current state of the hunter? - Phoenix Freeshard

I understand that archers are rough to play currently, but I was wondering how the hunter is in rvr as far as picks ng other targets?

Was thinking 35bow high spear, comp 50 stealth and a bit of BC for the pet interrupt. Not sure what the normal specs are for hunters are though.

Also, are there any disease or snare proccing bows at this patch level?

Wed 6 Mar 2019 1:38 PM by inoeth

as long as you dont have to fight assassins your chance are not that bad to win fights. but when you meet assassins you are basicly dead every time.

my spec atm is 27 bow 42 bc 47 spear 35 stealth at rr5

Wed 6 Mar 2019 2:16 PM by kedelin

i am leveling a hunter atm.. i plan on going 50 sword 38 stealth 34 bc and 29 bow... at rr5 i will lower to 35 stealth and bring bow up... i played a hunter in beta and liked sword dmg and the styles... you get a evade stun, anytime snare 2nd style, 34percent haste debuff rear style... you can also use 1h to get your snare off fast or for evade stun... you have access to skald tg 1h sword with str/con debuff proc.

Wed 6 Mar 2019 2:19 PM by Afuldan

kedelin wrote: ↑
Wed 6 Mar 2019 2:16 PM
i am leveling a hunter atm.. i plan on going 50 sword 38 stealth 34 bc and 29 bow... at rr5 i will lower to 35 stealth and bring bow up... i played a hunter in beta and liked sword dmg and the styles... you get a evade stun, anytime snare 2nd style, 34percent haste debuff rear style... you can also use 1h to get your snare off fast or for evade stun... you have access to skald tg 1h sword with str/con debuff proc.

Plus even 10% extra chance to block is always useful with a 1hd and small shield.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 10:33 AM by Gryntrar

inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 6 Mar 2019 1:38 PM
as long as you dont have to fight assassins your chance are not that bad to win fights. but when you meet assassins you are basicly dead every time.

my spec atm is 27 bow 42 bc 47 spear 35 stealth at rr5

Simply not true

Hunters will eat Infs most of the time, the issues lie with NS and Rangers alone.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 10:56 AM by inoeth

Gryntrar wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 10:33 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 6 Mar 2019 1:38 PM
as long as you dont have to fight assassins your chance are not that bad to win fights. but when you meet assassins you are basicly dead every time.

my spec atm is 27 bow 42 bc 47 spear 35 stealth at rr5

Simply not true Hunters will eat Infs most of the time, the issues lie with NS and Rangers alone.

"simply not true" maybe when not eating pa and infi is not poison swapping, but when is this actually the case? so this is very well legit

Thu 7 Mar 2019 11:12 AM by Gryntrar

inoeth wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 10:56 AM
Gryntrar wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 10:33 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 6 Mar 2019 1:38 PM
as long as you dont have to fight assassins your chance are not that bad to win fights. but when you meet assassins you are basicly dead every time.

my spec atm is 27 bow 42 bc 47 spear 35 stealth at rr5

Simply not true Hunters will eat Infs most of the time, the issues lie with NS and Rangers alone.

"simply not true" maybe when not eating pa and infi is not poison swapping, but when is this actually the case? so this is very well legit

Don't run around unstealthed, i fail to see how its an issue to not eat the PA, and the poison swapping is not greater than the slash spear dmg he has to eat.
So you ask, when is that actually the case, well, if you have your 50-51 comp stealth, and not run around like a blind man in a pottery store without stealth, and again, are careful how you walk around in stealth.. you will eat PA's 20-30% of the time.. even then from an inf, you still have decent odds to win the fight.. so using your method of legitimacy, it is indeed not very well legit

Side note, stop spreading information based around your play style. Toxic stuff like "but when you meet assassins you are basically dead every time." is not true and ignorant. (even though i do see that being valid with nightshades, they are a strong counter to the hunter)

Thu 7 Mar 2019 12:29 PM by inoeth

Gryntrar wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 11:12 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 10:56 AM
Gryntrar wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 10:33 AM
Simply not true Hunters will eat Infs most of the time, the issues lie with NS and Rangers alone.

