So I am almost completely new to this awesome game, and I really love the warrior. I've leveled a troll warr up to 25, but I'm having second thoughts about the race. I know trolls hit hardest, but dorfs are cooler. Would I gimp myself too much by switching to dorf? And if not, where should I put my starter points?
Race for warrior?
Started 21 Feb 2019
by
gigantor275
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Midgard
Thu 21 Feb 2019 3:59 PM
by
chryso
Dorf works ok if you have the eyepatch. Otherwise, no.
Thu 21 Feb 2019 4:04 PM
by
Afuldan
Dwarf has highest con possible so it’s a good choice for a defensive warrior.
Fri 22 Feb 2019 7:58 AM
by
dudis
Dwarf also has free 5% body resist.
Go 10 str/con/qui probably. Dex is overrated unless you're a PvE blockbot.
Troll is a solid option for the high STR.
Go 10 str/con/qui probably. Dex is overrated unless you're a PvE blockbot.
Troll is a solid option for the high STR.
Fri 22 Feb 2019 1:11 PM
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tsteken
Troll masterrace, and Dwarf good runnerup.
Norse is like master of none.
Kobold has worthless strength and block dex is overrated.
Allinall anything works. But just as a Kobold skald is gimped so is kobold.
Norse is like master of none.
Kobold has worthless strength and block dex is overrated.
Allinall anything works. But just as a Kobold skald is gimped so is kobold.
Fri 22 Feb 2019 8:24 PM
by
Fensus
You forgot the coolest looking warrior race of all: Valkyn
Sun 24 Feb 2019 2:49 PM
by
BigX
gigantor275 wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 3:40 PMSo I am almost completely new to this awesome game, and I really love the warrior. I've leveled a troll warr up to 25, but I'm having second thoughts about the race. I know trolls hit hardest, but dorfs are cooler. Would I gimp myself too much by switching to dorf? And if not, where should I put my starter points?
norse is considered the best choice among good players. warriors role is to peel/guard for your casters/supports. dmg is secondary. troll gets higher WS which is good for landing slam more consistently but also gets the slowest swing spd out of all races. kobold gets the lowest dmg and highest miss chance on slam but fastest attack spd.
norse is a good middle ground and therefor chosen by most good players. you dont have to worry much about the amount of base dex as the difference in how much you block from kobold to troll is about 2%. any other race than those 3 is questionable.
Sun 24 Feb 2019 3:23 PM
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Afuldan
BigX wrote: ↑Sun 24 Feb 2019 2:49 PMgigantor275 wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 3:40 PMSo I am almost completely new to this awesome game, and I really love the warrior. I've leveled a troll warr up to 25, but I'm having second thoughts about the race. I know trolls hit hardest, but dorfs are cooler. Would I gimp myself too much by switching to dorf? And if not, where should I put my starter points?
norse is considered the best choice among good players. warriors role is to peel/guard for your casters/supports. dmg is secondary. troll gets higher WS which is good for landing slam more consistently but also gets the slowest swing spd out of all races. kobold gets the lowest dmg and highest miss chance on slam but fastest attack spd.
norse is a good middle ground and therefor chosen by most good players. you dont have to worry much about the amount of base dex as the difference in how much you block from kobold to troll is about 2%. any other race than those 3 is questionable.
Just as the block rate between Kobold and Troll is about 2%, the Quickness difference between Norse/Troll isnt very signifigant. 15 points of Quick/Dex isn’t going to make a huge difference.
But as a Troll, you are gonna get clicked on first 9/10 times.
Sun 24 Feb 2019 3:33 PM
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BigX
Afuldan wrote: ↑Sun 24 Feb 2019 3:23 PMBigX wrote: ↑Sun 24 Feb 2019 2:49 PMgigantor275 wrote: ↑Thu 21 Feb 2019 3:40 PMSo I am almost completely new to this awesome game, and I really love the warrior. I've leveled a troll warr up to 25, but I'm having second thoughts about the race. I know trolls hit hardest, but dorfs are cooler. Would I gimp myself too much by switching to dorf? And if not, where should I put my starter points?
norse is considered the best choice among good players. warriors role is to peel/guard for your casters/supports. dmg is secondary. troll gets higher WS which is good for landing slam more consistently but also gets the slowest swing spd out of all races. kobold gets the lowest dmg and highest miss chance on slam but fastest attack spd.
norse is a good middle ground and therefor chosen by most good players. you dont have to worry much about the amount of base dex as the difference in how much you block from kobold to troll is about 2%. any other race than those 3 is questionable.
Just as the block rate between Kobold and Troll is about 2%, the Quickness difference between Norse/Troll isnt very signifigant. 15 points of Quick/Dex isn’t going to make a huge difference.
