How is it in the current state? And what tends to be the best leveling spec and then the best rvr spec?
Atreri wrote: ↑Mon 11 Jan 2021 12:39 PMMade one for the event. Was super shocked to see they have no shield spec here. Did not make it too many lvls before I had enough.
I find the issue more being so boring to play. Sure it’s on weak side but so boringJerrian wrote: ↑Mon 11 Jan 2021 2:27 PMAtreri wrote: ↑Mon 11 Jan 2021 12:39 PMMade one for the event. Was super shocked to see they have no shield spec here. Did not make it too many lvls before I had enough.
Pretty much this. It ´s compared to other classes, one of the weakest classes here. It ´s a hybrid class that is not outshining in anything. Resis, bubble,are nice but lacking of any CC and weak (group)heals there is no reason not to pick a 3rd druid with nature specc in Grp instead.
Melee damage is poor and similar to any other class with no weaponspecc, especially when you compare it with thane, friar or even paladin.
Missing shield specc make it worse and a no competitor to a hero as deftank.
I Did not try out the solothing seriously, but when I had 1vs1 I had no chance due to missing 1vs1 RA specc. With a bit higher RA and the right RAs it might be a good soloer (still missing minstrel, skald speed though) but there are classes that are much better in it.
It ´s playable in zerg and smallman, but I assume that aspect is fitting to every daoc class in a regular 8vs8 rvr group it ´s utility is too bad, so not many groups run with a warden. For that reason warden got boosted on live server (bodyguard, shieldspecc, buffshear-masterlevel styles) here there are no changes for shield specc planed currently, I asked staff for it a few months ago. Dunno if something else is in thr works, as community voted it the hibernian class number one that needs some love. /shrug
I play warden because I always did on daoc servers, but I must say it ´s more of melancholic reasons. If ppl want to play it, just do so, but don ´t expect too much from it :-).
Jerrian wrote: ↑Mon 11 Jan 2021 2:27 PM[...]Atreri wrote: ↑Mon 11 Jan 2021 12:39 PMMade one for the event. Was super shocked to see they have no shield spec here. Did not make it too many lvls before I had enough.
It ´s playable in zerg and smallman, but I assume that aspect is fitting to every daoc class in a regular 8vs8 rvr group it ´s utility is too bad, so not many groups run with a warden. [...]
I play warden because I always did on daoc servers, but I must say it ´s more of melancholic reasons. If ppl want to play it, just do so, but don ´t expect too much from it :-).
Ele wrote: ↑Mon 11 Jan 2021 9:12 PMJerrian wrote: ↑Mon 11 Jan 2021 2:27 PM[...]Atreri wrote: ↑Mon 11 Jan 2021 12:39 PMMade one for the event. Was super shocked to see they have no shield spec here. Did not make it too many lvls before I had enough.
It ´s playable in zerg and smallman, but I assume that aspect is fitting to every daoc class in a regular 8vs8 rvr group it ´s utility is too bad, so not many groups run with a warden. [...]
I play warden because I always did on daoc servers, but I must say it ´s more of melancholic reasons. If ppl want to play it, just do so, but don ´t expect too much from it :-).
I don't know which time zone you are referring to, but every serious 8man hib group during EU PT runs a warden, because resists, pbt, heals, fast NS cure and sidepeel are a lot of utility. In addition to that the Warden is a useful RA-Bot, especially for tank groups (AotG, TWF). Your statement sounds about right for the usual task zone farm caster grp though.
Jerrian wrote: ↑Tue 12 Jan 2021 4:14 PMbut majority still calls it weakest class in hib, that needs some love, for a reason.
Jerrian wrote: ↑Tue 12 Jan 2021 4:14 PMAotg and damageadd in sum never replace a tank, the heals are poor against a druid that can also cure NS, bubble is kinda useless against enemy tank assist, the resis and twf are indeed nice, ok. Warden ist doing "ok" but I did not feel much wardenlove here, and it's not a must have class in a group . Game experience and perception of this class might be different, yeah, but majority still calls it weakest class in hib, that needs some love, for a reason.
That is not what AotG is used for, you use it for creating dmg spikes.
Warden usually goes for 43 Regrowth, so he has the highest Major Heal which heals for about 435, and the 3s NS cure. Only Nature Druids got that, and they usually can only go for 40 Regrowth, meaning they lack this Major Heal. Same goes for the Buff Druid that has 33 Regrowth, as Buff&Nature Druid basically have the same heals. The only thing warden doesn't have is instants (apart from VR) and group/spread heals, so in zerg warfare druid has an advantage. In open field fights/group fights, warden can be considered main healer.
You may not survive the tank assist due to bubble alone, but it a) makes the peel war a lot easier for your group, because 6 sec pbt is huge when 6 of your groupmembers in the 4/4 cookie cutter setup can peel and can rely on not being hit when passing a tank often and b) may make you survive long enough for the train to get peeled off of you.
In every serious 8man it is. You will see groups running only one druid, but no groups skipping the warden (at least atm in EU PT).
ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑Tue 12 Jan 2021 4:55 PMJerrian wrote: ↑Tue 12 Jan 2021 4:14 PMbut majority still calls it weakest class in hib, that needs some love, for a reason.
That reason being a complete lack of understanding of the game, which you yourself, a veteran Warden player, demonstrated in the first sentence of the quoted post.
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