that have already been moved changes much

Menfany wrote: ↑
Mon 8 Apr 2019 2:14 PM
Get it...

yes, please do

I've taken a perf/cd followed by a second perf and still survived the stun on my Merc...

Dude you absolutely need to be running at least combined forces every time you leave the portal keep. Get a strength/con +75 charge as well. Do you have reactives on your armor? Are you "templated" in ROG's? I'm calling some major BS on this guy.

Wed 10 Apr 2019 6:31 PM by Menfany

Amp_Phetamine wrote: ↑
Wed 10 Apr 2019 2:33 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 8 Apr 2019 2:31 PM
You literally chose to name PA as they problem in your title ^^
But i don't think moving that one goalpost over to all the others that have already been moved changes much

Menfany wrote: ↑
Mon 8 Apr 2019 2:14 PM
Get it...

yes, please do

I've taken a perf/cd followed by a second perf and still survived the stun on my Merc...

Dude you absolutely need to be running at least combined forces every time you leave the portal keep. Get a strength/con +75 charge as well. Do you have reactives on your armor? Are you "templated" in ROG's? I'm calling some major BS on this guy.

Dude.. full templated.. with epic MHB/heal procs.. all stats capped..
Stop predicting such BS if you have no clue..

Wed 10 Apr 2019 6:34 PM by Amp_Phetamine

Menfany wrote: ↑
Wed 10 Apr 2019 6:31 PM
Amp_Phetamine wrote: ↑
Wed 10 Apr 2019 2:33 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 8 Apr 2019 2:31 PM
You literally chose to name PA as they problem in your title ^^
But i don't think moving that one goalpost over to all the others that have already been moved changes much

yes, please do

I've taken a perf/cd followed by a second perf and still survived the stun on my Merc...

Dude you absolutely need to be running at least combined forces every time you leave the portal keep. Get a strength/con +75 charge as well. Do you have reactives on your armor? Are you "templated" in ROG's? I'm calling some major BS on this guy.
Dude.. full templated.. with epic MHB/heal procs.. all stats capped..
Stop predicting such BS if you have no clue..

Well you aren't running combined forces buffs nor do you have +75 strength/con charge item for use either. The only thing I'm "predicting" is how a heavy tank takes less damage than my Mercenary lol. I've eaten a perf+cd followed by a second perf and still survived the stun.

Thu 11 Apr 2019 7:52 AM by Stimmed

Has to be a troll post. No way can this guy think hes right....

Tanks can do more then fine vs any sin purge up or down. Even more so if there RA speced for soloing heh.

Most stealthers wont even bother hitting a tank if they don't have purge up because if they land slam your dead. Now you complain about dieing in a stun. I can tell you an assassin will die within a slam on a decently played tank. So is that fair?

Lets look at this another way. Try running a buffed tank vs an un buffed assassin. Now let him full perf chain you I 100% guarantee you still win because hes buffless.

Prolly 80% of the time if its vs a Tank that's actually at his computer and not auto running I will not land CD. Block parry slam in between. And ill take that loss and put it in a video and enjoy the game. Because shit happens and you died in a RvR zone that's why we play this.

Fri 12 Apr 2019 4:54 AM by jhaerik

ughsmash wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:08 AM
So far I cannot agree with nerfing PA. Most shield tanks are a loss if they purge. If they dont purge there are a lot of them that can still win. One of the things to take into consideration is the following:

Assassins spec for 1v1 so at a lower RR we already have mop/viper/aug strength
Tanks should be getting Det9 and Purge 2 immediately which puts you way behind at the start.
Also keep in mind all the stealthers are running red buff str/con and dex/qui, so make sure you are too.

More like they purge, you vanish.. come back in 45 seconds and kill'em.... with your 4 other stealth buddies.

Fri 12 Apr 2019 5:00 AM by Riac

jhaerik wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 4:54 AM
ughsmash wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:08 AM
So far I cannot agree with nerfing PA. Most shield tanks are a loss if they purge. If they dont purge there are a lot of them that can still win. One of the things to take into consideration is the following:

Assassins spec for 1v1 so at a lower RR we already have mop/viper/aug strength
Tanks should be getting Det9 and Purge 2 immediately which puts you way behind at the start.
Also keep in mind all the stealthers are running red buff str/con and dex/qui, so make sure you are too.

