Is there a reason.. - Phoenix Freeshard

why Mid gets buffed with the recent buff changes... while we have every day at EU prime time the double ammount of Mids in RVR while Hib and Alb count is dropping like free fall?
Even the most successful 8man groups switching to Mid.. and Mid raiding 2 keeps in breifine while having enough mids at AMG to block it constantly so ALbs cant move out.
If this shouldnt raise attention.. it will lead to a massiv switch to winner realm or leaving of players.

Are the Devs not aware of this or just dont care?

Wed 1 May 2019 7:53 PM by RiffRaff

https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=7856

dude, what do you want? You say tanks are underwhelming and gimp. Buff changes come and it benefits all melee and somehow now its mids being buffed and OP? lol

maybe i misunderstood what you meant.

Wed 1 May 2019 8:22 PM by waffel

Is there a reason..

you didn't post your opinion on the buff change in the thread about the buff change, like everyone else?

Why do you feel your opinion is so much more important than everyone else's that you decided to make a new thread with a vague title?

Wed 1 May 2019 11:08 PM by Sindralor

I still think Cliff Beetles are the real threat

Thu 2 May 2019 8:24 AM by Menfany

RiffRaff wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 7:53 PM
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=7856

dude, what do you want? You say tanks are underwhelming and gimp. Buff changes come and it benefits all melee and somehow now its mids being buffed and OP? lol

maybe i misunderstood what you meant.

You did.
Tanks are not just exsist in Midgard.. and the buff of Midgard buff classes makes tanks stronger in Midgard... but not in Albion.
Because Alb tanks have no benefits of this.. because they already get all neccessary buffs in a normal group with 2 clerics.. except the buffs in Albion simply not avaiable.. ENDU and Celerity.
In Midgard you have all the nice Taank buffs.. but so far Healers/Shaman didnt had the conc to give you all the buffs which would benefit a tank well..
Now they get.

So this is clearly a Midgard buff.
I hope i could help you.

Thu 2 May 2019 9:00 AM by Luluko

Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 8:24 AM
RiffRaff wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 7:53 PM
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=7856

dude, what do you want? You say tanks are underwhelming and gimp. Buff changes come and it benefits all melee and somehow now its mids being buffed and OP? lol

maybe i misunderstood what you meant.

You did.
Tanks are not just exsist in Midgard.. and the buff of Midgard buff classes makes tanks stronger in Midgard... but not in Albion.
Because Alb tanks have no benefits of this.. because they already get all neccessary buffs in a normal group with 2 clerics.. except the buffs in Albion simply not avaiable.. ENDU and Celerity.
In Midgard you have all the nice Taank buffs.. but so far Healers/Shaman didnt had the conc to give you all the buffs which would benefit a tank well..
Now they get.

So this is clearly a Midgard buff.
I hope i could help you.

is it? most alb grps have a theurg for haste/damage add while mids dont always have a dark rm for the good damage add (shaman damage add is like 4dps while dark rm has 11,3dps) which is way more important than specc af which you can get as 10min charge anyway, damage add charge lasts only 30sec. Endu buff gets rarely buffed and only 1000 range so only class which could get use of it is a peel tank in the backline. Not sure what celerity has to do with that. Its just convience that people dont have to use like 3 charges on casters in mid for dex/qui, int and specc af

Guess albs get never tired of crying for love. I wouldnt mind if they would removed bd/necros completly out of rvr tho.

Thu 2 May 2019 9:34 AM by Sepplord

waffel wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 8:22 PM
Is there a reason..

you didn't post your opinion on the buff change in the thread about the buff change, like everyone else?

Why do you feel your opinion is so much more important than everyone else's that you decided to make a new thread with a vague title?

quite ironic also, considering his argumentation techniques (cough i need to be competitive unbuffed VS buffed enemies cough) have made me consider his opinion to be less important than anyone elses on this forum

Regtadring the topic: good groups will not migrate to midagrd because of the cahnges....noobgrps might and then they will notice:

Aug-healers in midgard don't spec much aug, aughealers are mendhealers with aug offspec. If AF-charges had stayed like they were, the good groups would still be charging SpecAF. Since that option is removed, the available spec-AF for midgroups is LESS than before.

All these arguments about realms being buffed differently only apply to the noobs of the realms. And every noob should be happy since they all get much more buffs from the combined forces than before. The people using charges got nerfed, since they overall can't get as many buffs as they did before.

Thu 2 May 2019 9:53 AM by jelzinga_EU

Practically there is no real difference which realm "benefits" the most from the buff/conc-changes. Adding spec-AF to healer/bard and adding more conc means now all 3 realms can get spec-AF from a buffer rather than from a charge. This includes Albion (who probably didn't use spec-AF on cleric much because of conc-limit). Optimal groups in Albion would have used spec-AF charges if they considered it important (higher value anyhow)

If you want endurance-buff group a paladin or buy an endo-barrel. Just as Mids group a shaman or buy an endo-barrel. This has not changed in any way.

Thu 2 May 2019 12:57 PM by Menfany

Luluko wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 9:00 AM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 8:24 AM
RiffRaff wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 7:53 PM
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=7856

dude, what do you want? You say tanks are underwhelming and gimp. Buff changes come and it benefits all melee and somehow now its mids being buffed and OP? lol

maybe i misunderstood what you meant.

You did.
Tanks are not just exsist in Midgard.. and the buff of Midgard buff classes makes tanks stronger in Midgard... but not in Albion.
Because Alb tanks have no benefits of this.. because they already get all neccessary buffs in a normal group with 2 clerics.. except the buffs in Albion simply not avaiable.. ENDU and Celerity.
In Midgard you have all the nice Taank buffs.. but so far Healers/Shaman didnt had the conc to give you all the buffs which would benefit a tank well..
Now they get.