"simply not true" maybe when not eating pa and infi is not poison swapping, but when is this actually the case? so this is very well legit

Don't run around unstealthed, i fail to see how its an issue to not eat the PA, and the poison swapping is not greater than the slash spear dmg he has to eat.
So you ask, when is that actually the case, well, if you have your 50-51 comp stealth, and not run around like a blind man in a pottery store without stealth, and again, are careful how you walk around in stealth.. you will eat PA's 20-30% of the time.. even then from an inf, you still have decent odds to win the fight.. so using your method of legitimacy, it is indeed not very well legit

Side note, stop spreading information based around your play style. Toxic stuff like "but when you meet assassins you are basically dead every time." is not true and ignorant. (even though i do see that being valid with nightshades, they are a strong counter to the hunter)

"dont run unstealthed" - do you think im an idiot? "toxic stuff"- well thats my experiance, should i decline my own experiance? the only one ignorant here is you denying others experiance. maybe it is some kind of lag...... but i rarely see assassins before they perf me and when they do its very rare that you can win the fight. even if they simply vanish then.
if you dont have any issues fighting infiltrators, gratulation you seem to be a lucky guy, but stop ascend your view as the only truth.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 12:50 PM by krumr

In terms of useful procs, are there suggested bows, spears or swords?

Thu 7 Mar 2019 1:18 PM by Gryntrar

inoeth wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 12:29 PM
Gryntrar wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 11:12 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 10:56 AM
"simply not true" maybe when not eating pa and infi is not poison swapping, but when is this actually the case? so this is very well legit

Don't run around unstealthed, i fail to see how its an issue to not eat the PA, and the poison swapping is not greater than the slash spear dmg he has to eat.
So you ask, when is that actually the case, well, if you have your 50-51 comp stealth, and not run around like a blind man in a pottery store without stealth, and again, are careful how you walk around in stealth.. you will eat PA's 20-30% of the time.. even then from an inf, you still have decent odds to win the fight.. so using your method of legitimacy, it is indeed not very well legit

Side note, stop spreading information based around your play style. Toxic stuff like "but when you meet assassins you are basically dead every time." is not true and ignorant. (even though i do see that being valid with nightshades, they are a strong counter to the hunter)

"dont run unstealthed" - do you think im an idiot? "toxic stuff"- well thats my experiance, should i decline my own experiance? the only one ignorant here is you denying others experiance. maybe it is some kind of lag...... but i rarely see assassins before they perf me and when they do its very rare that you can win the fight. even if they simply vanish then.
if you dont have any issues fighting infiltrators, gratulation you seem to be a lucky guy, but stop ascend your view as the only truth.

Hmm.. im sorry if you feel like im ascending my view as the only truth, ive been preaching my playstyle and experience, to help others. but through more than just this post you've been saying the same stuff over and over, talking in ultimates, like "but when you meet assassins you are basically dead every time" .. for this to be your opinion it has to say "When i meet assassins, i am basically dead every time", there's a major difference in the impact those two sentences when people look at it, and that is what i mean by toxic. I suggest you look into Stealth mechanics and the stealth pulse. its what archer type has to do and understand if they want that extra bit of luck as you put it.

PS: Not having an issue with infiltrators is mostly because of the vulnerability to slash on their armor and not luck.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 1:21 PM by Gryntrar

krumr wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 12:50 PM
In terms of useful procs, are there suggested bows, spears or swords?

In terms of bow procs, im running Kings bow from TG, has 99.9 dmg proc, and procs very often,
For my spears im running the trust spear from TG with 50% abla (100) and for Slash i think its a LD (TG) (Not sure if its LD) .. for swords i think running Str/con decrease and/or dot proc on twohander (Switch to shield/1h asap into a fight can be pretty cool)

Thu 7 Mar 2019 1:33 PM by Durgrim

Joc wrote: ↑
Wed 6 Mar 2019 1:03 PM
I understand that archers are rough to play currently, but I was wondering how the hunter is in rvr as far as picks ng other targets?

Was thinking 35bow high spear, comp 50 stealth and a bit of BC for the pet interrupt. Not sure what the normal specs are for hunters are though.

Also, are there any disease or snare proccing bows at this patch level?

