Determination - Phoenix Freeshard

Hi,

Why did you give Determination to everyone except Bard and Minstrel? What's the rule, if there is any?

Not sure I would buy it, but do I miss something obvious?

Tue 26 Mar 2019 3:18 PM by Kralin

Yes you miss something obvious in that Bard and Minstrel aren't the only classes that didn't get determination. Neither do the pure healing classes, all stealth classes, and all caster/mage classes. Only hybrid melee were given determination and that was the custom change. It was done to make hybrid melee slightly more desirable to grouping.

It has had mixed results as hybrids still don't have as much group appeal as light mdps and heavy tanks.

Tue 26 Mar 2019 3:42 PM by Cami

Minstrels have an already build in Determination called Charm. It removes Root and Mez within a second, costs 0 RA points and only doesn't work against stuns.

Tue 26 Mar 2019 3:54 PM by djegu

Kralin wrote: ↑
Tue 26 Mar 2019 3:18 PM
Yes you miss something obvious in that Bard and Minstrel aren't the only classes that didn't get determination. Neither do the pure healing classes, all stealth classes, and all caster/mage classes. Only hybrid melee were given determination and that was the custom change. It was done to make hybrid melee slightly more desirable to grouping.

It has had mixed results as hybrids still don't have as much group appeal as light mdps and heavy tanks.

Stealther have acces to Deter

Wed 27 Mar 2019 2:45 AM by rubaduck

Determination were given to the hybrids to even the playing field for them on the same line as light tanks and heavy tanks. Groups would bring a det class over a non-det class just because of efficiency. With DET on hybrids as well they gave the hybrids a breath of life to be viable in this patch for any realm. This makes CC like mezz and casted stun much less efficient over the whole board and fair for any realm. Slam is not affected by DET.

It does make skalds pretty annoying though, and Paladin and Thanes are still underdogs due to their poor design but it will make it easier for the devs of the realm to work on them.

Wed 27 Mar 2019 4:41 AM by dansari

Is this another minst crying that skald can outplay them now and they don't have complete control over the speed6 solo pvp world? Quick, retrieve the tiny violin from the Animists complaining about custom shroom nerfs!

Wed 27 Mar 2019 11:22 AM by mrvls

Haha, even tho I chose my words wisely writing this I still have to read such replies.

I didn't ask why Skald has access to it, it's cool. They have choices, I like that.
I just can't see why these two classes don't have it, there is no viable explanation to me.

Kralin wrote: ↑
Tue 26 Mar 2019 3:18 PM
Yes you miss something obvious in that Bard and Minstrel aren't the only classes that didn't get determination. Neither do the pure healing classes, all stealth classes, and all caster/mage classes. Only hybrid melee were given determination and that was the custom change.

Thank you for your enlightenment, in return, please accept some help:
https://playphoenix.online/charplan/

Bard and Minsrtel both are hybrid with style lines to sepc in with no access to Determination. Why ?
Please don't bother to reply without basic knowledge. I'm fine with no answer at all tbh.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 8:15 AM by dudis

mrvls wrote: ↑
Wed 27 Mar 2019 11:22 AM
Bard and Minsrtel both are hybrid with style lines to sepc in with no access to Determination. Why ?
Please don't bother to reply without basic knowledge. I'm fine with no answer at all tbh.

Probably because they dont need the help while others do. They are both among the strongest and most wanted classes in the game for rvr.

Like others have said, Minstrels already have tools to deal with long-duration CC, through their pet.

It is sort of weird that seemingly all other classes with a melee spec (assassins, archers, hybrid supports) gets DET though...

Thu 28 Mar 2019 8:38 AM by CronU

For Minstrel i just can repeat my previous poster.
Since you dont want such an easy answer, i at least have a good one for the bard side.

Bard is their Realm Main-Mezz-Class, so the Bard is on par with Healers and Sorcerer, both dont have Det, so it would be a mass interference into grp play if one realms Main-CC class would get access to Determination.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 9:32 AM by keen

CronU wrote: ↑
Thu 28 Mar 2019 8:38 AM
Bard is their Realm Main-Mezz-Class, so the Bard is on par with Healers and Sorcerer, both dont have Det.

Sorc has mezz dampening 55% instead of det.

Thu 28 Mar 2019 1:27 PM by mrvls

Ok, stop making up weird explanations out of nowhere lol.
The actual answer is simple: there is absolutely no reason.

Would it be broken ? I mean, it's not free, you have to spend realm points on it.
Would I buy it ? Probably not.
Why do I even ask then ? This is pretty random. I prefere equilibrium.