So this is clearly a Midgard buff.
I hope i could help you.

is it? most alb grps have a theurg for haste/damage add while mids dont always have a dark rm for the good damage add (shaman damage add is like 4dps while dark rm has 11,3dps) which is way more important than specc af which you can get as 10min charge anyway, damage add charge lasts only 30sec. Endu buff gets rarely buffed and only 1000 range so only class which could get use of it is a peel tank in the backline. Not sure what celerity has to do with that. Its just convience that people dont have to use like 3 charges on casters in mid for dex/qui, int and specc af

Guess albs get never tired of crying for love. I wouldnt mind if they would removed bd/necros completly out of rvr tho.

1. " most alb grps have a theurg for haste/damage add"
Wrong. In fact Theurg is mostly used in PvE.. and serverinfo will tell you how many Theurgs are around.
2. Why Endu gets rarely buff in Mid?
3. Celerity is a huge dmg boost.. a boost Albion dont have.. and no potion can give you.. still not sure what it has to do with it?
4. atm we complain about getting a shitload of nerfs.. but no buffs like other realms get. Necro got nerfed already to uselessness.. with bugs since weeks noone cares about.

Thu 2 May 2019 1:26 PM by Saroi

Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 12:57 PM
Luluko wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 9:00 AM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 8:24 AM
You did.
Tanks are not just exsist in Midgard.. and the buff of Midgard buff classes makes tanks stronger in Midgard... but not in Albion.
Because Alb tanks have no benefits of this.. because they already get all neccessary buffs in a normal group with 2 clerics.. except the buffs in Albion simply not avaiable.. ENDU and Celerity.
In Midgard you have all the nice Taank buffs.. but so far Healers/Shaman didnt had the conc to give you all the buffs which would benefit a tank well..
Now they get.

So this is clearly a Midgard buff.
I hope i could help you.

is it? most alb grps have a theurg for haste/damage add while mids dont always have a dark rm for the good damage add (shaman damage add is like 4dps while dark rm has 11,3dps) which is way more important than specc af which you can get as 10min charge anyway, damage add charge lasts only 30sec. Endu buff gets rarely buffed and only 1000 range so only class which could get use of it is a peel tank in the backline. Not sure what celerity has to do with that. Its just convience that people dont have to use like 3 charges on casters in mid for dex/qui, int and specc af

Guess albs get never tired of crying for love. I wouldnt mind if they would removed bd/necros completly out of rvr tho.

1. " most alb grps have a theurg for haste/damage add"
Wrong. In fact Theurg is mostly used in PvE.. and serverinfo will tell you how many Theurgs are around.
2. Why Endu gets rarely buff in Mid?
3. Celerity is a huge dmg boost.. a boost Albion dont have.. and no potion can give you.. still not sure what it has to do with it?
4. atm we complain about getting a shitload of nerfs.. but no buffs like other realms get. Necro got nerfed already to uselessness.. with bugs since weeks noone cares about.

Again the Necro. Necro is still a fucked up class. Necro can cast through the keep door. Like bomb or the AoE dot. Same in keep. Rel was on upper floors casting and everyone on stairs got dot damage. Even the people who stood on the ground floor like healers all got damage from him. This is ok for you?

I attacked another Necro at Eras with another stealther. The necro has set is pet on stay and then ran inside and called his pet. Guess what? His pet walked through the walls up to him and we couldn't kill him. Yeah Necro's don't "abuse" bugs or the pet mechanics here on this server.

And how does these buffs nerf Albion? If you are talking about AF buffs, they are already existing and everyone has access to them.
It is the same like haste potion. This makes the Haste buff on Druid useless which they had compared to shaman/cleric.

The Str/Con and D/Q charges were higher than buffs from player(Both 75) . So now buffs are strongers, this actually buffs Albiona bit, since Albion buffs from cleric are slightly higher than other realms.

Also this is actually a nerf for Mid. You see. Mid Shamans specced atleast 27 in Cave to have the instant pbaoe disease. With 27 in cave, you cannot get the last d/q buff from 47 Enhancement. So if a Shaman wants to have 47 to get the last d/q buff, he will not have the instant pbaoe disease which everyone is speccing. So Mids will either lose the instant disease for shamans to kite or lose d/q value.

Thu 2 May 2019 1:29 PM by Luluko

Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 12:57 PM
Luluko wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 9:00 AM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 8:24 AM
You did.
Tanks are not just exsist in Midgard.. and the buff of Midgard buff classes makes tanks stronger in Midgard... but not in Albion.
Because Alb tanks have no benefits of this.. because they already get all neccessary buffs in a normal group with 2 clerics.. except the buffs in Albion simply not avaiable.. ENDU and Celerity.
In Midgard you have all the nice Taank buffs.. but so far Healers/Shaman didnt had the conc to give you all the buffs which would benefit a tank well..
Now they get.

So this is clearly a Midgard buff.
I hope i could help you.

is it? most alb grps have a theurg for haste/damage add while mids dont always have a dark rm for the good damage add (shaman damage add is like 4dps while dark rm has 11,3dps) which is way more important than specc af which you can get as 10min charge anyway, damage add charge lasts only 30sec. Endu buff gets rarely buffed and only 1000 range so only class which could get use of it is a peel tank in the backline. Not sure what celerity has to do with that. Its just convience that people dont have to use like 3 charges on casters in mid for dex/qui, int and specc af

Guess albs get never tired of crying for love. I wouldnt mind if they would removed bd/necros completly out of rvr tho.

1. " most alb grps have a theurg for haste/damage add"
Wrong. In fact Theurg is mostly used in PvE.. and serverinfo will tell you how many Theurgs are around.
2. Why Endu gets rarely buff in Mid?
3. Celerity is a huge dmg boost.. a boost Albion dont have.. and no potion can give you.. still not sure what it has to do with it?
4. atm we complain about getting a shitload of nerfs.. but no buffs like other realms get. Necro got nerfed already to uselessness.. with bugs since weeks noone cares about.