If you want to play the hunter for the most output possible, you are on the right track. High spear, medium bow, decent BC comp 50 stealth.
So to sum up the most value you can expect from Inoeth's posted approach - this is the way how the majority of hunters are specd at the moment.
I am not 100% in line with Inoeth on his pov regarding targets and do more favor with Gryntrar's arguments.

Do not forget that you miss out 40,45 and 50 MoS, if you decide on 35+X stealth. (Detection, Stealthspeed)

For my own playstyle/Spec (don't beat me up again on this...),
I do run 49 bow (Falcon Eye VII, AugQuick, MoA, etc.), 50 stealth, rest BC and last spear. The dmg difference between 49+X bow and 35+X bow (tested yesterday) is somewhere between 10 and 19 dmg. If critted a bit more - but does not even scale properly with CritShot (Skill).

Afaik, there are no snare/disease proccing bows. I do run the TG bow that procs quite often, especially when rapid firing (1.5s) and dealing 150-160dmg(noncrit) + 99.9 proc dmg

Since I decided on being dead 1on1 in melee combat, I went for the MoS IX(50 stealth) instead which allows me to even get away from Infis in more than 75% of the time. I see them regularly approaching or sneaking beside me before they do and just turn away and outrun them stealthed. If they decide on unstealth and follow me, I unstealth as well and sprint.
So the escape options here are not super, but okay. This spec is not viable for engaging most equally geared/leveled targets on your own in nearly all situations but is maxing the RP income from adding/zerging with this class instead.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 1:40 PM by Laston

as a 40 stealth specced hunter id say the MOS makes practically no diffrence as it doesnt improve stealth detection it only increases your stealth movement speed by around 3%.

My spec is:
40 Stealth
46 Spear
35 Archery
32 Beastcraft.

probably gonna respec once i hit RR5 but unsure if sword is better ive been trying to use the rear spear stun but in 1v1 its not happening against Infils/NSs cause they snare me 99% or i die before i can get out of stun if IP/Purge is down

hopefully once i get my hands on buff charges i will have more of a chance

Thu 7 Mar 2019 1:57 PM by Joc

I'm thinking 46spear 35bow, 40stealth, 32BC at rr2 will be my starting spec. I may change it, but that's what I'll start with.

Also I went Norse to give myself more con/str and have the option to go Sword if I decide later on.

Thu 7 Mar 2019 2:34 PM by inoeth

Gryntrar wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 1:18 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 12:29 PM
Gryntrar wrote: ↑
Thu 7 Mar 2019 11:12 AM
Don't run around unstealthed, i fail to see how its an issue to not eat the PA, and the poison swapping is not greater than the slash spear dmg he has to eat.
So you ask, when is that actually the case, well, if you have your 50-51 comp stealth, and not run around like a blind man in a pottery store without stealth, and again, are careful how you walk around in stealth.. you will eat PA's 20-30% of the time.. even then from an inf, you still have decent odds to win the fight.. so using your method of legitimacy, it is indeed not very well legit

Side note, stop spreading information based around your play style. Toxic stuff like "but when you meet assassins you are basically dead every time." is not true and ignorant. (even though i do see that being valid with nightshades, they are a strong counter to the hunter)

"dont run unstealthed" - do you think im an idiot? "toxic stuff"- well thats my experiance, should i decline my own experiance? the only one ignorant here is you denying others experiance. maybe it is some kind of lag...... but i rarely see assassins before they perf me and when they do its very rare that you can win the fight. even if they simply vanish then.
if you dont have any issues fighting infiltrators, gratulation you seem to be a lucky guy, but stop ascend your view as the only truth.

Hmm.. im sorry if you feel like im ascending my view as the only truth, ive been preaching my playstyle and experience, to help others. but through more than just this post you've been saying the same stuff over and over, talking in ultimates, like "but when you meet assassins you are basically dead every time" .. for this to be your opinion it has to say "When i meet assassins, i am basically dead every time", there's a major difference in the impact those two sentences when people look at it, and that is what i mean by toxic. I suggest you look into Stealth mechanics and the stealth pulse. its what archer type has to do and understand if they want that extra bit of luck as you put it.

