What's the more popular Savage spec at 50?

Which one is more popular?

H2H: 44
Savagery: 49

OR

H2H: 50
Savagery: 42

Thank you

Wed 20 Feb 2019 2:46 PM by Afuldan

49 savagery. The 25% DPS boost is deadly, and the other buffs keep you alive. A well healed 49 sav 44 weapon savage wrecks face.

Wed 20 Feb 2019 3:04 PM by DinoTriz

I found someone who ran tests between both specs and determined that 50 H2H was the way to go because the increased chance of Quad Hits, especially past RR10.

https://www.ign.com/boards/threads/savages-2h-or-h2h.452434410/

Another testing post: https://www.uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=39894

Thu 21 Feb 2019 2:55 AM by Afuldan

I haven’t seen that before. 50/39/18 looks interesting.

Thu 21 Feb 2019 4:02 AM by DinoTriz

Afuldan wrote: ↑
Thu 21 Feb 2019 2:55 AM
I haven’t seen that before. 50/39/18 looks interesting.

Yeah, they were also talking about how we really only need the slash resist buff since we're vulnerable to it, so I think that's why a lot go 40 Savagery.

Thu 21 Feb 2019 4:18 PM by Afuldan

50 h2h
40 sav
15 parry

End up with
5%base parry+
7.5% skill+
5.5% template skill+
Dex bonus+
21% self buff bonus=
39% to parry plus dex bonus. Very impressive parry rate. Higher than a warrior at 41 parry (not that 50/42/41 is a common spec)
I wasn’t sure about going so low in parry, but the self buff adds more than the skill does.
I see the logic in keeping the self buff health cost down as well.

Thu 21 Feb 2019 4:32 PM by DinoTriz

Afuldan wrote: ↑
Thu 21 Feb 2019 4:18 PM
50 h2h
40 sav
15 parry

End up with
5%base parry+
7.5% skill+
5.5% template skill+
Dex bonus+
21% self buff bonus=
39% to parry plus dex bonus. Very impressive parry rate. Higher than a warrior at 41 parry (not that 50/42/41 is a common spec)
I wasn’t sure about going so low in parry, but the self buff adds more than the skill does.
I see the logic in keeping the self buff health cost down as well.

The guy doing the testing saw exponential gains in quad hits when speccing higher H2H too. Apparently when you get RR10, the quad hit chance skyrockets.

Thu 21 Feb 2019 6:39 PM by Falken

H2H is a linear increase here (in that it increases the same amount at each point for more double/triple/quad hit chance). 50 h2h is the best spec, with however much you want to put into savagery depending on the additional resists you want, 39 savagery being the baseline. I am only saying what I was told by gruenes_schaf in beta when I asked about this... maybe I can dig up the thread. Here you go:
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2163&p=11860&hilit=savage#p11860

Thu 21 Feb 2019 6:45 PM by DinoTriz

Falken wrote: ↑
Thu 21 Feb 2019 6:39 PM
H2H is a linear increase here (in that it increases the same amount at each point for more triple/quad hit chance) it is custom to the server, I assume, I would not trust old data, that being said 50 h2h is the best spec, with however much you want to put into savagery depending on the additional resists you want, 39 savagery being the baseline. I am only saying what I was told by gruenes_schaf in beta when I asked about this... maybe I can dig up the thread.

Good to know.

I know it's anecdotal and doesn't necessarily apply to endgame, but...

I personally noticed a huge improvement by keeping my H2H equal with my level while leveling up.

Not sure if it stays that way until 50, but I think I'll definitely try it out.

Sat 23 Feb 2019 3:29 PM by sinadin

I am 50h2h / 39sav as well - what is the way to go in terms of styles?

after parry with taunt backup or after evade styles?

talking about pve or fights vs the occasional stealthers.

Is just me or is it really hard to track if the sidestyle has landed (followup is a 9 seconds stun)?

thanks

Mon 25 Feb 2019 1:17 PM by DinoTriz

sinadin wrote: ↑
Sat 23 Feb 2019 3:29 PM
I am 50h2h / 39sav as well - what is the way to go in terms of styles?

after parry with taunt backup or after evade styles?

talking about pve or fights vs the occasional stealthers.