More like they purge, you vanish.. come back in 45 seconds and kill'em.... with your 4 other stealth buddies.

buy a cf pot and quit bitching, these sorts of posts make you look reeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllll dumb

Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:18 AM by Sepplord

not standing around 30seconds and waiting for the assassin to reengage also helps a ton

Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:38 AM by jhaerik

Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 5:00 AM
jhaerik wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 4:54 AM
ughsmash wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Apr 2019 2:08 AM
So far I cannot agree with nerfing PA. Most shield tanks are a loss if they purge. If they dont purge there are a lot of them that can still win. One of the things to take into consideration is the following:

Assassins spec for 1v1 so at a lower RR we already have mop/viper/aug strength
Tanks should be getting Det9 and Purge 2 immediately which puts you way behind at the start.
Also keep in mind all the stealthers are running red buff str/con and dex/qui, so make sure you are too.

More like they purge, you vanish.. come back in 45 seconds and kill'em.... with your 4 other stealth buddies.

buy a cf pot and quit bitching, these sorts of posts make you look reeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllll dumb

Why would I buy a pot? Easier to just join the zerg and roll solos.

Not like I play one of the 9 classes that can actually solo on this server. (if you call archers "solo viable" that is.)

No speed of the hunt or hastener speed mounts = play one of those 9 or group, ya know?

Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:52 AM by Riac

jhaerik wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:38 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 5:00 AM
jhaerik wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 4:54 AM
More like they purge, you vanish.. come back in 45 seconds and kill'em.... with your 4 other stealth buddies.

buy a cf pot and quit bitching, these sorts of posts make you look reeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllll dumb

Why would I buy a pot? Easier to just join the zerg and roll solos.

Not like I play one of the 9 classes that can actually solo on this server. (if you call archers "solo viable" that is.)

No speed of the hunt or hastener speed mounts = play one of those 9 or group, ya know?

so you made this thread complaining about getting killed solo and then going to ask why bother soloing when its easier to zerg..... you sir, are a fucking idiot lol.

Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:58 AM by jhaerik

Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:52 AM
jhaerik wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:38 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 5:00 AM
buy a cf pot and quit bitching, these sorts of posts make you look reeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllll dumb

Why would I buy a pot? Easier to just join the zerg and roll solos.

Not like I play one of the 9 classes that can actually solo on this server. (if you call archers "solo viable" that is.)

No speed of the hunt or hastener speed mounts = play one of those 9 or group, ya know?

so you made this thread complaining about getting killed solo and then going to ask why bother soloing when its easier to zerg..... you sir, are a fucking idiot lol.

Follow these three steps.
Click first page.
Scroll to top.
Feel like an idiot.

(And just in case that went over your head, my name isn't Menfany)

Fri 12 Apr 2019 7:02 AM by Riac

jhaerik wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:58 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:52 AM
jhaerik wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:38 AM
Why would I buy a pot? Easier to just join the zerg and roll solos.

Not like I play one of the 9 classes that can actually solo on this server. (if you call archers "solo viable" that is.)

No speed of the hunt or hastener speed mounts = play one of those 9 or group, ya know?

so you made this thread complaining about getting killed solo and then going to ask why bother soloing when its easier to zerg..... you sir, are a fucking idiot lol.

Follow these three steps.
Click first page.
Scroll to top.
Feel like an idiot.

(And just in case that went over your head, my name isn't Menfany)

youre right here, its hard to tell you two apart i guess. both of you post such stupid shit.
btw sorry about quoting you w/o getting your consent first lmao

Fri 12 Apr 2019 9:54 AM by jhaerik

Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 7:02 AM
jhaerik wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:58 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Fri 12 Apr 2019 6:52 AM
so you made this thread complaining about getting killed solo and then going to ask why bother soloing when its easier to zerg..... you sir, are a fucking idiot lol.

Follow these three steps.
Click first page.
Scroll to top.
Feel like an idiot.

(And just in case that went over your head, my name isn't Menfany)

youre right here, its hard to tell you two apart i guess. both of you post such stupid shit.
btw sorry about quoting you w/o getting your consent first lmao

I don't see you posting anything other than juvenile insults.

Fri 12 Apr 2019 10:20 AM by dante`afk

if you don't play your tank like this here https://clips.twitch.tv/AbstemiousElegantInternTBCheesePull you should shut your fookin mouth and never talk.

proper shield switch mate

Mon 15 Apr 2019 6:16 AM by rodzilla

Invisible classes

Mon 15 Apr 2019 6:21 AM by yasow

Since this thread derailed completely, I‘ll lock it.