piero wrote: ↑Thu 26 Mar 2020 7:14 PMThx for replies, I will do dwarf for better ratial resistances, qq I love sword, but will give a try with spear.
I though spec at 50 lvl
42 bm
44 spear
27 bow
Rest in stealt, I think more than 35, suppose 38 if I remember well
darkstar00 wrote: ↑Sat 4 Apr 2020 3:59 PMSpear is dex/str based so norse/kobbie/valk all have the same dps out of the gate with a combined str/dex of 120 / 2 = 67.5
Valk is easiest to max quickness since you start at 75 + 23 + 75 (suit stats) + 63 (d/q hunter buff @lvl 40) = 237 + 10(starting stat) = 247 at 50 with temp.
I would do starting stats of +10 con / +10 quick / +10 str. Quick is better bang for the buck over dex since it affects evasion along with dex, but also affects wep speed.
Then grab aug con 3-4 to make up for the low health and also aug str 3-4 as well to improve ws and damage.
If you can't stand the pimp limp then norse or kobbie. Dwarf is ok but you need more Aug to stats to be on par with other races.
inoeth wrote: ↑Sun 5 Apr 2020 12:09 PMdarkstar00 wrote: ↑Sat 4 Apr 2020 3:59 PMSpear is dex/str based so norse/kobbie/valk all have the same dps out of the gate with a combined str/dex of 120 / 2 = 67.5
Valk is easiest to max quickness since you start at 75 + 23 + 75 (suit stats) + 63 (d/q hunter buff @lvl 40) = 237 + 10(starting stat) = 247 at 50 with temp.
I would do starting stats of +10 con / +10 quick / +10 str. Quick is better bang for the buck over dex since it affects evasion along with dex, but also affects wep speed.
Then grab aug con 3-4 to make up for the low health and also aug str 3-4 as well to improve ws and damage.
If you can't stand the pimp limp then norse or kobbie. Dwarf is ok but you need more Aug to stats to be on par with other races.
yellow d/q buffs for 78
never spec auf con lol
dwarf>all
darkstar00 wrote: ↑Sun 5 Apr 2020 4:58 PMinoeth wrote: ↑Sun 5 Apr 2020 12:09 PMdarkstar00 wrote: ↑Sat 4 Apr 2020 3:59 PMSpear is dex/str based so norse/kobbie/valk all have the same dps out of the gate with a combined str/dex of 120 / 2 = 67.5
Valk is easiest to max quickness since you start at 75 + 23 + 75 (suit stats) + 63 (d/q hunter buff @lvl 40) = 237 + 10(starting stat) = 247 at 50 with temp.
I would do starting stats of +10 con / +10 quick / +10 str. Quick is better bang for the buck over dex since it affects evasion along with dex, but also affects wep speed.
Then grab aug con 3-4 to make up for the low health and also aug str 3-4 as well to improve ws and damage.
If you can't stand the pimp limp then norse or kobbie. Dwarf is ok but you need more Aug to stats to be on par with other races.
yellow d/q buffs for 78
never spec auf con lol
dwarf>all
dwarf is shit you need the most aug to stats to compensate for their average starting stats. At least aug str/dex/quick
As Inoeth said:darkstar00 wrote: ↑Sat 4 Apr 2020 3:59 PMSpear is dex/str based so norse/kobbie/valk all have the same dps out of the gate with a combined str/dex of 120 / 2 = 67.5
Valk is easiest to max quickness since you start at 75 + 23 + 75 (suit stats) + 63 (d/q hunter buff @lvl 40) = 237 + 10(starting stat) = 247 at 50 with temp.
I would do starting stats of +10 con / +10 quick / +10 str. Quick is better bang for the buck over dex since it affects evasion along with dex, but also affects wep speed.
Then grab aug con 3-4 to make up for the low health and also aug str 3-4 as well to improve ws and damage.
If you can't stand the pimp limp then norse or kobbie. Dwarf is ok but you need more Aug to stats to be on par with other races.
Nunki wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 1:38 PMAs Inoeth said:darkstar00 wrote: ↑Sat 4 Apr 2020 3:59 PMSpear is dex/str based so norse/kobbie/valk all have the same dps out of the gate with a combined str/dex of 120 / 2 = 67.5
Valk is easiest to max quickness since you start at 75 + 23 + 75 (suit stats) + 63 (d/q hunter buff @lvl 40) = 237 + 10(starting stat) = 247 at 50 with temp.
I would do starting stats of +10 con / +10 quick / +10 str. Quick is better bang for the buck over dex since it affects evasion along with dex, but also affects wep speed.
Then grab aug con 3-4 to make up for the low health and also aug str 3-4 as well to improve ws and damage.
