Eld mana vs stealth - Phoenix Freeshard

As a full mana eld (50 mana /20 light) I would like to know your opinion of which situation would be the best to survive and if there are other ideas please share them, thanks

Stage:
I walk happily on a path jumping and seeing the flowers when suddenly ... PUUUUM !!! Stuned, poisoned, diease and 1/4 of life or less, I have less than 3 seconds before I die!!!

Options:

a) Dying and regretting my bad luck and having chosen an eld: P

Theory, I don't have the Ra's to prove, if anyone has them and has done so if they know if it works or not

b) Requirements: Purge 2, MoC 1, Elixir of health
Use Purge -> Health -> MoC -> Stun and use AOE spell, I don't know if I have enough strength to knock it down

c) Requirements: Purge 2, MoC 1, Elixir of health, Ichor of the Deep
Use Purge -> Health -> MoC -> Stun and run 4 seconds, (if using purge) use Ichor of the Deep and run another 4 seconds, use diesase and dd snare (yes, the cast is slow but in combination of diesase 15% and DD snare 45% is 60% less speed) and nuke

d) Requirements: Purge 2, MoC 1, Elixir of health, Ichor of the Deep
se Purge -> Health -> MoC -> Stun and run until I no longer see it on the screen because with MoC 1 I will not be able to kill it: P

Any other combination would be welcome, thanks

Tue 1 Oct 2019 1:44 AM by Azuell

MoC 1 isn't gonna do anything so you can just remove it from your scenarios and replace it with your free quick cast ability that you somehow overlooked. Either way, if you get perfed, you're most likely dead.

If you think you have a chance, the play is: Purge > health pot + legion charge > QC stun > after stun is inevitably purged, ichor > get distance > disease > snare nuke > assassin vanishes > you both lose as everyone is down 2 actives.

This may not work either if the assassin gets a garrote off after you ichor. Try to run erratically, especially in areas you know assassins will be. Avoiding a perf will increase your chances a lot.

Also, ichor is uninterruptible so you don't need MoC to use it.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 2:58 AM by reptar

It's rare you get your answer by the 2nd reply but that's what happened here.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 4:06 AM by mxamd

MoC 1 isn't gonna do anything so you can just remove it from your scenarios and replace it with your free quick cast ability that you somehow overlooked. Either way, if you get perfed, you're most likely dead.

If you think you have a chance, the play is: Purge > health pot + legion charge > QC stun > after stun is inevitably purged, ichor > get distance > disease > snare nuke > assassin vanishes > you both lose as everyone is down 2 actives.

This may not work either if the assassin gets a garrote off after you ichor. Try to run erratically, especially in areas you know assassins will be. Avoiding a perf will increase your chances a lot.

Also, ichor is uninterruptible so you don't need MoC to use it.

So basically assassin vanishes -> is greater than any strategy

Anyway, at least I'm not going to stress to find a solution, thanks

Tue 1 Oct 2019 4:56 AM by Freedomcall

quickcast + mezz
pray to the god it does not resist

if he purges, concentration -> quickcast + stun
then boom boom to death

Tue 1 Oct 2019 12:07 PM by Keelia

Caster vs stealther is a uphill fight, unless you’re a Bd, necro or unhittable SM. You can play all these scenarios but all the stealthier needs is purge and vanish and they are going to win or disengage and hope you stick around. Pretty much you eat a PA you’re more than likely dead by the time you purge and get a quick cast off you’re dead or about to die from bleeds and dot. It’s just the way the game is. Stealthers>most casters.

Tue 1 Oct 2019 9:57 PM by Frigzy

Let me start off by saying that you should always try to make it as hard as possible to PA you. Strafe/run zigzag/backwards/unpredictably and mix some PBAOE inbetween. If you can catch a stealther attacking you without his PA, you can use the methods below to kill him. Or force a purge / vanish.

