Is there a shift in which realms assassins are supreme at they go up the RR scale ?
RR3 who is best
RR 7?
RR 10/11?
RR3 who is best
RR 7?
RR 10/11?
Assassin strengths at different RR’s?
Started 17 Apr 2020
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Fri 17 Apr 2020 6:49 AM
by
inoeth
low rr sb is worst for sure but getting stronger every rr
on this server it really depends on two procs and not so much on rr. thats DA and dq debuff
as sb you have to decide which one you want to charge because there are no such proc weapons in midgard, so both the other realms have an advantage here.
though in alb you are basicly stuck to thrust spec if you want to have those procs iirc, which is not actually bad but also not very good imo slash>thrust
NS however get a really nice MH dq debuff sword, also slash spec is very strong since you do + dmg on mids and neutral on albs and with a bit of rr you can easily go 39 slash spec to also have the 30% ASR without losing anything in stealth or envenom
so:
low rr: ns/infi both strong, sb worse
midi rr: ns/infi both strong, sb catches up
high rr: ns>sb>infi
on this server it really depends on two procs and not so much on rr. thats DA and dq debuff
as sb you have to decide which one you want to charge because there are no such proc weapons in midgard, so both the other realms have an advantage here.
though in alb you are basicly stuck to thrust spec if you want to have those procs iirc, which is not actually bad but also not very good imo slash>thrust
NS however get a really nice MH dq debuff sword, also slash spec is very strong since you do + dmg on mids and neutral on albs and with a bit of rr you can easily go 39 slash spec to also have the 30% ASR without losing anything in stealth or envenom
so:
low rr: ns/infi both strong, sb worse
midi rr: ns/infi both strong, sb catches up
high rr: ns>sb>infi
Fri 17 Apr 2020 8:01 AM
by
Freedomcall
Holding 39 blades as a NS isn't that effective choice, you lose either your damage or offhand swing chance.
Thrust infiltrator is strongest of all without doubt if it is played well, but remind that it is for advanced players.
And it even gets stronger as it gains RR, and at rr10 you can go 45CS/50DW spec, which NS and SB can't even get close.
There has been so many misinformation regarding NS cuz SBs with wrong CS spec has been crying on forums since server launch.
It made ppl believe NS is stronger than it actually is, overall, and more funny thing is, some infils started to cry about NS as well. lol
Infil has been strongest of all since server launch, and with Dual Shadows bleeds nerf, it became a little weaker but still strongest of three.
RR4 : Infil >> SB=NS
RR7 : Infil >> SB=NS
RR10 : Infil >>>> NS ? SB
I'm not sure about the superiority within NS and SB at RR10 thou cuz I am not able to test how good CS/hybrid SB spec is at RR10.
Thrust infiltrator is strongest of all without doubt if it is played well, but remind that it is for advanced players.
And it even gets stronger as it gains RR, and at rr10 you can go 45CS/50DW spec, which NS and SB can't even get close.
There has been so many misinformation regarding NS cuz SBs with wrong CS spec has been crying on forums since server launch.
It made ppl believe NS is stronger than it actually is, overall, and more funny thing is, some infils started to cry about NS as well. lol
Infil has been strongest of all since server launch, and with Dual Shadows bleeds nerf, it became a little weaker but still strongest of three.
RR4 : Infil >> SB=NS
RR7 : Infil >> SB=NS
RR10 : Infil >>>> NS ? SB
I'm not sure about the superiority within NS and SB at RR10 thou cuz I am not able to test how good CS/hybrid SB spec is at RR10.
Fri 17 Apr 2020 8:47 AM
by
Riac
that was good, but you could run through ppl and it would fuck up their front style. ns was def stronger.
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:01 AM
by
Freedomcall
Riac wrote: ↑Fri 17 Apr 2020 8:47 AMthat was good, but you could run through ppl and it would fuck up their front style. ns was def stronger.
That works against merc, but not infil when you are perma diseased+snared.
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:13 AM
by
Riac
Fri 17 Apr 2020 9:20 AM
by
Freedomcall
I'll be looking forward to seeing you.
Fri 17 Apr 2020 10:12 AM
by
Riac
Fri 17 Apr 2020 1:30 PM
by
Freedomcall
Fri 17 Apr 2020 1:46 PM
by
Kimahri
My experience on phoenix has shown me that
SB > THRUST INF > NS > SB,
NS > SLASH INF > SB < NS,
when skill/RR are similar, pierce NS is a fking joke so it won't even be considered.