If you can't stand the pimp limp then norse or kobbie. Dwarf is ok but you need more Aug to stats to be on par with other races.
- Yellow D/Q = 78, which means that as a Valk, you hit 251 Quickness (hardcap for weapon speed is 250) WITHOUT any starting stats in quickness or RA's.
- Which is the reason that 10 Quick is a waste of points (as Valk), I would recommend 10 Dex, 10 Str, 10 Const.
- Aug Con is an absolute waste of points, go for Toughness instead (or something else thats useful).
- Many players swear on Dawrf due to high Con and therefore better utilization of IP, but you need something around MoArcane 7 to hit the 250 quick hardcap, which is a must have for a Hunter.
Conclusion: For a Valkyn with 42bc, starting points in Quickness AND/OR Aug Quick is a total waste of points. Don't do it.
Additionally what Dunga said.
I am actually RR6 on Valk, which is nice due to the fact that you hit 250 quickness without any RA investments.
At 8l2+, I may race respec on dwarf with IP3, Purge3, MoArcane7+, rest in Aug Dex and Toughness. Supported by the recent MOP nerf.
Valk has better resis than Kobi, preferrable as a low RA-invest version.
Dwarf utilizes IP and MoArcane better, which is an absolute pro-argument.
darkstar00 wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 5:23 PMWhere is this +78 d/q buff coming from?
I'm just talking about the hunters d/q buff at 40 bc or whatever it is which is +63
Freedomcall wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 5:35 PMdarkstar00 wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 5:23 PMWhere is this +78 d/q buff coming from?
I'm just talking about the hunters d/q buff at 40 bc or whatever it is which is +63
Buff 'spells' from player on DAoC gets *1.25 value.
So 63*1.25=78(round down)
Why do you argue with real hunter player when you have never played one
Dunga wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 4:07 PMmoa is my Favorit ra for dwarf/norse hunter. 9 quick at start, moa7 and 40bcbuff brings me to 250quick. the increase is higher with moa! +more af…. and it buffs all buffs…..
darkstar00 wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 6:13 PMDunga wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 4:07 PMmoa is my Favorit ra for dwarf/norse hunter. 9 quick at start, moa7 and 40bcbuff brings me to 250quick. the increase is higher with moa! +more af…. and it buffs all buffs…..
How do you arrive at 250 quick?
If i'm reading your post correctly, then you start with 59 quickness. + 75 + 23 +78 = 235 quick. I'm not sure how MOA factors into wep speed but MOA 7 is 11% for 20 RA pts.
Aug quick 4 would cost you 7 pts and bring your quick up to exactly 252... and you also add to your evade rate.
using talsyra wep speed calc (idk if this is the exact calc on phoenix)
wep spd: 5.0
quick: 252 (sets it to 250 for cap)
MOA: 5 (can't go past 5)
Additional Haste: 14% due to combined forces( or is this 21% with 1.5x to buffs?)
Swing speed: 2.201
Just trying to understand is all, thanks.
inoeth wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 7:14 PMdarkstar00 wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 6:13 PMDunga wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 4:07 PMmoa is my Favorit ra for dwarf/norse hunter. 9 quick at start, moa7 and 40bcbuff brings me to 250quick. the increase is higher with moa! +more af…. and it buffs all buffs…..
How do you arrive at 250 quick?
If i'm reading your post correctly, then you start with 59 quickness. + 75 + 23 +78 = 235 quick. I'm not sure how MOA factors into wep speed but MOA 7 is 11% for 20 RA pts.
Aug quick 4 would cost you 7 pts and bring your quick up to exactly 252... and you also add to your evade rate.
using talsyra wep speed calc (idk if this is the exact calc on phoenix)
wep spd: 5.0
quick: 252 (sets it to 250 for cap)
MOA: 5 (can't go past 5)
Additional Haste: 14% due to combined forces( or is this 21% with 1.5x to buffs?)
Swing speed: 2.201
Just trying to understand is all, thanks.
you also need to take into account that you always get 56 d/q debuffed and at least 22% haste debuffed....
so slow weapons for hunter is absolutly no go or you end up with 3s swing speed.
moarms sucks btw too expensive for too little gain
darkstar00 wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 6:13 PMDunga wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 4:07 PMmoa is my Favorit ra for dwarf/norse hunter. 9 quick at start, moa7 and 40bcbuff brings me to 250quick. the increase is higher with moa! +more af…. and it buffs all buffs…..
How do you arrive at 250 quick?
If i'm reading your post correctly, then you start with 59 quickness. + 75 + 23 +78 = 235 quick. I'm not sure how MOA factors into wep speed but MOA 7 is 11% for 20 RA pts.