Solo Eld is very challenging and ideally you need some RR to be able to cope with challenges. Minstrels, Skalds and BDs will -in most scenarios- destroy you without you standing much of a chance. In fact stealthers are a better match than those classes. In any case, outside of those classes, you're actually a powerful solo class despite not having speed.

Solo (mana) Eld must haves:

Items: Strong Elixir of Healing, Heart of Legion (health charge), SI vest and health/abla procs on armor
Minimal RAs: Purge 2, Ichor 2, Concentration 1, LW 1 , Tireless 1
Optimal RAs: Purge 3, Ichor 2+, Concentration 1 (+), LW 1, Tireless 1, Master of Focus 2 (+), MoArts 5(+), AugDex 5(+), Dmg RAs...

Basically you need Ichor 2 because Ichor 1 will allow the stealther to catch up to you way too fast if casted from melee range. Ideally you have some MoF so you can rely on your low level mezz a bit more.

If you get PAd you WILL get stunned if he doesn't miss his followup. The best way to deal with it is to IMMEDIATELY after the PA use the health potion before he uses his stun style. This is because the potion forces you into a period of 2 seconds in which you can't cast. Every millisecond counts! If you pop the health pot after the stun, you're giving him those 2 seconds for free. In a perfect world you use this half second before his stun also to insta debuff his str/con and str.

After this you will eat the stun. Immediately purge that and use the health charge too if necessary, to prevent you from going too low. Next you quickcast your mezz. If it lands, you're technically in a great spot. Be ready to gain some distance, most stealthers will instantly purge your first quickcasted CC. If it doesn't land you're forced immediately into either concentration + quickcast or ichor. Odds are not in your favor in this scenario.

If he doesn't purge, you can run and start casting snare nuke/disease. If he gets too close you can kite or stun him. Be careful, he might purge the snare and suddenly be on top of you. In theory this is a kill.

If he does purge, as in most cases, you are now forced into using your concentration+quickcast stun OR Ichor, which is uninterruptable. This allows you to gain distance once more and proceed to kite. Best practice is to kite and expect them to purge so you are ready to anticipate their purge with a second CC cast.

It is likely that once you've managed to turn the tables the stealther will use vanish to escape. Obviously you can't do much about this. Just keep in mind that when he presses vanish, it basically means you won the fight.

Last tip: you can frontload damage by casting bolt first, then your DD so that both hit at about the same time, causing spike dmg. Most of the time the bolt will land first and your DD right after, so you do not break your own snare.

Happy hunting!

Wed 2 Oct 2019 12:08 AM by vxr

Frigzy wrote: ↑
Tue 1 Oct 2019 9:57 PM
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Items: Strong Elixir of Healing, Heart of Legion (health charge), SI vest and health/abla procs on armor
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If you get PAd you WILL get stunned if he doesn't miss his followup. The best way to deal with it is to IMMEDIATELY after the PA use the health potion before he uses his stun style. This is because the potion forces you into a period of 2 seconds in which you can't cast. Every millisecond counts! If you pop the health pot after the stun, you're giving him those 2 seconds for free. In a perfect world you use this half second before his stun also to insta debuff his str/con and str.

Zyfrig is a solid Eld so I would take his advice, but I would like to add that the instant power/heal don't require you to wait 2 seconds.
Also ontop of all that he mentioned I would run an ablative charge to help mitigate against frontload.

Wed 2 Oct 2019 8:07 AM by Razur Ur

Is this only solo Eld? Because 50mana and 20 light!

Wed 2 Oct 2019 2:35 PM by Frigzy

vxr wrote: ↑
Wed 2 Oct 2019 12:08 AM
Zyfrig is a solid Eld so I would take his advice, but I would like to add that the instant power/heal don't require you to wait 2 seconds.
Also ontop of all that he mentioned I would run an ablative charge to help mitigate against frontload.

Cheers. I wasn't aware of the Instant Heal/Power pots not requiring the cooldown, that's great to know!