Nightshade Temp/Tools - Phoenix Freeshard

Hey guys,
starting after some years and wanted to know what is necessary in the template.
Any drops that you guys use, are recommended.

Thanks

Greetings -Nik

Sat 16 Nov 2019 1:53 PM by gotwqqd

Aren’t most drops used ROG?

Tue 19 Nov 2019 8:35 AM by Crofax

tools:

ring of zo'arkat
heart of legion
mp armor with
- ablative
- dmg add
pots
- regen
- combined
- shard skin
- insta heal
- normal heal

did i missed something ?

Tue 19 Nov 2019 4:11 PM by thirian24

I've never played a NS, but it's really going to depend on your cash flow and feather intake.

If you have a lot of cash and feathers, it will be easy and painless. If you don't, well.. you can still make it happen.

Lots of plat/feathers

-MP everything
-Dex/qui debuff MH weapons
-LT OH weapons
-MP 4.2 crafted weapon swaps
-Galla chest
-Abaltive procs on armor

If you don't have a lot of plat/feathers you can get away with 99qual gear until you can afford to upgrade to MP. But imho, I'd just farm until I had what I needed to get MP from the start. Also, you don't HAVE to have feather weapons. I think I used crafted weapons until like rr6-7

Edit: Also, what the person said above is great too. You need those Combi pots, shard skin, Abla charge, legion heal and superior heal pot.

Hope this helps,
Hwwaatt

Tue 19 Nov 2019 11:52 PM by Goforit

Crofax wrote: ↑
Tue 19 Nov 2019 8:35 AM
tools:

ring of zo'arkat
heart of legion
mp armor with
- ablative
- dmg add
pots
- regen
- combined
- shard skin
- insta heal
- normal heal

did i missed something ?

good list. you can also have dmg add charge, then you can put it on a low lvl item in your inventory.
Weapon maybe some d/q debuff and haste proc. If it procs, switch you weapon with dd proc.

Fri 29 Nov 2019 12:40 AM by stewbeedoo

I am curious as to whether there are benefits to a player crafted approach for all weapons.

This way as you swap weapons your stats/spec are the same all the time. It just seems that fights are so fast here that this may be beneficial.

Are the player crafted procs very inferior to the D/Q debuff. LT, etc?

Fri 29 Nov 2019 8:21 AM by Sepplord

currently the player crafted weapon poccs are really bad compared to the special proccs

and the benefit of using crafted weapons is just that you can build a temp cheaper. Most committed assassin-mains have built a weaponless temp, they have all stats capped without even using any weapon. So they can switch around ROGs and SI-Weapons for the proccs and still have the same stats all the time.

Requires very high average Utility though

Sat 7 Dec 2019 1:11 AM by dearen75

Crofax wrote: ↑
Tue 19 Nov 2019 8:35 AM
...
ring of zo'arkat
...

why do you use this ring ?

Thu 12 Dec 2019 12:52 PM by Crofax

i want to have another abla charge if the charges on my armor in the inventory are empty.

Thu 12 Dec 2019 7:14 PM by dearen75

Crofax wrote: ↑
Thu 12 Dec 2019 12:52 PM
i want to have another abla charge if the charges on my armor in the inventory are empty.

You mean Tarka'oz ring then .. the Zo'arkat has 50 af charge not abla

Fri 13 Dec 2019 7:15 AM by Crofax

correct, thanks
i mean the abla ring

Mon 16 Dec 2019 8:15 AM by Chihuahua

Nightshade template and gear is after personal preference and varies between people, but some things are mandatory like d/q debuff proc etc. You will want to go mainhand free template to be competetive, so you need roughly average 75 Utility rogs. Go blade spec. Giving an example what weapons i use:

- Sword of Sorrow (slowest MH) - for PA. Using 1 of that, just for opener.
- Shadowwalker Blade (d/q debuff) - need a few of these to swap poisons until d/q proc goes off. Using 3 myself
- Sword of Nuada (3.6 lifetap proc) - have 2 of these, using after i use PA & d/q proc goes off. Usin 2 of those.
- 2x 4.2 crafted dotprocs (don't use that often, since swings are rather slow and i cap swings with nuada). Using 2 of those
- OH 2.9 Galla lifetap (using 4 myself)

In total I use 12 weapons. All MP ofcourse. If im higher rank and can get more swingspeed, i would buy 4.2 MH Lifetap Rogs and use them instead of Nuada. Some people use haste/DA proc (either on weps or other gear) - i don't, since i wanna use legion heal charge.