1. I see plenty in grps running arround even tho they rarely have any melees in them which need damage/haste from them also its basline while mids rm have to specc for it

2.it gets rarely buffed because of the buff cap and because of 1k range only so frontliners like svgs/skalds rarely benefit from it and have to pot anyway. that with buffcap removal will prolly change in the future if they go through with it but doesnt really affect gameplay that much, also most shamans will prolly go mend/cave if those buff changes go through and they will just run 20% heat resist from skald then

3. yes u are right here but mid also has no class with selfbuff haste like friar which is pretty similar to celerity with 32% haste at 38 enhance and friar is on a higher damage table than he used to be on live from what I have read here. Sucks for arms/merc but albs still have access to plenty of pets which mids dont have to make up for celerity albs have lots of rupt so good mids grps will always have to clear pets at the beginning or they are just done if they cant kill half the grp in the first 20secs. Albs easiely get sorc,minst,cab pet sometimes 2 cabs or 2 sorc then they have 4 pets, while mids can run bd his pet can also only rupt one and since bd doesnt have access to a spell like ns or bolt range mezz he needs to be quite close to rupt with his instant while albs do not and the pets are usually enough to take out a healer especially if its from a minstrel which can selfdemezz/deroot the pet and then albs still have access to theurg pets... and now you can also consider that most midgrps are pug grps and not really good at clearing pets.

4.necro doesnt belong into rvr with its buggy los to begin with also the whole class concept is as stupid as that from a bd and bd also got a nerf on the dark pets even tho he is still pretty ridiculous and should get retired with necro together in pve

Thu 2 May 2019 1:48 PM by Keelia

Menfany wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 7:43 PM
why Mid gets buffed with the recent buff changes... while we have every day at EU prime time the double ammount of Mids in RVR while Hib and Alb count is dropping like free fall?
Even the most successful 8man groups switching to Mid.. and Mid raiding 2 keeps in breifine while having enough mids at AMG to block it constantly so ALbs cant move out.
If this shouldnt raise attention.. it will lead to a massiv switch to winner realm or leaving of players.

Are the Devs not aware of this or just dont care?

Pkay and kissz both run alb now so not seeing how this is correct. You seem to whine In a lotof threads. I know Joraal is alb too so not sure if more Doki Doki went alb too.

Thu 2 May 2019 2:07 PM by SlowMo

Saroi wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 1:26 PM
Also this is actually a nerf for Mid. You see. Mid Shamans specced atleast 27 in Cave to have the instant pbaoe disease. With 27 in cave, you cannot get the last d/q buff from 47 Enhancement. So if a Shaman wants to have 47 to get the last d/q buff, he will not have the instant pbaoe disease which everyone is speccing. So Mids will either lose the instant disease for shamans to kite or lose d/q value.

Thats one made me laugh so hard... you give Mid spec af and still call it nerf.
And on Top you try to justifify this with a missing instant disease? Dude you cant be serious.

Total loss of reality.

Thu 2 May 2019 2:25 PM by kratoxin

be thankful the devs are actually TRYING to make things better instead of complaining about every new patch inc. so what if bard/mid got spec AF finally, alb and mid get dmg/weapon add hibernia doesn't unless they group a warden... and they are lacking too lol
enchanter gets dmg add as well but has to spec into enhancement... ya and who will do that lol

man spec AF what a huge buff to midgard man... gonna be a HUGE game changer, maybe you should slap on a 20% melee resist charge to help you out more.

Thu 2 May 2019 2:37 PM by Saroi

SlowMo wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 2:07 PM
Saroi wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 1:26 PM
Also this is actually a nerf for Mid. You see. Mid Shamans specced atleast 27 in Cave to have the instant pbaoe disease. With 27 in cave, you cannot get the last d/q buff from 47 Enhancement. So if a Shaman wants to have 47 to get the last d/q buff, he will not have the instant pbaoe disease which everyone is speccing. So Mids will either lose the instant disease for shamans to kite or lose d/q value.

Thats one made me laugh so hard... you give Mid spec af and still call it nerf.
And on Top you try to justifify this with a missing instant disease? Dude you cant be serious.

Total loss of reality.

Umm, there is already a 75 AF Charge on Epic chest or from alchemy. So basically everyone is already running around with AF spec buff. Where is the buff/change here? If you are running around without the AF charge atm, well that is not my problem.

Thu 2 May 2019 2:57 PM by Menfany

kratoxin wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 2:25 PM
be thankful the devs are actually TRYING to make things better instead of complaining about every new patch inc. so what if bard/mid got spec AF finally, alb and mid get dmg/weapon add hibernia doesn't unless they group a warden... and they are lacking too lol
enchanter gets dmg add as well but has to spec into enhancement... ya and who will do that lol

man spec AF what a huge buff to midgard man... gonna be a HUGE game changer, maybe you should slap on a 20% melee resist charge to help you out more.

Explain how "alb get dmg/weapon add" with this patch?
And where is the Endu buff for Alb? while Hib/Mid get Spec AF?

Thu 2 May 2019 3:13 PM by kratoxin

Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 2:57 PM
kratoxin wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 2:25 PM
be thankful the devs are actually TRYING to make things better instead of complaining about every new patch inc. so what if bard/mid got spec AF finally, alb and mid get dmg/weapon add hibernia doesn't unless they group a warden... and they are lacking too lol
enchanter gets dmg add as well but has to spec into enhancement... ya and who will do that lol

man spec AF what a huge buff to midgard man... gonna be a HUGE game changer, maybe you should slap on a 20% melee resist charge to help you out more.