Aug quick 4 would cost you 7 pts and bring your quick up to exactly 252... and you also add to your evade rate.
using talsyra wep speed calc (idk if this is the exact calc on phoenix)
wep spd: 5.0
quick: 252 (sets it to 250 for cap)
MOA: 5 (can't go past 5)
Additional Haste: 14% due to combined forces( or is this 21% with 1.5x to buffs?)
Swing speed: 2.201
Just trying to understand is all, thanks.
piero wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 8:34 PMDragonstorm 5.7 sword, maybe could not be so nice for all pro hunters, but I m new with no money, no time to make raids... A friend don t use it anymore and has given it to me as present... Couldn t say no😉
darkstar00 wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 7:27 PMinoeth wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 7:14 PMdarkstar00 wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 6:13 PMHow do you arrive at 250 quick?
If i'm reading your post correctly, then you start with 59 quickness. + 75 + 23 +78 = 235 quick. I'm not sure how MOA factors into wep speed but MOA 7 is 11% for 20 RA pts.
Aug quick 4 would cost you 7 pts and bring your quick up to exactly 252... and you also add to your evade rate.
using talsyra wep speed calc (idk if this is the exact calc on phoenix)
wep spd: 5.0
quick: 252 (sets it to 250 for cap)
MOA: 5 (can't go past 5)
Additional Haste: 14% due to combined forces( or is this 21% with 1.5x to buffs?)
Swing speed: 2.201
Just trying to understand is all, thanks.
you also need to take into account that you always get 56 d/q debuffed and at least 22% haste debuffed....
so slow weapons for hunter is absolutly no go or you end up with 3s swing speed.
moarms sucks btw too expensive for too little gain
What speed weps do you use on a hunter then?
piero wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 8:34 PMDragonstorm 5.7 sword, maybe could not be so nice for all pro hunters, but I m new with no money, no time to make raids... A friend don t use it anymore and has given it to me as present... Couldn t say no😉
inoeth wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 7:24 AMpiero wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 8:34 PMDragonstorm 5.7 sword, maybe could not be so nice for all pro hunters, but I m new with no money, no time to make raids... A friend don t use it anymore and has given it to me as present... Couldn t say no😉
5.7 is much too slow
remember you always! get d/q and ASR debuff, you end up wit 3s+ swing speed where all your enemys have 1.5s so by default they do 2x the dmg of you
then imagine you get evaded or you miss which is about 4 evades and 1-2 misses per fight
you are going to be fucked so hard lol
inoeth wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 7:24 AMpiero wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 8:34 PMDragonstorm 5.7 sword, maybe could not be so nice for all pro hunters, but I m new with no money, no time to make raids... A friend don t use it anymore and has given it to me as present... Couldn t say no😉
5.7 is much too slow
remember you always! get d/q and ASR debuff, you end up wit 3s+ swing speed where all your enemys have 1.5s so by default they do 2x the dmg of you
then imagine you get evaded or you miss which is about 4 evades and 1-2 misses per fight
you are going to be fucked so hard lol
Centenario wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 8:17 AMinoeth wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 7:24 AMpiero wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 8:34 PMDragonstorm 5.7 sword, maybe could not be so nice for all pro hunters, but I m new with no money, no time to make raids... A friend don t use it anymore and has given it to me as present... Couldn t say no😉
5.7 is much too slow
remember you always! get d/q and ASR debuff, you end up wit 3s+ swing speed where all your enemys have 1.5s so by default they do 2x the dmg of you
then imagine you get evaded or you miss which is about 4 evades and 1-2 misses per fight
you are going to be fucked so hard lol
Damage is supposed to be in correlation with attack speed in DAoC only style damage gives a bonus with high attack speed, that's why endurance/stamina shouldnt be infinite.
If you attack twice as fast you should make half damage; even less given 2h has a damage bonus.
MrWolf wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 8:34 AMinoeth wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 7:24 AMpiero wrote: ↑Tue 7 Apr 2020 8:34 PMDragonstorm 5.7 sword, maybe could not be so nice for all pro hunters, but I m new with no money, no time to make raids... A friend don t use it anymore and has given it to me as present... Couldn t say no😉
5.7 is much too slow
remember you always! get d/q and ASR debuff, you end up wit 3s+ swing speed where all your enemys have 1.5s so by default they do 2x the dmg of you
then imagine you get evaded or you miss which is about 4 evades and 1-2 misses per fight
you are going to be fucked so hard lol
99% of the time you get dex/qui debuffed is also when you have to purge to remove a ton of other negative effects they put on you.
