RM in pve (raids / dungeons) and RvR

Heya, are Runemasters a desired class for high-end pve and RvR 8m? I know that BDs are great and whatnot (played one on live), and toyed with a RM on last classic live server (no toa etc) with a debuff caster grp, but how are things here on Phoenix?

I presume for group leveling PBT and dmg add are most important additions to groups from a RM (if desired at all). Solo xp could go either RC for kill task / collection, or Dark.

And RvR? I presume a dark RM would work nice as the only caster in a tank group, and a RC RM would be wanted in a caster debuff grp. Which one is most common?

And lastly, about how many plats is a decent template @50 here on Mid? Much appreciated!

Mon 13 May 2019 12:45 PM by Anelyn77

The reason why I was asking for template price @50 is because on alb I was told a theurg temp is as cheap as 1.5p which you pretty much get by leveling to 50 in any way or shape. So was curious if on mid things are equal or more pricey, cheers!

(still waiting for any input on my other questions as well, much appreciated)

Mon 13 May 2019 1:22 PM by Mura

RM are alright, but not a necessity. Pbt and nearsight are nice, but with cure NS and the size of zergs on this server, I found that I preferred a melee for both raids and pvp.

As far as temps, they're incredibly cheap. Get a raid staff and TG chest, a bunch of 50ish util jewelry and a set of 99 cloth is dirt cheap. Paying a SC is probably the most expensive part.

Mon 13 May 2019 2:12 PM by Anelyn77

Much appreciated! Well as long as you still get invites to raids / dungeons as a RM or RvR groups is all cool, yeah I know zergs are a thing, it's OF after all, place is small ^_^

Mon 13 May 2019 2:32 PM by Mura

Raids absolutely will take a RM (hell, raid leaders will take anybody that is 50 and can fog a mirror and isn't afk the whole time)

I've cleared DS once with my RM with a random pug and haven't been back in on him since. Seems DS is pretty rare and the few that do run it only want melee dps.

For Rvr most groups will only run 1 RM and we're a pretty popular class so finding a pug is tough. Display some skill and make a name for yourself though and I'm sure you can find a regular group.

Mon 13 May 2019 2:53 PM by Anelyn77

Cheers, planning on it! Played on pryd/excal on live, had a R9L8 sorc as main, played hib casters / bard, mid SM / BD / SB. It shouldn't take me too long to adapt to phoenix and find some nice peeps to hang out and play with!

Thanks once more ^_^

Tue 14 May 2019 11:15 AM by Sepplord

i wonder how a temp could be as cheap as 1,5p....are you sure they weren't just referring to the cost of crafting the base armor?
Proccs alone cost about 1,5plat materialprice.

That said though temping an RM is very easy and cheap too, and will not take much additional farmtime after lvl50 to get started

Tue 14 May 2019 11:45 AM by REVOLTE

dont get me wrong. you CAN build a castertemp for 1.5p as a starter temp. dont expect reactive procs tho.
although.....on this server....im pretty sure that, with enough patience, one could even build a temp with all but 2-3 pieces full ROGs and do just fine.

as for runemasters....
yes they have their uses....the demand is there.....but its not very high to be fair.

Tue 14 May 2019 11:47 AM by Anelyn77

I haven't templated yet, it's what I've been told by several 50's (some friends, others in /advice) so there must be some truth in it.

Tue 14 May 2019 11:52 AM by Anelyn77

REVOLTE wrote: ↑
Tue 14 May 2019 11:45 AM
as for runemasters....
yes they have their uses....the demand is there.....but its not very high to be fair.

Maybe hib shroom rooter emergency will create room for more caster grps in mid, who knows!

Obviously compared to alb where most groups must have a sorc a cabby and a theurg (or are better off having them than not), on mid things are more melee friendly, to my knowledge from live servers, used to be a dark RM single caster in tank groups, or RC RM as MA in caster groups.

Plus as long as there will be keep takes / defends and Zergs, I highly doubt RMs will be walled off completely from RvR (they aren't as bad a wizards for example, and even those can work in some groups!)

\o/

Tue 14 May 2019 12:22 PM by REVOLTE

many things can work here.
this server is rly all about: play what you enjoy personally - ull find a way to make it work somehow.
i got a RM myself, temp is done, gonna hit 50 today and while its inferior to for example cab, menta or eld(MY PERSONAL opinion

)....its still a fun class where good players can do a lot of work.

Tue 14 May 2019 12:26 PM by Anelyn77

Yup, in a game like DaoC, positioning and communication play a greater role than the class you play. And having fun doing whatever you're doing is more important than min-maxing and fotm IMHO.

Regarding end game PvE, raids / dungeons, what is the common RM spec that is desired? As I would pretty much like to be able to hop on every event that I see gets organized to get at least credit and feathers, and if this will limit my options regarding RvR spec won't mind it much if said raids / dungeons are frequent enough to justify it, cheers!

Tue 14 May 2019 4:00 PM by Mura

For raids, many groups (especially the main tank group, for sure) will want a deep supp spec for that 6s bubble and each raid will want at least 1 deep RC runie as a cold debuff bot.

That said, most groups will make due with the 10s bubble if you wanted to do something like 47 dark/26 supp, and RC runies are common enough that finding 1 to debuff isn't tough.

Tue 14 May 2019 5:55 PM by Anelyn77

That is great news, much appreciated! Just spending a bit more time in thid to grab couple important RA's before pushing to 50 \o/