Explain how "alb get dmg/weapon add" with this patch?
And where is the Endu buff for Alb? while Hib/Mid get Spec AF?

every realm is different.... i never said alb get dmg/weapon add in this patch LOL THEURGIST/WIZARD have dmg add.
alb get spec AF on cleric right? so mid/hib have it on bard/healer.
alb get endo on paladin right? so bard/shaman have endo. you following so far? ok good.

Thu 2 May 2019 3:58 PM by teiloh

jelzinga_EU wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 9:53 AM
Practically there is no real difference which realm "benefits" the most from the buff/conc-changes. Adding spec-AF to healer/bard and adding more conc means now all 3 realms can get spec-AF from a buffer rather than from a charge. This includes Albion (who probably didn't use spec-AF on cleric much because of conc-limit). Optimal groups in Albion would have used spec-AF charges if they considered it important (higher value anyhow)

If you want endurance-buff group a paladin or buy an endo-barrel. Just as Mids group a shaman or buy an endo-barrel. This has not changed in any way.

Not everyone used Spec AF and now every single Hib will have yellow spec AF because of how many spec points and free conc points bards have, as well as their sheer population. If anything spec AF should be made cleric exclusive to fix the mistake of charge items homogenizing it.

Thu 2 May 2019 4:04 PM by Luluko

teiloh wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 3:58 PM
jelzinga_EU wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 9:53 AM
Practically there is no real difference which realm "benefits" the most from the buff/conc-changes. Adding spec-AF to healer/bard and adding more conc means now all 3 realms can get spec-AF from a buffer rather than from a charge. This includes Albion (who probably didn't use spec-AF on cleric much because of conc-limit). Optimal groups in Albion would have used spec-AF charges if they considered it important (higher value anyhow)

If you want endurance-buff group a paladin or buy an endo-barrel. Just as Mids group a shaman or buy an endo-barrel. This has not changed in any way.

Not everyone used Spec AF and now every single Hib will have yellow spec AF because of how many spec points and free conc points bards have, as well as their sheer population. If anything spec AF should be made cleric exclusive to fix the mistake of charge items homogenizing it.

if not everyone used it then it prolly wasnt important enough dont get it why you people have to complain all the time when its just a qol change most xpers and none 50 wont use those potions anyway so all the solo infis will still have easy pickings

Thu 2 May 2019 5:37 PM by Inkwell84

Hib never gonna have 11.3 DA. Who cries about that?

Thu 2 May 2019 10:05 PM by Menfany

kratoxin wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 3:13 PM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 2:57 PM
kratoxin wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 2:25 PM
be thankful the devs are actually TRYING to make things better instead of complaining about every new patch inc. so what if bard/mid got spec AF finally, alb and mid get dmg/weapon add hibernia doesn't unless they group a warden... and they are lacking too lol
enchanter gets dmg add as well but has to spec into enhancement... ya and who will do that lol

man spec AF what a huge buff to midgard man... gonna be a HUGE game changer, maybe you should slap on a 20% melee resist charge to help you out more.

Explain how "alb get dmg/weapon add" with this patch?
And where is the Endu buff for Alb? while Hib/Mid get Spec AF?
every realm is different.... i never said alb get dmg/weapon add in this patch LOL THEURGIST/WIZARD have dmg add.
alb get spec AF on cleric right? so mid/hib have it on bard/healer.
alb get endo on paladin right? so bard/shaman have endo. you following so far? ok good.

You did.
Read again..
"so what if bard/mid got spec AF finally, alb and mid get dmg/weapon add hibernia doesn't unless they group a warden... and they are lacking too lol"

"alb get endo on paladin right?"
as a chant.. i hope you get the difference.. and to say it with your words.. "albion doesn't unless they group a paladin... and they are lacking too lol".. because.. to take a paladin with you.. wasting a whole slot for just having endu.. without getting BT or heals for it like you get in Hib for a Warden..
Can you follow so far?

Thu 2 May 2019 10:07 PM by Dariussdars

Menfany wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 7:43 PM
why Mid gets buffed with the recent buff changes... while we have every day at EU prime time the double ammount of Mids in RVR while Hib and Alb count is dropping like free fall?
Even the most successful 8man groups switching to Mid.. and Mid raiding 2 keeps in breifine while having enough mids at AMG to block it constantly so ALbs cant move out.
If this shouldnt raise attention.. it will lead to a massiv switch to winner realm or leaving of players.

Are the Devs not aware of this or just dont care?

Double the amount of Mids in RvR, despite Albion camping MPK every single day with 10 or more groups?

Ever wonder why no one takes any of your whining seriously? Probably because your version of reality is severely warped, and dead wrong.

Thu 2 May 2019 11:12 PM by Menfany

Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 10:07 PM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 7:43 PM
why Mid gets buffed with the recent buff changes... while we have every day at EU prime time the double ammount of Mids in RVR while Hib and Alb count is dropping like free fall?
Even the most successful 8man groups switching to Mid.. and Mid raiding 2 keeps in breifine while having enough mids at AMG to block it constantly so ALbs cant move out.
If this shouldnt raise attention.. it will lead to a massiv switch to winner realm or leaving of players.

Are the Devs not aware of this or just dont care?

Double the amount of Mids in RvR, despite Albion camping MPK every single day with 10 or more groups?

Ever wonder why no one takes any of your whining seriously? Probably because your version of reality is severely warped, and dead wrong.

Atm from 9-12pm EU prime time you can barely get through AMG in emain without see at least 3 fgm..
And i can tell you that there are never 5+ grp at MPK.. what you see are a few groups, ALOT of solo/small grouped Albs happy to make it out of their AMG and give the Mids back what they celebrated for hours before

Thu 2 May 2019 11:20 PM by Dariussdars

Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 11:12 PM
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 10:07 PM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 7:43 PM
why Mid gets buffed with the recent buff changes... while we have every day at EU prime time the double ammount of Mids in RVR while Hib and Alb count is dropping like free fall?
Even the most successful 8man groups switching to Mid.. and Mid raiding 2 keeps in breifine while having enough mids at AMG to block it constantly so ALbs cant move out.
If this shouldnt raise attention.. it will lead to a massiv switch to winner realm or leaving of players.