PS: Not having an issue with infiltrators is mostly because of the vulnerability to slash on their armor and not luck.

actually you are the first hunter stating the opposite here.
dude what do you mean by having a look into stealth mechanic? i know how that works but that does not change anything.
as i already mentioned i guess i have some kind of lag... PAs come out of nowhere every time. still if tiny lag makes such a big difference, imo stealth detection has to be adjusted at least slightly.

Tue 12 Mar 2019 2:51 AM by Slithic

Is it worth even taking BC since the pet doesn't disease or snare?

The buffs are worthless compared to pots/charges.

So why take it? Speed buff? Lol.

Tue 12 Mar 2019 8:12 AM by inoeth

Slithic wrote: ↑
Tue 12 Mar 2019 2:51 AM
Is it worth even taking BC since the pet doesn't disease or snare?

The buffs are worthless compared to pots/charges.

So why take it? Speed buff? Lol.

pet does 60-80 dmg depending on target so its quite usefull as a dmg add

Tue 12 Mar 2019 1:33 PM by bigdaddyo

32 bc is worth it for the rare times you can interrupt a caster too while dealing with another player. even if it's only for a second or two by causing them to have to CC/reposition. it's also a decent dmg add, especially compared to uthgard. hits for a lot more. i pop it out at start of every single fight so it gets to work right away.

Tue 12 Mar 2019 4:08 PM by doflynn

39 Spear, 45 Bow,, 37 stealth , 32 BC works well for me. My template is weapon free but I run the TG 99.9 proc bow and the slowest spear I can get my hands on.

For RA's I have purge 2, and IP as high as I can get it (4 atm), rest mastery of pain.

Some observations made on the way to rr5:
50 stealth does not affect detection as previously mentioned, only gives a measly gain to speed. That was a fun discovery when I first dinged 50,
You can toe to toe most assassins the same or lower RR if you are running d/q + s/c charge, esp if you have purge and IP up.
A good assassin will still eat you alive. Shurgatl once side styled me out of stealth and dropped me before I came out of the stun

SC charge and all.

Might be just me but I feel like hunters are in a pretty good place, would love if live pet changes were implemented.

Tue 12 Mar 2019 6:32 PM by graincloud

PS: Not having an issue with infiltrators is mostly because of the vulnerability to slash on their armor and not luck.

Unless I am reading this wrong, Inf's (and most hib/alb stealthers) are all vulnerable to Crush damage and not Slash. This is why i hunt stealthers with Blunt equipped. Have I misunderstood something horrific?

https://darkageofcamelot.com/content/armor-resist-tables

Tue 12 Mar 2019 6:45 PM by chois

no you re right leather alb: neutral slash/vulnerable crush/resist thrust

Fri 15 Mar 2019 12:23 AM by Leandrys

graincloud wrote: ↑
Tue 12 Mar 2019 6:32 PM
Unless I am reading this wrong, Inf's (and most hib/alb stealthers) are all vulnerable to Crush damage and not Slash. This is why i hunt stealthers with Blunt equipped. Have I misunderstood something horrific?

https://darkageofcamelot.com/content/armor-resist-tables

Tbh, he's been making several basic mistakes, that was an impressive thing to read.

Fri 15 Mar 2019 6:21 AM by AngelRose

BC is practically useless. The pet is too slow to do much more then be an occasional interrupt or minor damage add. Anyone with half a brain can kite or cc out the pet. I believe it is the slowest pet in the game

Fri 15 Mar 2019 6:30 AM by AngelRose

Leandrys wrote: ↑
Fri 15 Mar 2019 12:23 AM
graincloud wrote: ↑
Tue 12 Mar 2019 6:32 PM
Unless I am reading this wrong, Inf's (and most hib/alb stealthers) are all vulnerable to Crush damage and not Slash. This is why i hunt stealthers with Blunt equipped. Have I misunderstood something horrific?

https://darkageofcamelot.com/content/armor-resist-tables

Tbh, he's been making several basic mistakes, that was an impressive thing to read.

infs are weak to crush. maybe that other poster was trolling

Fri 15 Mar 2019 10:34 AM by doflynn

Am considering going 36 stealth, 45 bow, 50 spear and dropping BC to 12 or so.

Anyone with experience can tell me how much of a benefit I will gain bringing spear from 39-50 ?

Sat 23 Mar 2019 12:19 PM by Snakejuice

anyone know if theres any plan too give archer camo?