Growth Rates on DW Styles

Started 17 Aug 2018
by Kontrol
in Albion
I noticed something was off with my shadow's rain dmg compared to ecplipse and that made me start testing a few other popular styles in the Dual Wield line.
I suppose it could be entirely accurate and you guys are using different growth rates, but I figured this is beta, so here is the info.

All testing against lvl 5 training dummy outside of camelot

---------------MAX-DMG--nyxian----wyrd
flank -------------361-----.859-------- .85
shadows rain---389----1.024------1.05
Shadows Edge-347------.63 ---------0.65
Eclipse------------394-----.875---------0.90
Penumbra-------396-----.886---------0.90
Dual Shadow---381------.79----------.8
Inflame-----------332------.571--------0.60

As you can see, shadow's rain hits for less than eclipse and penumbra. And Dual Shadow hits harder than flank.
Fri 17 Aug 2018 4:50 AM by Cadebrennus
The numbers look right (except for one) compared to this chart which has been extensively tested and confirmed;

http://talsyra.tripod.com/daocmechanics/albion_styles.html

tyle Line: Dual Wield
Level Name Growth Prerequisite Attack Defense Fatigue Damage Effect
2 Twin Spikes 0.05 M L-
4 Twin Return 0.90 You evade M L L M Bleed 20s 3h/4s, 18 total
6 Shadow's Edge 0.65 Behind foe M M H
8 Inflame 0.60 M- M L Taunt
10 Orbit 0.90 Twin Return M M M Hindered 100% for 12s
12 Eclipse 0.90 Shadow's Edge M M H Slowed 20s
15 Misty Gloom 0.45 L H M
18 Obscure 0.00 H M Detaunt
21 Penumbra 0.90 Shadow's Edge H M H
25 Reflection 0.90 You parry L L L M
29 Flank 0.85 Beside foe M M H Hindered 100% for 12s
34 Dark Tendrils 0.90 Merc=parry, Inf=evade M L M Bleed 40s 15h/4s, 165 total
39 Shadow's Rain 1.05 Flank M L M H Slowed 20s
44 Hypnotic Darkness 0.90 Reflection H M M Stun 7s
50 Dual Shadows 0.80 Facing foe M M- M M Bleed 40s 25h/4s, 275 total

Another thing to consider is that while one style may have a high raw Growth Rate and another doesn't, the one with the lower growth rate may have additional effects (bleed/stun/snare/ASR) that balances it out. In particular bleeds can add significant damage if timed well.
Fri 17 Aug 2018 5:55 AM by Kontrol
The issue is the growth rates for dual wield are not working properly for the 1.65patch. This can be seen by styles that should have lower GR doing more damage than ones that should have higher gr. After effects don't matter in this context because I'm only comparing the GR not the utility or viability of a style. Going to test on my 50 bm now and see if there are similar issues there.
Fri 17 Aug 2018 6:06 AM by Kontrol
tested GRs on side chain, rear chain and taunt and everything seemed in line with wyrd/nyxian growth rate damage. There has to be something bugged with Dual Wield styles on merc atm. or they've changed the GR's from non 1.65 numbers.
Fri 17 Aug 2018 6:36 AM by Kontrol
Seems like Flank is .7ish gr, and shadow's rain is .85ish (as it's slightly higher than dual shadow and lower than eclipse and penumbra)
Wed 22 Aug 2018 9:37 AM by Gwendolein
Hi all,

I opened a bug a couple of days ago for this, please help to gather feedback.

https://tracker.playphoenix.online/issues/babbc0f4-b304-4e36-ae83-aa274e14112d

Here is the answer regarding damage calculation - seems like that they are not using growth rate.

Many styles have now been reviewd

Melee damage uses this formulas: https://camelotherald.wikia.com/wiki/Melee_Damage

STYLE_DAMAGE = (STYLE_BASE + (SPEC - STYLE_LEVEL) * STYLE_GROWTH)
* SWING_SPEED
* DAMAGE_MODIFIER / 10
+ BASE_DAMAGE * TOA_STYLE_BONUS

https://camelotherald.wikia.com/wiki/Dual_Wield
Flank: STYLE_BASE 90, STYLE_GROWTH 2
Shadow’s Rain: STYLE_BASE 130, STYLE_GROWTH 3
Dual Shadows: STYLE_BASE 170, STYLE_GROWTH 3
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