Are the Devs not aware of this or just dont care?

Double the amount of Mids in RvR, despite Albion camping MPK every single day with 10 or more groups?

Ever wonder why no one takes any of your whining seriously? Probably because your version of reality is severely warped, and dead wrong.

Atm from 9-12pm EU prime time you can barely get through AMG in emain without see at least 3 fgm..
And i can tell you that there are never 5+ grp at MPK.. what you see are a few groups, ALOT of solo/small grouped Albs happy to make it out of their AMG and give the Mids back what they celebrated for hours before

Wrong. Several days in a row Albs camped MPK with a ton of players. Just because YOU won't stop whining and can't deal with reality doesn't mean it isn't true. Hell, they prob had 3 full groups with of stealthers with them.

Thu 2 May 2019 11:40 PM by teiloh

Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 10:07 PM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 7:43 PM
why Mid gets buffed with the recent buff changes... while we have every day at EU prime time the double ammount of Mids in RVR while Hib and Alb count is dropping like free fall?
Even the most successful 8man groups switching to Mid.. and Mid raiding 2 keeps in breifine while having enough mids at AMG to block it constantly so ALbs cant move out.
If this shouldnt raise attention.. it will lead to a massiv switch to winner realm or leaving of players.

Are the Devs not aware of this or just dont care?

Double the amount of Mids in RvR, despite Albion camping MPK every single day with 10 or more groups?

Ever wonder why no one takes any of your whining seriously? Probably because your version of reality is severely warped, and dead wrong.

https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

Thu 2 May 2019 11:40 PM by teiloh

Luluko wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 4:04 PM
if not everyone used it then it prolly wasnt important enough dont get it why you people have to complain all the time when its just a qol change most xpers and none 50 wont use those potions anyway so all the solo infis will still have easy pickings

More like because they had to juggle charges, or didn't feel like doing it, etc. It's not a QOL change, but a buff.

Thu 2 May 2019 11:55 PM by Dariussdars

teiloh wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 11:40 PM
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 10:07 PM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Wed 1 May 2019 7:43 PM
why Mid gets buffed with the recent buff changes... while we have every day at EU prime time the double ammount of Mids in RVR while Hib and Alb count is dropping like free fall?
Even the most successful 8man groups switching to Mid.. and Mid raiding 2 keeps in breifine while having enough mids at AMG to block it constantly so ALbs cant move out.
If this shouldnt raise attention.. it will lead to a massiv switch to winner realm or leaving of players.

Are the Devs not aware of this or just dont care?

Double the amount of Mids in RvR, despite Albion camping MPK every single day with 10 or more groups?

Ever wonder why no one takes any of your whining seriously? Probably because your version of reality is severely warped, and dead wrong.

https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

You still don't understand that population isn't the same as RvR population obviously. You still think BDs are everywhere out in RvR, while in reality most of them are farming in Malm. 10 of the 23 level 50 BDs are out in the frontier. Other 13 are either crafting or farming.

Fri 3 May 2019 7:10 AM by teiloh

Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 11:55 PM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 11:40 PM
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 10:07 PM
Double the amount of Mids in RvR, despite Albion camping MPK every single day with 10 or more groups?

Ever wonder why no one takes any of your whining seriously? Probably because your version of reality is severely warped, and dead wrong.

https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

You still don't understand that population isn't the same as RvR population obviously. You still think BDs are everywhere out in RvR, while in reality most of them are farming in Malm. 10 of the 23 level 50 BDs are out in the frontier. Other 13 are either crafting or farming.

Your whole schtick was that Albs only PvE. Now you're claiming that Mids are PvEwhores?

And you can /u to check RvR pops. Mids were zerging it up until we repeatedly stomped them into the ground for being overconfident and a little mindless.

Fri 3 May 2019 8:33 AM by Menfany

Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 11:20 PM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 11:12 PM
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 10:07 PM
Double the amount of Mids in RvR, despite Albion camping MPK every single day with 10 or more groups?

Ever wonder why no one takes any of your whining seriously? Probably because your version of reality is severely warped, and dead wrong.

Atm from 9-12pm EU prime time you can barely get through AMG in emain without see at least 3 fgm..
And i can tell you that there are never 5+ grp at MPK.. what you see are a few groups, ALOT of solo/small grouped Albs happy to make it out of their AMG and give the Mids back what they celebrated for hours before

Wrong. Several days in a row Albs camped MPK with a ton of players. Just because YOU won't stop whining and can't deal with reality doesn't mean it isn't true. Hell, they prob had 3 full groups with of stealthers with them.

Guy.. i know what i see.. check EU prime time.. 9-12PM CET

Fri 3 May 2019 8:36 AM by Menfany

Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 11:55 PM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 11:40 PM
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 10:07 PM
Double the amount of Mids in RvR, despite Albion camping MPK every single day with 10 or more groups?

Ever wonder why no one takes any of your whining seriously? Probably because your version of reality is severely warped, and dead wrong.

https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

You still don't understand that population isn't the same as RvR population obviously. You still think BDs are everywhere out in RvR, while in reality most of them are farming in Malm. 10 of the 23 level 50 BDs are out in the frontier. Other 13 are either crafting or farming.

And you probaly think that all the necros running RvR right?
Yesterday 11:50PM CET
Serverinfo: Classes:
Skald: 87
Shaman: 85
BD: 80
Animist: 78
Healer: 68
Infiltrator: 63
Minstrel: 59

Tells the whole story.