NS is the god of low rr (and stays good throughout), and thrust inf is the god of high rr (pretty terrible experience to get there tho).
SB > THRUST INF > NS > SB,
NS > SLASH INF > SB < NS,
when skill/RR are similar, pierce NS is a fking joke so it won't even be considered.
NS is the god of low rr (and stays good throughout), and thrust inf is the god of high rr (pretty terrible experience to get there tho).
Fri 17 Apr 2020 11:29 PM
by
Noashakra
Inf>>NS>SB
No discussion about that. Thrust has the 2sec and 6sec stun and that's already good, but you combine that with 47 dual at the 5L and you go bananas.
You add the add dmg wepaon on top and it's cherry on the top.
No discussion about that. Thrust has the 2sec and 6sec stun and that's already good, but you combine that with 47 dual at the 5L and you go bananas.
You add the add dmg wepaon on top and it's cherry on the top.
Sat 18 Apr 2020 5:25 PM
by
Saroi
I don't really think anyone is on top of the meta atm, it all comes down to random because HP buff and ws/con poison change back then made the ws/con poison really powerful and gamechanging for it to be resisted. Like first hit resist and then it takes 1-2 evades/miss and the fight is pretty much already over at this point.
At the beginning I didn't think that the Evade stun giving to both Inf(15 thrust beartooth) and Blade NS was a big deal. But because of the changes I wrote above they do have the advantage of using purge for Legion + Healpot without disease and landing 1-2 attacks full damage without reduction from ws/con and disease poison against SB's. Sure sometimes you are lucky and you land your 2part stun after the purge but that is really rare and if you use your purge like that as SB you will be stunned shortly after. This is also the main reason you see so many Thrust inf's now. Before those changes you didn't really see any Thrust Infs.
At the beginning I didn't think that the Evade stun giving to both Inf(15 thrust beartooth) and Blade NS was a big deal. But because of the changes I wrote above they do have the advantage of using purge for Legion + Healpot without disease and landing 1-2 attacks full damage without reduction from ws/con and disease poison against SB's. Sure sometimes you are lucky and you land your 2part stun after the purge but that is really rare and if you use your purge like that as SB you will be stunned shortly after. This is also the main reason you see so many Thrust inf's now. Before those changes you didn't really see any Thrust Infs.
Sun 19 Apr 2020 4:31 AM
by
Hypno
Nobody is mentioning the slash/thrust mixed spec infil possibilities at rr11
I am dissapointed
30 stealth
31 slash
31 thrust
44 cs
42 dw
29 envenom
I am dissapointed
30 stealth
31 slash
31 thrust
44 cs
42 dw
29 envenom
Sun 19 Apr 2020 6:06 AM
by
The Skies Asunder
There just really isn't a massive difference in them all as a whole. If I had to pick, I would say NS is best at low RR, and Inf is best at higher, but you can still win fights against any stealths regardless of which one you play. It has always been my experience that assassin fights (and archers to a much lesser extent here) are decided mostly by RNG, if the realm ranks are similar. Whoever gets more evades, or more procs will generally win. There are several SBs who have handed me a bad loss on the NS, and several Infs I have done the same too, even though the matchup generally works the other way as a blades NS.
If you are speaking of fights outside of the stealth war, then I would move the NS down just a bit against visible toons. That isn't to say they are weak at all, I just don't think they have as nice of matchups against visible toons because the armor tables for Hib blades are better against stealth, and worse against all Mid support/tanks (Not light tanks). Inf still has nine-hundred and forty-thousand spec points to work with, while thrust is also strong against Mid support/tanks. While SB gets slightly better poison application, and strong damage type to all the Hib support/tanks (not BM. And not Bard... but they can't fight back... Don't listen to people who tell you they can =P)
If you are speaking of fights outside of the stealth war, then I would move the NS down just a bit against visible toons. That isn't to say they are weak at all, I just don't think they have as nice of matchups against visible toons because the armor tables for Hib blades are better against stealth, and worse against all Mid support/tanks (Not light tanks). Inf still has nine-hundred and forty-thousand spec points to work with, while thrust is also strong against Mid support/tanks. While SB gets slightly better poison application, and strong damage type to all the Hib support/tanks (not BM. And not Bard... but they can't fight back... Don't listen to people who tell you they can =P)
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