Is just me or is it really hard to track if the sidestyle has landed (followup is a 9 seconds stun)?

thanks

I think in terms of styles, being at least 44 H2H is recommended. The 9 sec stun is amazing for RVR and really PVE (group) as well. Your side styles are essentially your hardest hitting styles for grouping and the 9 sec stun helps in terms of CC/damage mitigation.

I have my hotbar setup in a general purpose way. So it works with Solo/Grouping for both PVE and RVR.

I have Wild Call (anytime) on Slot 1.

Then Clan's Call on Slot 2. I don't use its followup to save space. I only use this when people are running from me.

On Slot 3, I have the side style Kelgor's Fist. This is my primary style I aim to use first in both PVE & RVR.

Side style followup 9 second stun on Slot 4.

Then I add in my evade and parry styles after that, but I don't add the 3rd styles. I might reconsider that.

I put Evade on Slots 5 and 6.

Parry on 7 and 8.

I usually only use those for solo PVE or solo RVR. Savage haste buff makes it easy to use in those awkward keybinds, so it's not so bad.

Sat 2 Mar 2019 9:19 PM by Physicsx

has anyone tried 50 sword and going 2handed? would it be any good?

Sat 2 Mar 2019 9:22 PM by DinoTriz

Physicsx wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Mar 2019 9:19 PM
has anyone tried 50 sword and going 2handed? would it be any good?

From what everything I've read so far, 2 handed is fun, but it's not as effective as Hand to Hand.

Sun 3 Mar 2019 7:31 AM by Lanfear

no multi-hits with 2h. so its not worth it.

Mon 11 Mar 2019 7:59 PM by nastrand

Lanfear wrote: ↑
Sun 3 Mar 2019 7:31 AM
no multi-hits with 2h. so its not worth it.

Yeah I did not know that when i created and leveled up. I just knew what I loved back on live when Savage came out and that was my Troll 2H Savage.
I make up for the lack of no multi-hit with Mastery of Pain so I crit a lot. 17% chance. I am not sure what a triple or quad % chance is.

When H2H savages are hitting for 60-70 MH and I am hitting for 200-350. on PVE bosses I am hitting for 600-750. I crit for those amounts as well and swing at cap speed too. I still play for the fun and I have fun with 2H.

Using Dragonstorm 5.8 dly Hammer. 44 hammer 49 savage.

Mon 11 Mar 2019 8:05 PM by DinoTriz

nastrand wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Mar 2019 7:59 PM
Lanfear wrote: ↑
Sun 3 Mar 2019 7:31 AM
no multi-hits with 2h. so its not worth it.

Yeah I did not know that when i created and leveled up. I just knew what I loved back on live when Savage came out and that was my Troll 2H Savage.
I make up for the lack of no multi-hit with Mastery of Pain so I crit a lot. 17% chance. I am not sure what a triple or quad % chance is.

When H2H savages are hitting for 60-70 MH and I am hitting for 200-350. on PVE bosses I am hitting for 600-750. I crit for those amounts as well and swing at cap speed too. I still play for the fun and I have fun with 2H. Using Dragonstorm 5.8 dly Hammer. 44 hammer 49 savage.

60-70 sounds a little low. My Savage is hitting way higher than that with 15.9 H2H weapons. It rivals my Berserker, who hits for 250+ per hit. (with main hand)

Mon 11 Mar 2019 8:07 PM by nastrand

DinoTriz wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Mar 2019 8:05 PM
nastrand wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Mar 2019 7:59 PM
Lanfear wrote: ↑
Sun 3 Mar 2019 7:31 AM
no multi-hits with 2h. so its not worth it.

Yeah I did not know that when i created and leveled up. I just knew what I loved back on live when Savage came out and that was my Troll 2H Savage.
I make up for the lack of no multi-hit with Mastery of Pain so I crit a lot. 17% chance. I am not sure what a triple or quad % chance is.

When H2H savages are hitting for 60-70 MH and I am hitting for 200-350. on PVE bosses I am hitting for 600-750. I crit for those amounts as well and swing at cap speed too. I still play for the fun and I have fun with 2H. Using Dragonstorm 5.8 dly Hammer. 44 hammer 49 savage.