Fri 3 May 2019 9:06 AM by Saroi

Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 10:05 PM
kratoxin wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 3:13 PM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 2:57 PM
Explain how "alb get dmg/weapon add" with this patch?
And where is the Endu buff for Alb? while Hib/Mid get Spec AF?
every realm is different.... i never said alb get dmg/weapon add in this patch LOL THEURGIST/WIZARD have dmg add.
alb get spec AF on cleric right? so mid/hib have it on bard/healer.
alb get endo on paladin right? so bard/shaman have endo. you following so far? ok good.

You did.
Read again..
"so what if bard/mid got spec AF finally, alb and mid get dmg/weapon add hibernia doesn't unless they group a warden... and they are lacking too lol"

"alb get endo on paladin right?"
as a chant.. i hope you get the difference.. and to say it with your words.. "albion doesn't unless they group a paladin... and they are lacking too lol".. because.. to take a paladin with you.. wasting a whole slot for just having endu.. without getting BT or heals for it like you get in Hib for a Warden..
Can you follow so far?

You still haven't said how this is a Alb nerf. AF buff Charges have been here since start. Basically everyone is already running it in RvR. Well except of you ofcourse, you run unbuffed as a "tank" and wonder why you get killed to make a post on the forum about it.

This changes not much for groups. Cleric Str/Con buff is same as Shaman but higher than Druid. Cleric d/q buff is the highest in the game. So Hib/Mid will run with a little less Buffvalue.

Buff value gets lowered for combined Forces. So this is basically just a nerf for Solo people. And I don't see much solo albs.

You wrote about wasting a slot for a Paladin. Interesting, so you call Paladin a wasted slot. Thanks to the Endu pot that is already in game you get Endu and have a whole slot free to pick a different class, while even with Endu pot Mid still have to rely on a Shaman and Hibernia still needs a Bard. Of course this doesn't matter to you, since every advantage Alb already got from Pots is not a big deal. It is just the other realms that get OP everytime except that nothing changes since it is already in the game (Hello AF Charge).

Fri 3 May 2019 9:16 AM by Sepplord

EU primetime mids mostly have the biggest RvR population, unless we are having a TG raid...
But that doesn't mean anything. It is one timezone.

This morning at 7AM CET /u showed me over 200 lvl50 albs in the frontiers, while mids and hibs had only 100.
So....are you saying that the server is running a different patch in the morning? Or has overpopulation maybe more reasons than just "Realm X being OP"

If midgard is so dominant, why is DF in Hib and Alb hand for extended periods of time? (personally it even seems as if midgard doesn't have DF very much at all...but i am not online the whole day, and this could just be a coincidence of when i am logged in)

Fri 3 May 2019 9:31 AM by Dariussdars

teiloh wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 7:10 AM
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 11:55 PM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 11:40 PM
https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

You still don't understand that population isn't the same as RvR population obviously. You still think BDs are everywhere out in RvR, while in reality most of them are farming in Malm. 10 of the 23 level 50 BDs are out in the frontier. Other 13 are either crafting or farming.

Your whole schtick was that Albs only PvE. Now you're claiming that Mids are PvEwhores?

And you can /u to check RvR pops. Mids were zerging it up until we repeatedly stomped them into the ground for being overconfident and a little mindless.

I've said that most of the level 50 BDs are out in pve genius. You have repeatedly disputed that, and claim that BDs are everywhere in RvR. Need me to paste one of your quotes for you to jog your memory. For whatever reason on Phoenix, Mid is the pve realm.

Fri 3 May 2019 12:53 PM by gnefner

Seems I made the right choice switching from Mid to Hib, now I can actually get to enjoy the goodness of DF - even though Mid is so extremely OP, and has twice the numbers of the other realms, weird.

Fri 3 May 2019 2:06 PM by Saroi

gnefner wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 12:53 PM
Seems I made the right choice switching from Mid to Hib, now I can actually get to enjoy the goodness of DF - even though Mid is so extremely OP, and has twice the numbers of the other realms, weird.

That is not weird at all. The "problem" is, Mid and Alb mostly just sit in Emain 24/7. Like yesterday evening EU time there were like 4-6 Midgrps roaming around AMG - DC Road on stick. Doesn't matter if the task is in Hib or somewhere else, most stay in Emain. Also this morning EU Time were ALb now had like 100 more than Hibs and around 50 more than Mids. No task in Hibernia and yet there were always a big train of Albs running from amg to DC/mmg. I attacked a Solo Alb and got rolled by like 3 Albsgrps.

Emain is so far away for most Hibs that it is not the effort to run all the way to in Midzerg. That is why you find a lot of Keep BG's, especially from Pilzpower. And even if the BG then goes to kill the Lady or Beastmaster, you barely see any defenders from Mid/Alb.

Basically you got Alb/Mid fighting eachother here and Hib doing their own thing taking keeps.

Fri 3 May 2019 9:08 PM by Dariussdars

Saroi wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 2:06 PM
gnefner wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 12:53 PM
Seems I made the right choice switching from Mid to Hib, now I can actually get to enjoy the goodness of DF - even though Mid is so extremely OP, and has twice the numbers of the other realms, weird.

That is not weird at all. The "problem" is, Mid and Alb mostly just sit in Emain 24/7. Like yesterday evening EU time there were like 4-6 Midgrps roaming around AMG - DC Road on stick. Doesn't matter if the task is in Hib or somewhere else, most stay in Emain. Also this morning EU Time were ALb now had like 100 more than Hibs and around 50 more than Mids. No task in Hibernia and yet there were always a big train of Albs running from amg to DC/mmg. I attacked a Solo Alb and got rolled by like 3 Albsgrps.

Emain is so far away for most Hibs that it is not the effort to run all the way to in Midzerg. That is why you find a lot of Keep BG's, especially from Pilzpower. And even if the BG then goes to kill the Lady or Beastmaster, you barely see any defenders from Mid/Alb.