But as a Troll, you are gonna get clicked on first 9/10 times.
no its not very significant but it scales alot more than dex. also kobold gets much lower dmg. also lol, no remotely decent group will target stuff based on race. that beeing said, beeing targetted first on warrior is actually a good thing :p
norse > troll >>> kobold
Sun 24 Feb 2019 3:36 PM
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Afuldan
Oh yeah totally wouldn’t suggest Kobold to anyone except just PvE blockbot.
I would argue that if you are either in an assist train or going solo, Troll just for the free AugStr5 over the Norse is good for the extra damage.
I would argue that if you are either in an assist train or going solo, Troll just for the free AugStr5 over the Norse is good for the extra damage.
Sun 24 Feb 2019 3:39 PM
by
BigX
Afuldan wrote: ↑Sun 24 Feb 2019 3:36 PMOh yeah totally wouldn’t suggest Kobold to anyone except just PvE blockbot.
I would argue that if you are either in an assist train or going solo, Troll just for the free AugStr5 over the Norse is good for the extra damage.
ye troll is by no means a terrible choice. its just not the BEST choice to fit the classes job. its definitely a viable choice tho.
Sun 24 Feb 2019 6:00 PM
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Jaxx
Depend of your gameplay, warrior troll is viable in offensive and ordinary peeler, with a second shield (thane?) i think the 2H 5.8 with RR have a good burst in assist.
Is not the primary role of War, but its a possibility
Is not the primary role of War, but its a possibility
Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:38 AM
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dudis
I would still argue that Dwarf is a good contender, at least better than Norseman.
That 5% Body resist is pretty huge tbh, and the dmg difference between a dwarf and norse will barely be noticeable.
Go troll or dwarf.
That 5% Body resist is pretty huge tbh, and the dmg difference between a dwarf and norse will barely be noticeable.
Go troll or dwarf.
Sat 27 Apr 2019 1:19 PM
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Cruella
im goin to start on mid but would like toplay a valkyn warrior. Thought about +15 str 10con. Race already has high quickness.
my main goal is peeler in rvr and i really dont like the optics of troll and dwarf. am i going to get invited or are such race combos a no go here?
my main goal is peeler in rvr and i really dont like the optics of troll and dwarf. am i going to get invited or are such race combos a no go here?
Sat 27 Apr 2019 4:14 PM
by
Loko
A few elitist groups might care, but you will get invites regardless of your racial choice (even more so if you get a decent guild).
Sun 28 Apr 2019 1:51 PM
by
Kappu
The simple fact is that on a classic freeshard like this you will barely notice any difference in race on the Warrior class.
You can actually minimize the effects fairly drastically with starting stat points and you should just look at what the stats will be at 50.
Dwarf
105 Strength 103 Con 65 Dex 50 Quick
Kobold
95 Str 73 Con 85 Dex 70 Quick
Norse
115 Str 93 Con 65 Dex 50 Quick
Troll
145 Str 93 Con 50 Dex 35 Quick
Valkyn
100 Str 68 Con 80 Dex 75 Quick
Hit Points:
The difference in hit points on the base stats are 1396 to 1602 and this isn't considering your starting attribute points so the spread is more likely 100 between the classes assuming you put points where they should go on any given race.
Weaponskill and Weaponspeed
Yes with the higher strength comes more weaponskill, but the issue that is involved here is that a Kobold and Valkyn are more likely to cap swing speed or get closer to it than a Troll ever will.
Weapnskill Gap Troll at RR1 with 50 spec in the weapon will have 1146 WS a Kobold will have 952 so again about a 200 point spread without considering starting attribute points. +15 strength on a Kobold will put them at 1010 WS.
Weaponspeed Gap Troll vs. Valky this is with a 5.8 Spd Weapon and 12% Haste and +75 in SC. Troll is at 4.5 seconds and a Valkyn will be at 4.1 seconds. Troll with +15 Quick at creation is at 4.4 seconds.
I'd bet that in a wash on damage over time you're about equal on all races based on WSkill and WSpeed. Based on race when you start picking up Aug's for RA's you'll just be picking Quickness on a Troll and Strength on a Kobold which is further mitigating these gaps. So basically the only argument would be if the 100 hit points is a deciding factor.
The goal of this post is to show you that if your not into min/max that they are all pretty equal. What you gain on the one you give on another and this doesn't even consider racial resists which I think are more important on Classic than other servers.
Play what you want because it really doesn't make that much of a difference in the end.
You can actually minimize the effects fairly drastically with starting stat points and you should just look at what the stats will be at 50.