60-70 sounds a little low. My Savage is hitting way higher than that with 15.9 H2H weapons. It rivals my Berserker, who hits for 250+ per hit. (with main hand)

this was on knights and stuff down in DF not on other people.

Tue 12 Mar 2019 8:10 AM by Sepplord

nastrand wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Mar 2019 7:59 PM
Lanfear wrote: ↑
Sun 3 Mar 2019 7:31 AM
no multi-hits with 2h. so its not worth it.

Yeah I did not know that when i created and leveled up. I just knew what I loved back on live when Savage came out and that was my Troll 2H Savage.
I make up for the lack of no multi-hit with Mastery of Pain so I crit a lot. 17% chance. I am not sure what a triple or quad % chance is.

When H2H savages are hitting for 60-70 MH and I am hitting for 200-350. on PVE bosses I am hitting for 600-750. I crit for those amounts as well and swing at cap speed too. I still play for the fun and I have fun with 2H. Using Dragonstorm 5.8 dly Hammer. 44 hammer 49 savage.

if you are having fun, you are doing it right. Not trying to spoil your fun here...

but one thing i don't understand, how do you "make up" for anything with having MoP??
A H2H savage would also have MoP and get the same benefits from it, that doesn't change the comparison at all

Tue 12 Mar 2019 6:14 PM by Kohi

I hesitated between 44 h2h/49 sv & 50 h2h/39 sv spec, and finally decided to give it a try with 50 h2h ... 43 sv

My playstyle is more axed on afterevade combo as afterparry (i like the debuff and better gr), so i decided to skip parry points to increase sv, getting that way last red endu heal, slash/thrust yellow res. I have no idea if this was a good choice or not, but i simply didn't feel investing in parry. /shrug
Despite being a troll, even if unbuffed, by using the evade buff, i generally can place at least 1 after evade, often 2, and even 3 with an ora mob.
Anyway, the increased dmg from 50 h2h vs 44 is not the main reason for the fullspec, but either the increased possibility of triples/quads.
We'll see how it works out. =)

Wed 13 Mar 2019 2:02 PM by nastrand

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 12 Mar 2019 8:10 AM
nastrand wrote: ↑
Mon 11 Mar 2019 7:59 PM
Lanfear wrote: ↑
Sun 3 Mar 2019 7:31 AM
no multi-hits with 2h. so its not worth it.

Yeah I did not know that when i created and leveled up. I just knew what I loved back on live when Savage came out and that was my Troll 2H Savage.
I make up for the lack of no multi-hit with Mastery of Pain so I crit a lot. 17% chance. I am not sure what a triple or quad % chance is.

When H2H savages are hitting for 60-70 MH and I am hitting for 200-350. on PVE bosses I am hitting for 600-750. I crit for those amounts as well and swing at cap speed too. I still play for the fun and I have fun with 2H. Using Dragonstorm 5.8 dly Hammer. 44 hammer 49 savage.

if you are having fun, you are doing it right. Not trying to spoil your fun here...

but one thing i don't understand, how do you "make up" for anything with having MoP??
A H2H savage would also have MoP and get the same benefits from it, that doesn't change the comparison at all

Oh I see how my sentence could be confusing. I meant make up for my lack of 2x hit chance with 2H. Not comparing anything towards H2H there.

I wonder why 2H savage does not have double hit chance. Was that not in from the beginning of savage class? I definitely do not remember.

Wed 13 Mar 2019 2:19 PM by DinoTriz

nastrand wrote: ↑
Wed 13 Mar 2019 2:02 PM
I wonder why 2H savage does not have double hit chance. Was that not in from the beginning of savage class? I definitely do not remember.

I think it existed in earlier patches and it was hilariously OP, so they nerfed it.

Wed 13 Mar 2019 3:19 PM by Durgrim

DinoTriz wrote: ↑
Wed 13 Mar 2019 2:19 PM
nastrand wrote: ↑
Wed 13 Mar 2019 2:02 PM
I wonder why 2H savage does not have double hit chance. Was that not in from the beginning of savage class? I definitely do not remember.

I think it existed in earlier patches and it was hilariously OP, so they nerfed it.

one shotting paladins with a quad hit + crit and dragonfury

pretty awesome idea

defiasbandit wanna suggest sth?