Never found the dex/qui debuff to affect me much when you have to counter also disease, 3 types of poison/dots, 118str/con debuff etc...
Had some really nice wins without ip and purge against assassins/ns, but are just coincidences when the enemy plays it badly or forgot poisons or for just luck.
Other 99% of the times hunter HAVE TO rely on IP and purge to try to fight evenly with an assassin/NS.
And most of the times in 1v1 even if you play it at your best and winning against an rr9 infi while rr6 he just vanish at 1% of life.
inoeth wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 9:14 AMMrWolf wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 8:34 AMinoeth wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 7:24 AM5.7 is much too slow
remember you always! get d/q and ASR debuff, you end up wit 3s+ swing speed where all your enemys have 1.5s so by default they do 2x the dmg of you
then imagine you get evaded or you miss which is about 4 evades and 1-2 misses per fight
you are going to be fucked so hard lol
99% of the time you get dex/qui debuffed is also when you have to purge to remove a ton of other negative effects they put on you.
Never found the dex/qui debuff to affect me much when you have to counter also disease, 3 types of poison/dots, 118str/con debuff etc...
Had some really nice wins without ip and purge against assassins/ns, but are just coincidences when the enemy plays it badly or forgot poisons or for just luck.
Other 99% of the times hunter HAVE TO rely on IP and purge to try to fight evenly with an assassin/NS.
And most of the times in 1v1 even if you play it at your best and winning against an rr9 infi while rr6 he just vanish at 1% of life.
so what you basicly saying is that you suck anyway therefore it does not make any difference if you improve your play style?
there is a reason everyone uses d/q debuff weapons in alb and hib
i only purge stuns btw, no point purging something that is easily reapplied whithin the next hits...
most times i only need ip for higher rr assassins or when i have to fight multiple opponents, i even run without anything up and kill
hunters are in fact really strong here but 99% of the hunter players just really suck
MrWolf wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 9:24 AMinoeth wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 9:14 AMMrWolf wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 8:34 AM99% of the time you get dex/qui debuffed is also when you have to purge to remove a ton of other negative effects they put on you.
Never found the dex/qui debuff to affect me much when you have to counter also disease, 3 types of poison/dots, 118str/con debuff etc...
Had some really nice wins without ip and purge against assassins/ns, but are just coincidences when the enemy plays it badly or forgot poisons or for just luck.
Other 99% of the times hunter HAVE TO rely on IP and purge to try to fight evenly with an assassin/NS.
And most of the times in 1v1 even if you play it at your best and winning against an rr9 infi while rr6 he just vanish at 1% of life.
so what you basicly saying is that you suck anyway therefore it does not make any difference if you improve your play style?
there is a reason everyone uses d/q debuff weapons in alb and hib
i only purge stuns btw, no point purging something that is easily reapplied whithin the next hits...
most times i only need ip for higher rr assassins or when i have to fight multiple opponents, i even run without anything up and kill
hunters are in fact really strong here but 99% of the hunter players just really suck
forgot you have this "i'm proh you suck git gud" attitude without any other kinds of argument or discussion
bbye
piero wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 12:13 PMSo for u need to change my weapon? I have always used slow weapon, in live and in eny kind of shard
inoeth wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 12:51 PMpiero wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 12:13 PMSo for u need to change my weapon? I have always used slow weapon, in live and in eny kind of shard
yeah you should, i also used slow weapons for many years but whats important is not dmg per hit but dmg over time and there fast weapons are ahead
darkstar00 wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 2:52 PMinoeth wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 12:51 PMpiero wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 12:13 PMSo for u need to change my weapon? I have always used slow weapon, in live and in eny kind of shard
yeah you should, i also used slow weapons for many years but whats important is not dmg per hit but dmg over time and there fast weapons are ahead
Also, you could always d/q debuff your opponent as well. Then you're only fucked if they purge or resist it.
Sidestyle is recommended with 21%, but after evade chain works too with 18%, still at risk that you don't get them both through tho.inoeth wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 3:42 PMdarkstar00 wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 2:52 PMinoeth wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 12:51 PMyeah you should, i also used slow weapons for many years but whats important is not dmg per hit but dmg over time and there fast weapons are ahead
Also, you could always d/q debuff your opponent as well. Then you're only fucked if they purge or resist it.
you want to d/q debuff charge your enemy and get an ASR as soon as possible (try to side style them as initial attack) + fast weapons
MrWolf wrote: ↑Wed 8 Apr 2020 8:34 AMHad some really nice wins without ip and purge against assassins/ns, but are just coincidences when the enemy plays it badly or forgot poisons or for just luck.
Other 99% of the times hunter HAVE TO rely on IP and purge to try to fight evenly with an assassin/NS.
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