Rapid Fire using twice as much endurance and doing 25% damage instead of 50% damage

Started 22 Aug 2018
by Cadebrennus
in Hibernia
Posted on the bug tracker. If this goes live without being fixed it will be a huge nerf to all archers on all three realms. Feel free to test and confirm, thanks!

Rapid Fire using twice as much endurance and doing 25% damage instead of 50% damage

Rapid Fire is taking twice as much endurance as a regular shot.

Using a full endurance bar with Tireless1:

6 Rapid Fire shots
or
16 Regular shots

Using a full endurance bar without Tireless

5 Rapid Fire shots
or
10 Regular shots

Damage-wise, at 50% of the draw speed of a regular shot, Rapid Fire is doing exactly 25% of the damage.

Combined with the extra cost of the endurance, Rapid Fire is doing 12% of the damage of a regular shot over the cost of a full endurance bar. According to the patch notes below, it should be doing 50% damage at 50% speed while costing normal endurance, which over the cost of a full endurance bar nets a total of 50% damage, not 12% damage. These are multiple bugs related to the one ability. Please see patch 1.62 notes below for details.

Lower damage also noted on this bug report;
https://tracker.playphoenix.online/issues/22d731dd-1084-49b7-935b-58a9004cddbf

According to patch 1.62;

http://camelotherald.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_Notes:_Version_1.62

"Rapid Fire

The three Archers now also receive a new ability called “Rapid Fire”, which allows them to release their bow shot before the normal bow timer. Here’s the details:

When an Archer has this skill, at any time after halfway through their normal bow timer they can release the shot.

If you release the shot 75% through the normal timer, the shot (if it hits) does 75% of its normal damage. If you release 50% through the timer, you do 50% of the damage, and so forth - The faster the shot, the less damage it does.

Rapid Fire shots takes the same endurance as a normal bow shot, but do less damage.

Archers receive Rapid Fire 1 at 35 specialization level in their particular bow skill, and Rapid Fire 2 at spec level 45. The difference between the two is how much endurance they take - RF 2 takes less endurance than RF 1.

Please note that you cannot use Rapid Fire with Longshot or Volley."

Some additional info about how Rapid Fire works from Kaber’s site;

http://kaber.bladekeep.com/bow.htm

"Rapid Fire is an ability gained at 35 and 45 bow spec. It is an utility ability, so it’s purpose is not to increase damage output. To turn this on you simply click the toggle button, then draw and fire like you would for normal shots. To turn the ability off you click the toggle button again. Loading a Crit Shot will automatically turn Rapid Fire off, so make sure to toggle it back on after firing a Crit.

While it is on it allows archers to fire much faster than they normally would be able to, at the cost of doing reduced damage. The amount of damage you do depends on when you release the shot. The fastest you can release a shot with this is a 50% of your drawtime, which will allow you to do 50% of your normal damage. If you released at 52% of your draw time you would deal 52% damage, at 66% drawtime you would deal 66% damage, and so on (in other words it is linear, drawtime directly correlates to damage dealt).

However with each shot you release you use the same endurance you would have for a normal shot. While you are not losing damage output while Rapid Fire is on, you can wind up only doing half as much damage with a full endurance bar. Rapid Fire II at 45 spec uses slightly less endurance, but will only allow for around 4 extra shots to be taken with a full endurance bar."
Thu 23 Aug 2018 2:15 PM by Horus
Well that is def a bug. I will test it myself on my ranger.
Fri 28 Sep 2018 4:55 AM by Cadebrennus
Update: The damage issue was fixed (thank you Developers!) but the endurance issue remains. I created a new bug report for the Rapid Fire endurance issue, stating thus;

https://tracker.playphoenix.online/issues/a48d4610-32cc-4981-85f0-87230081b42a

"Rapid Fire using 2-3 times as much endurance as a regular shot (it should be the same endurance). Damage is working fine however.

Rapid Fire is taking 2-3 times as much endurance as a regular shot.

In addition, there is a chat log toggle that Rapid Fire is on, but there is no chat log toggle showing when Rapid Fire is off, which make skew logs when trying to determine whether an Archer is using Rapid Fire or not. The Rapid Fire icon toggle works perfectly however.

Please note from the patch notes (below), "Rapid Fire shots takes the same endurance as a normal bow shot, but do less damage." - this is not the current behavior for Rapid Fire on Phoenix.



Using a full endurance bar with Tireless1:

6 Rapid Fire shots
or
17 Regular shots


Combined with the extra cost of the endurance, Rapid Fire is doing 25% of the damage of a regular shot over the cost of a full endurance bar. According to the patch notes below, it should be doing 50% damage at 50% speed while costing normal endurance, which over the cost of a full endurance bar nets a total of 50% damage, not 25% damage. This is still a bug. Please see patch 1.62 notes below for details.


According to patch 1.62;

http://camelotherald.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_Notes:_Version_1.62

"Rapid Fire

The three Archers now also receive a new ability called “Rapid Fire”, which allows them to release their bow shot before the normal bow timer. Here’s the details:

When an Archer has this skill, at any time after halfway through their normal bow timer they can release the shot.

If you release the shot 75% through the normal timer, the shot (if it hits) does 75% of its normal damage. If you release 50% through the timer, you do 50% of the damage, and so forth - The faster the shot, the less damage it does.

Rapid Fire shots takes the same endurance as a normal bow shot, but do less damage.

Archers receive Rapid Fire 1 at 35 specialization level in their particular bow skill, and Rapid Fire 2 at spec level 45. The difference between the two is how much endurance they take - RF 2 takes less endurance than RF 1.

Please note that you cannot use Rapid Fire with Longshot or Volley."

Some additional info about how Rapid Fire works from Kaber’s site;

http://kaber.bladekeep.com/bow.htm

"Rapid Fire is an ability gained at 35 and 45 bow spec. It is an utility ability, so it’s purpose is not to increase damage output. To turn this on you simply click the toggle button, then draw and fire like you would for normal shots. To turn the ability off you click the toggle button again. Loading a Crit Shot will automatically turn Rapid Fire off, so make sure to toggle it back on after firing a Crit.

While it is on it allows archers to fire much faster than they normally would be able to, at the cost of doing reduced damage. The amount of damage you do depends on when you release the shot. The fastest you can release a shot with this is a 50% of your drawtime, which will allow you to do 50% of your normal damage. If you released at 52% of your draw time you would deal 52% damage, at 66% drawtime you would deal 66% damage, and so on (in other words it is linear, drawtime directly correlates to damage dealt).

However with each shot you release you use the same endurance you would have for a normal shot. While you are not losing damage output while Rapid Fire is on, you can wind up only doing half as much damage with a full endurance bar. Rapid Fire II at 45 spec uses slightly less endurance, but will only allow for around 4 extra shots to be taken with a full endurance bar.""


Thank you in advance for looking into this.
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