amnesia - Phoenix Freeshard

What you do for one, you do for all. You dont NERF ONE REALMs ability (hib) and leave the other two alone. Nerf amnesia across the board if you want. All bards really have that is special is amnesia. Now you took that away and gave nothing in return. How does that make any sense? Bards are the weakest CC class out of the 3 realms and you nerf the only thing they use.
Give bards root. Give bards mez reduction. Give bards 2 songs. Revert amnesia range.

Don't Ruin your Server any more. Listen to your population.

Fri 17 Apr 2020 2:53 PM by mattymc

Forgive the OP -- he knows NOT of what he types.

Fri 17 Apr 2020 3:03 PM by necrolove1

oh so you want casted amnesia like the other realms i hear you say

Fri 17 Apr 2020 3:03 PM by necrolove1

mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 2:53 PM
Forgive the OP -- he knows NOT of what he types.

I loled

Fri 17 Apr 2020 3:05 PM by

Uthred

For any reasonable feedback about the amnesia change, pls use the following thread -> https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=12987

Fri 17 Apr 2020 4:12 PM by dbeattie71

Bry wrote: ↑
Fri 17 Apr 2020 2:46 PM
What you do for one, you do for all. You dont NERF ONE REALMs ability (hib) and leave the other two alone. Nerf amnesia across the board if you want. All bards really have that is special is amnesia. Now you took that away and gave nothing in return. How does that make any sense? Bards are the weakest CC class out of the 3 realms and you nerf the only thing they use.
Give bards root. Give bards mez reduction. Give bards 2 songs. Revert amnesia range.

Don't Ruin your Server any more. Listen to your population.

Only thing bards use is amnesia?

Sat 18 Apr 2020 11:50 AM by Bry

Uthred, there are 21 pages of reasonable feedback on the forums under that thread saying why it was a bad idea. Nerfing an already underpowered cc class is proof that those comments weren’t absorbed.

Sat 18 Apr 2020 2:57 PM by Expfighter

Bry wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 11:50 AM
Uthred, there are 21 pages of reasonable feedback on the forums under that thread saying why it was a bad idea. Nerfing an already underpowered cc class is proof that those comments weren’t absorbed.

LOL I have to laugh at the whining from hibs about the /nerfing of the OPed 2300 INSTANT Amnesia that breaks speed!
you want what the other realms get for amnesia, sure the casted amnesia is yours now, no more instant ENJOY!

Sat 18 Apr 2020 3:16 PM by necrolove1

Bry wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 11:50 AM
Uthred, there are 21 pages of reasonable feedback on the forums under that thread saying why it was a bad idea. Nerfing an already underpowered cc class is proof that those comments weren’t absorbed.

how on earth is bard "underpowered"

Mon 20 Apr 2020 7:59 AM by Sepplord

Bry wrote: ↑
Sat 18 Apr 2020 11:50 AM
Uthred, there are 21 pages of reasonable feedback on the forums under that thread saying why it was a bad idea. Nerfing an already underpowered cc class is proof that those comments weren’t absorbed.

Half of that feedback is not reasonable at all...
and of the reasonable posts, many are in favor of the change

Bards are also not the weakest CC class...they are a really strong class. They fill 2 must have groupslots at once while also providing ghettohealing.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:40 AM by Patron

Sepplord wrote: Half of that feedback is not reasonable at all... (1)
and of the reasonable posts, many are in favor of the change (2)

Bards are also not the weakest CC class... (3) they are a really strong class. They fill 2 must have groupslots at once while also providing ghettohealing. (4)

(1) Exciting you are the one who have the right to decide which post is reasonable. Very mighty (NOT!)
(2) There are more Albs and mids together then Hibs, so yeah, im same surprised as you (NOT!)
(3) Which one is the weakest class in your opinion? let me guess, the instant AOE stun Chainmailwearing Celeritygiving Healer which is able to Root and BoF and PR from Midgard right? Rofl...

(4) Which "must have" grouslots are this? Basebuffs, Speed and Mezz?

Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:42 AM by Riac

Patron wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:40 AM
Sepplord wrote: Half of that feedback is not reasonable at all... (1)
and of the reasonable posts, many are in favor of the change (2)

Bards are also not the weakest CC class... (3) they are a really strong class. They fill 2 must have groupslots at once while also providing ghettohealing. (4)

(1) Exciting you are the one who have the right to decide which post is reasonable. Very mighty (NOT!)
(2) There are more Albs and mids together then Hibs, so yeah, im same surprised as you (NOT!)
(3) Which one is the weakest class in your opinion? let me guess, the instant AOE stun Chainmailwearing Celeritygiving Healer which is able to Root and BoF and PR from Midgard right? Rofl...

(4) Which "must have" grouslots are this? Basebuffs, Speed and Mezz?

3. arent those all different specs? also, you wanna see some shitty specs. check out the healer on the charplan and see how many specs you can find that you like. The one with smaller AE mezz and more mend seems cool, but look at the radius are your AE mezz, its quite small.

Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:20 AM by Patron

Ok lets see the possible CC abilitys of the 3 CC-classes;

Sorc:
Mezzrange 1850 (but no instants),
Quickcast,
Root (single and AOE),
Castable Amnesia (single and AOE), permaspammable
Mezz Reduction Buff
Charm a pet which can help to CC
RA´s: Ichor, Mahlstrom

Healer:
Mezz (single and aoe and instant),
Stun (instant single and aoe),
Root,
Castable Amnesia (single and AOE), permaspammable
Combatspeeddebuff,
RA´s: ---

(a good Healer can hold you in PermaCC with Mezz, Stun, Root cycle)

Bard:
Instantamnesia (now on 2000 Range while other CC classes on 2300), not permaspammable
Mezz (single, aoe and instant)
instant-DD on 700 range for rupt
Bard have Bladeline which can sidesnare, but interrupt endu or speedchant for that
RA´s: -----
some can argueing that Bard have SOS, but this is in my opinion not a CC-Ability... its more a runawayability

So in my perception Sorc > Healer > Bard

Specs for Healer: i would go as CCer 48 Pac, 24 Mend

Mon 20 Apr 2020 9:23 AM by Sepplord

Patron wrote: ↑
Mon 20 Apr 2020 8:40 AM
Sepplord wrote: Half of that feedback is not reasonable at all... (1)
and of the reasonable posts, many are in favor of the change (2)

Bards are also not the weakest CC class... (3) they are a really strong class. They fill 2 must have groupslots at once while also providing ghettohealing. (4)

(1) Exciting you are the one who have the right to decide which post is reasonable. Very mighty (NOT!)
(2) There are more Albs and mids together then Hibs, so yeah, im same surprised as you (NOT!)
(3) Which one is the weakest class in your opinion? let me guess, the instant AOE stun Chainmailwearing Celeritygiving Healer which is able to Root and BoF and PR from Midgard right? Rofl...

(4) Which "must have" grouslots are this? Basebuffs, Speed and Mezz?

(1) Intresting how i didn't mention any specific post at all...I said that there are NOT 21pages of reasonable feedback because there are factually incorrect comments there too. That's the fun thing about facts. They aren't an opinion, and an opinion based on wrong things is not "reasonable feedback". Not me deciding anything...just facts.
(2) You are starting to argue strength of numbers, while i just stated "neither are there 21pages of reasonable feedback, nor are there 21pages of feedback against the change". Context is important and the number of hibs mids and albs are completely irrelevant to my statement (as a reminder, that statement being "there aren't 21pages of reasonable feedback against the change"
(3) each has their advantages and disadvantages and depending on different situations and requirements has the upper hand. When you need healing from your main-CCer then sorc is clearly the worst, when you need dmg sorc is clearly the best. When you need speed healer is the worst and bard the best. In a grpsetting every realm needs their sorc/bard/healer. When in a smallman setting every hibgrp needs a bard, not every alb/midgrp needs a sorc or heal.
(4) I am confused what is unclear. I said they fill 2musthave, you list them already yourself: CC and Speed
Speed is a requirement for anything that wants to reliably roam. CC is a requirement to have decent fighting chances against similar sized groups as soon as you are more than 2 (some might say more than 3...that'S deatable)

Mon 20 Apr 2020 10:03 AM by Mavella

Loooooool @ 48pac 24 mend healer spec. I've never played a healer in my life past thid but you would 100% he a detriment to your group running that spec.

It really takes all the credibility out of your bitching.