Armor (all 100% ofc):
- Galla chest
- MP other pieces (2x heal, 3x abla procs)

Charges/pots:

- Ablative (Dragon ring is one option - 5 charges and 20k feather, but there is a bracer, thats 10k feather and 10 charges also)
- Legion charge (heal)
- Combi regen & buff
- Shard skin
- Insta heal, insta endu

And bare in mind, that Nightshade is very expensive. I have invested probably 100p+ into the template above and its not weaponless (mainhand free). You will a lot of plats & a lot of feathers. And the running cost's are no joke (probably around 150-200g/hour).

Specwise go composite stealth & envenom, 39 blade, 44 CS and rest into CD. At 4L you will have enough CD to get 18 for sidestun.

Cheers,

Mon 16 Dec 2019 5:06 PM by Sepplord

PA doesnt scale with weaponspeed so you should be using the fastest possible weapon for PA

Mon 16 Dec 2019 8:41 PM by sylvynyr

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 16 Dec 2019 5:06 PM
PA doesnt scale with weaponspeed so you should be using the fastest possible weapon for PA

PA does however incorporate unstyled weapon damage which is dependent upon spd.

Unstyled Cap: 3 * DPS * Spd * (1+((Spd-2)*0.03)
Phoenix specific PA Formula: -243 + (CS*18) + UnstyledDmg

DPS Spd Unstyled Cap
16.5 4.3 227
16.5 4.2 221
16.5 3.6 186
16.5 2.9 147

Now whether the damage difference is worth the swing delay for the next attack...

Fri 27 Dec 2019 6:40 AM by Cadebrennus

sylvynyr wrote: ↑
Mon 16 Dec 2019 8:41 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 16 Dec 2019 5:06 PM
PA doesnt scale with weaponspeed so you should be using the fastest possible weapon for PA

PA does however incorporate unstyled weapon damage which is dependent upon spd.

Unstyled Cap: 3 * DPS * Spd * (1+((Spd-2)*0.03)
Phoenix specific PA Formula: -243 + (CS*18) + UnstyledDmg

DPS Spd Unstyled Cap
16.5 4.3 227
16.5 4.2 221
16.5 3.6 186
16.5 2.9 147

Now whether the damage difference is worth the swing delay for the next attack...

I'm with Sepp on this one. Creeping Death is where you should swap to the slowest possible weapon, because it has an excellent growth rate that DOES scale with speed and will give you a better return. Meanwhile, because if you are Perfing with a fast weapon you should have the shortest possible delay (1.5 seconds) between Perf and Creeping Death, despite using a slow weapon for Creeping Death.

Tue 31 Dec 2019 2:37 AM by daytonchambers

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 27 Dec 2019 6:40 AM
I'm with Sepp on this one. Creeping Death is where you should swap to the slowest possible weapon, because it has an excellent growth rate that DOES scale with speed and will give you a better return. Meanwhile, because if you are Perfing with a fast weapon you should have the shortest possible delay (1.5 seconds) between Perf and Creeping Death, despite using a slow weapon for Creeping Death.

This.

Perfing with a fast Mainhand may lose a bit of white damage, but being able to land that juicy CD stun before your target has the time to process that they just got smacked and counter with instant CC will make or break a lot of fights.

I'll sometimes just loiter around a keep with a shortbow in hand "Look at me! I'm a Ranger, lol" ready to shield slam an assassin that perfs me. If they don't get that stun opener, and have to blow purge as well due to losing the CC race, then they'll either get killed by me or vanish away in shame. The reason I can do this is that a lot of players follow that "slower is better, always" mindset. And because of that initial delay, they lose.

Wed 8 Jan 2020 12:50 PM by BashPi

Chihuahua wrote: ↑
Mon 16 Dec 2019 8:15 AM
In total I use 12 weapons. All MP ofcourse.

You dont need crafted MPs. Did you ever check the difference in damage? I've tried it with 3.7MH with Garrotte Combo, 39CS Spec:
1 DMG at all(!) difference every swing with rr5 +

Regarding the dmg, dont waste your money for mp weapons.

Note: I have 18 weapons.