Dwarf
105 Strength 103 Con 65 Dex 50 Quick
Kobold
95 Str 73 Con 85 Dex 70 Quick
Norse
115 Str 93 Con 65 Dex 50 Quick
Troll
145 Str 93 Con 50 Dex 35 Quick
Valkyn
100 Str 68 Con 80 Dex 75 Quick
Hit Points:
The difference in hit points on the base stats are 1396 to 1602 and this isn't considering your starting attribute points so the spread is more likely 100 between the classes assuming you put points where they should go on any given race.
Weaponskill and Weaponspeed
Yes with the higher strength comes more weaponskill, but the issue that is involved here is that a Kobold and Valkyn are more likely to cap swing speed or get closer to it than a Troll ever will.
Weapnskill Gap Troll at RR1 with 50 spec in the weapon will have 1146 WS a Kobold will have 952 so again about a 200 point spread without considering starting attribute points. +15 strength on a Kobold will put them at 1010 WS.
Weaponspeed Gap Troll vs. Valky this is with a 5.8 Spd Weapon and 12% Haste and +75 in SC. Troll is at 4.5 seconds and a Valkyn will be at 4.1 seconds. Troll with +15 Quick at creation is at 4.4 seconds.
I'd bet that in a wash on damage over time you're about equal on all races based on WSkill and WSpeed. Based on race when you start picking up Aug's for RA's you'll just be picking Quickness on a Troll and Strength on a Kobold which is further mitigating these gaps. So basically the only argument would be if the 100 hit points is a deciding factor.
The goal of this post is to show you that if your not into min/max that they are all pretty equal. What you gain on the one you give on another and this doesn't even consider racial resists which I think are more important on Classic than other servers.
Play what you want because it really doesn't make that much of a difference in the end.
Sun 28 Apr 2019 5:34 PM
by
suicide19
Very good summary there Kappu!
- Trolls get targeted, trolls can't hide. No one ever thinks you're a caster or healer.
- Norse/Dwarf/Kobold + small shield = good aggro magnets, Nearsight decoys.
- Valkyn good resists and as often stated: cool running style.
- Trolls get targeted, trolls can't hide. No one ever thinks you're a caster or healer.
- Norse/Dwarf/Kobold + small shield = good aggro magnets, Nearsight decoys.
- Valkyn good resists and as often stated: cool running style.
Sun 28 Apr 2019 5:55 PM
by
gotwqqd
Norse
Mon 29 Apr 2019 2:45 AM
by
HtGeist
Troll or valkyn str for big hits with 2hander or valkyn for resists,block and swingspeed but thats just me the pimp limp rules,but i had to make a troll warrior named Kampesten (boulder directly translated )
Mon 29 Apr 2019 12:38 PM
by
Cruella
Kappu wrote: ↑Sun 28 Apr 2019 1:51 PMThe simple fact is that on a classic freeshard like this you will barely notice any difference in race on the Warrior class.
You can actually minimize the effects fairly drastically with starting stat points and you should just look at what the stats will be at 50.
Dwarf
105 Strength 103 Con 65 Dex 50 Quick
Kobold
95 Str 73 Con 85 Dex 70 Quick
Norse
115 Str 93 Con 65 Dex 50 Quick
Troll
145 Str 93 Con 50 Dex 35 Quick
Valkyn
100 Str 68 Con 80 Dex 75 Quick
Hit Points:
The difference in hit points on the base stats are 1396 to 1602 and this isn't considering your starting attribute points so the spread is more likely 100 between the classes assuming you put points where they should go on any given race.
Weaponskill and Weaponspeed
Yes with the higher strength comes more weaponskill, but the issue that is involved here is that a Kobold and Valkyn are more likely to cap swing speed or get closer to it than a Troll ever will.
Weapnskill Gap Troll at RR1 with 50 spec in the weapon will have 1146 WS a Kobold will have 952 so again about a 200 point spread without considering starting attribute points. +15 strength on a Kobold will put them at 1010 WS.
Weaponspeed Gap Troll vs. Valky this is with a 5.8 Spd Weapon and 12% Haste and +75 in SC. Troll is at 4.5 seconds and a Valkyn will be at 4.1 seconds. Troll with +15 Quick at creation is at 4.4 seconds.
I'd bet that in a wash on damage over time you're about equal on all races based on WSkill and WSpeed. Based on race when you start picking up Aug's for RA's you'll just be picking Quickness on a Troll and Strength on a Kobold which is further mitigating these gaps. So basically the only argument would be if the 100 hit points is a deciding factor.
The goal of this post is to show you that if your not into min/max that they are all pretty equal. What you gain on the one you give on another and this doesn't even consider racial resists which I think are more important on Classic than other servers.
Play what you want because it really doesn't make that much of a difference in the end.
Tnx for all the great responses !
I created my female valkyn yesterday with +15 con +10 str start. I guess im going to do well
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