Basically you got Alb/Mid fighting eachother here and Hib doing their own thing taking keeps.

I pretty much just stay solo on my Thane in Uppland, and fight the Albs and Hibs who show up there. Can just afk at SF, then come out to play when I see some Alb or Hib spam.

Fri 3 May 2019 9:33 PM by Menfany

Saroi wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 9:06 AM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 10:05 PM
kratoxin wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 3:13 PM
every realm is different.... i never said alb get dmg/weapon add in this patch LOL THEURGIST/WIZARD have dmg add.
alb get spec AF on cleric right? so mid/hib have it on bard/healer.
alb get endo on paladin right? so bard/shaman have endo. you following so far? ok good.

You did.
Read again..
"so what if bard/mid got spec AF finally, alb and mid get dmg/weapon add hibernia doesn't unless they group a warden... and they are lacking too lol"

"alb get endo on paladin right?"
as a chant.. i hope you get the difference.. and to say it with your words.. "albion doesn't unless they group a paladin... and they are lacking too lol".. because.. to take a paladin with you.. wasting a whole slot for just having endu.. without getting BT or heals for it like you get in Hib for a Warden..
Can you follow so far?

You still haven't said how this is a Alb nerf. AF buff Charges have been here since start. Basically everyone is already running it in RvR. Well except of you ofcourse, you run unbuffed as a "tank" and wonder why you get killed to make a post on the forum about it.

This changes not much for groups. Cleric Str/Con buff is same as Shaman but higher than Druid. Cleric d/q buff is the highest in the game. So Hib/Mid will run with a little less Buffvalue.

Buff value gets lowered for combined Forces. So this is basically just a nerf for Solo people. And I don't see much solo albs.

You wrote about wasting a slot for a Paladin. Interesting, so you call Paladin a wasted slot. Thanks to the Endu pot that is already in game you get Endu and have a whole slot free to pick a different class, while even with Endu pot Mid still have to rely on a Shaman and Hibernia still needs a Bard. Of course this doesn't matter to you, since every advantage Alb already got from Pots is not a big deal. It is just the other realms that get OP everytime except that nothing changes since it is already in the game (Hello AF Charge).

so you should read a little more carefully.. maybe ask your mom to explain it to you.

If you compare Endu pots Endu3 with Endu5 or even 4.. you literally have no clue about how the difference works out for a mellee these days..
And as you say.. Hib and Mid have more utility together WITH Endu buffs.. while a paladin is a weak mellee class these days.. and the difference between a chant and a buff also is something you should know.

and.. Which advantage Albs get from pots?
Would be nice to know...

Fri 3 May 2019 10:02 PM by Saroi

Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 9:33 PM
Saroi wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 9:06 AM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Thu 2 May 2019 10:05 PM
You did.
Read again..
"so what if bard/mid got spec AF finally, alb and mid get dmg/weapon add hibernia doesn't unless they group a warden... and they are lacking too lol"

"alb get endo on paladin right?"
as a chant.. i hope you get the difference.. and to say it with your words.. "albion doesn't unless they group a paladin... and they are lacking too lol".. because.. to take a paladin with you.. wasting a whole slot for just having endu.. without getting BT or heals for it like you get in Hib for a Warden..
Can you follow so far?

You still haven't said how this is a Alb nerf. AF buff Charges have been here since start. Basically everyone is already running it in RvR. Well except of you ofcourse, you run unbuffed as a "tank" and wonder why you get killed to make a post on the forum about it.

This changes not much for groups. Cleric Str/Con buff is same as Shaman but higher than Druid. Cleric d/q buff is the highest in the game. So Hib/Mid will run with a little less Buffvalue.

Buff value gets lowered for combined Forces. So this is basically just a nerf for Solo people. And I don't see much solo albs.

You wrote about wasting a slot for a Paladin. Interesting, so you call Paladin a wasted slot. Thanks to the Endu pot that is already in game you get Endu and have a whole slot free to pick a different class, while even with Endu pot Mid still have to rely on a Shaman and Hibernia still needs a Bard. Of course this doesn't matter to you, since every advantage Alb already got from Pots is not a big deal. It is just the other realms that get OP everytime except that nothing changes since it is already in the game (Hello AF Charge).

so you should read a little more carefully.. maybe ask your mom to explain it to you.

If you compare Endu pots Endu3 with Endu5 or even 4.. you literally have no clue about how the difference works out for a mellee these days..
And as you say.. Hib and Mid have more utility together WITH Endu buffs.. while a paladin is a weak mellee class these days.. and the difference between a chant and a buff also is something you should know.

and.. Which advantage Albs get from pots?
Would be nice to know...

I did read. You are complaining about the AF buff that Mid/Hib get, while AF charges been in this game all the time. There is no buff to Mid/Hib.

And I know the difference between a chant and a buff. You should also know a Bard endu is a song, which replaces speed. So he has to switch between the songs all the time. That being said, there are grps who just run endu 3 pot instead for perma sprint. So there is not really an advantage here. Endu 3 is more than enough to keep going.

Where the advantage is for Albs from pots? You said Paladin is a waste of spot for just Endu. Without pots you need a Paladin? Now instead of a Paladin you can pick another class like Theurg, wizard, Cabalist, Merc to deal damage etc. You said that yourself, so don't act stupid now.

All realms are effected by this. The only ones who get nerfed by these changes are solo or smallmans who do not have a Cleric/Druid/Shaman for the better buffs and have to take combined forces now which has reduced buff value.

Fri 3 May 2019 10:27 PM by Dariussdars

Saroi wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 10:02 PM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 9:33 PM
Saroi wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 9:06 AM
You still haven't said how this is a Alb nerf. AF buff Charges have been here since start. Basically everyone is already running it in RvR. Well except of you ofcourse, you run unbuffed as a "tank" and wonder why you get killed to make a post on the forum about it.

This changes not much for groups. Cleric Str/Con buff is same as Shaman but higher than Druid. Cleric d/q buff is the highest in the game. So Hib/Mid will run with a little less Buffvalue.

Buff value gets lowered for combined Forces. So this is basically just a nerf for Solo people. And I don't see much solo albs.

You wrote about wasting a slot for a Paladin. Interesting, so you call Paladin a wasted slot. Thanks to the Endu pot that is already in game you get Endu and have a whole slot free to pick a different class, while even with Endu pot Mid still have to rely on a Shaman and Hibernia still needs a Bard. Of course this doesn't matter to you, since every advantage Alb already got from Pots is not a big deal. It is just the other realms that get OP everytime except that nothing changes since it is already in the game (Hello AF Charge).

so you should read a little more carefully.. maybe ask your mom to explain it to you.

If you compare Endu pots Endu3 with Endu5 or even 4.. you literally have no clue about how the difference works out for a mellee these days..
And as you say.. Hib and Mid have more utility together WITH Endu buffs.. while a paladin is a weak mellee class these days.. and the difference between a chant and a buff also is something you should know.

and.. Which advantage Albs get from pots?
Would be nice to know...

I did read. You are complaining about the AF buff that Mid/Hib get, while AF charges been in this game all the time. There is no buff to Mid/Hib.

And I know the difference between a chant and a buff. You should also know a Bard endu is a song, which replaces speed. So he has to switch between the songs all the time. That being said, there are grps who just run endu 3 pot instead for perma sprint. So there is not really an advantage here. Endu 3 is more than enough to keep going.

Where the advantage is for Albs from pots? You said Paladin is a waste of spot for just Endu. Without pots you need a Paladin? Now instead of a Paladin you can pick another class like Theurg, wizard, Cabalist, Merc to deal damage etc. You said that yourself, so don't act stupid now.

All realms are effected by this. The only ones who get nerfed by these changes are solo or smallmans who do not have a Cleric/Druid/Shaman for the better buffs and have to take combined forces now which has reduced buff value.

Wasting your time expecting an actual discussion with him/her.

Fri 3 May 2019 11:23 PM by Saroi

Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 10:27 PM
Saroi wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 10:02 PM
Menfany wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 9:33 PM
so you should read a little more carefully.. maybe ask your mom to explain it to you.

If you compare Endu pots Endu3 with Endu5 or even 4.. you literally have no clue about how the difference works out for a mellee these days..
And as you say.. Hib and Mid have more utility together WITH Endu buffs.. while a paladin is a weak mellee class these days.. and the difference between a chant and a buff also is something you should know.

and.. Which advantage Albs get from pots?
Would be nice to know...

I did read. You are complaining about the AF buff that Mid/Hib get, while AF charges been in this game all the time. There is no buff to Mid/Hib.

And I know the difference between a chant and a buff. You should also know a Bard endu is a song, which replaces speed. So he has to switch between the songs all the time. That being said, there are grps who just run endu 3 pot instead for perma sprint. So there is not really an advantage here. Endu 3 is more than enough to keep going.

Where the advantage is for Albs from pots? You said Paladin is a waste of spot for just Endu. Without pots you need a Paladin? Now instead of a Paladin you can pick another class like Theurg, wizard, Cabalist, Merc to deal damage etc. You said that yourself, so don't act stupid now.

All realms are effected by this. The only ones who get nerfed by these changes are solo or smallmans who do not have a Cleric/Druid/Shaman for the better buffs and have to take combined forces now which has reduced buff value.

Wasting your time expecting an actual discussion with him/her.

Well you can always try. I actually find it funny.

Fri 3 May 2019 11:36 PM by Dariussdars

Saroi wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 11:23 PM
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 10:27 PM
Saroi wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 10:02 PM
I did read. You are complaining about the AF buff that Mid/Hib get, while AF charges been in this game all the time. There is no buff to Mid/Hib.

And I know the difference between a chant and a buff. You should also know a Bard endu is a song, which replaces speed. So he has to switch between the songs all the time. That being said, there are grps who just run endu 3 pot instead for perma sprint. So there is not really an advantage here. Endu 3 is more than enough to keep going.

Where the advantage is for Albs from pots? You said Paladin is a waste of spot for just Endu. Without pots you need a Paladin? Now instead of a Paladin you can pick another class like Theurg, wizard, Cabalist, Merc to deal damage etc. You said that yourself, so don't act stupid now.

All realms are effected by this. The only ones who get nerfed by these changes are solo or smallmans who do not have a Cleric/Druid/Shaman for the better buffs and have to take combined forces now which has reduced buff value.

Wasting your time expecting an actual discussion with him/her.

Well you can always try. I actually find it funny.

Reminds me of trying to talk to a tired and grouchy toddler.

Sun 5 May 2019 3:15 PM by Saroi

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 3 May 2019 9:16 AM
EU primetime mids mostly have the biggest RvR population, unless we are having a TG raid...
But that doesn't mean anything. It is one timezone.

This morning at 7AM CET /u showed me over 200 lvl50 albs in the frontiers, while mids and hibs had only 100.
So....are you saying that the server is running a different patch in the morning? Or has overpopulation maybe more reasons than just "Realm X being OP"

If midgard is so dominant, why is DF in Hib and Alb hand for extended periods of time? (personally it even seems as if midgard doesn't have DF very much at all...but i am not online the whole day, and this could just be a coincidence of when i am logged in)

Well for Hib side, the reason is Hibs mostly have Keeptake BG's. It is the only real action you can get to avoid running all the way to Emain. Hibs often kill the Lady and the Beastmaster too. Maybe once every 5 attempts some albs/mids show up to defend.

As for the Keeptake it is the same. Maybe once every 5+ keeps a midzerg/Albzerg comes to defend. So basically Hibs are just taking keeps in peace ^^