I havent played this game since like 2002 and decided to reinstall. I decided to go Alb but cant really decide on a class. I want something that gets group invites without spending hours spamming LFG channel. Dont really want to play cleric since that seems like too much pressure in RvR. I want to start with the easiest, most faceroll class possible while I relearn the game. Then after I feel confident I wont get kicked from every group I join for being bad I will try something with a larger role in fights. However right now I dont know even the simplest of things like which classes to debuff or mez first. I just want to mash an assist key and make people dead. But before I can do all that I need something that people want in groups so I can level to 50. Seems like one thing I do remember from playing was leveling to 50 was a very painful experience.
Classes wanted in both PvE and RvR but not Cleric?
Started 7 Mar 2019
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Tiffy31
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Albion
Thu 7 Mar 2019 6:37 AM
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MacPrior
Classes are needed in RvR-PvE - Pala, Armsman, Merc, Sorc, Theurgist, Cabba,
The way to 50 on Phoenix is really much easy as at live to classic times. At least in Midgard you have no problems to find or to build a group. Normally in Alb the problem for Grp building is a lack of cleris, of pala, of sorc. And in General to build the group in Albion much more difficult then in both other realms.
If it is doesn`t matter, I will say you - just roll as a beginner Midgard - its a strait away realm with with most efficient and simple to play classes like Bersi, Warrior, Skald. If you see, its nothing for your, just wait 12 hours and start a different realm.
Also solo leveln on Phoenix thanks to XP-Loot tasks, see wiki, transparent system of bonus for mobs and phoenix eggs is very dynamic and even for non-pve-players interesting and efficient.
So, welcome on Phoenix and enjoy the game!
The way to 50 on Phoenix is really much easy as at live to classic times. At least in Midgard you have no problems to find or to build a group. Normally in Alb the problem for Grp building is a lack of cleris, of pala, of sorc. And in General to build the group in Albion much more difficult then in both other realms.
If it is doesn`t matter, I will say you - just roll as a beginner Midgard - its a strait away realm with with most efficient and simple to play classes like Bersi, Warrior, Skald. If you see, its nothing for your, just wait 12 hours and start a different realm.
Also solo leveln on Phoenix thanks to XP-Loot tasks, see wiki, transparent system of bonus for mobs and phoenix eggs is very dynamic and even for non-pve-players interesting and efficient.
So, welcome on Phoenix and enjoy the game!
Thu 7 Mar 2019 10:37 AM
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Sepplord
what you are looking for almost doesn't exist, and the classes that are the closest to filling all of your desires are also the ones that are already overpopulated (due to obvious reasons).
I understand that you don't want to play cleric, but if it is JUST that you feel you aren't good enough then try it. Healers aren't really THAT hard to play, especially not clerics since they don't have much additional roles.
If you don't want to heal because you want to kill stuff, that is also fine, and i can understand that, but imo there is no class that is good in PvE and PvP and highly looked for.
I understand that you don't want to play cleric, but if it is JUST that you feel you aren't good enough then try it. Healers aren't really THAT hard to play, especially not clerics since they don't have much additional roles.
If you don't want to heal because you want to kill stuff, that is also fine, and i can understand that, but imo there is no class that is good in PvE and PvP and highly looked for.
Thu 7 Mar 2019 1:33 PM
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Salviati
Sorcs, minstrels, sometimes theurgists, occasionally - rarely - an armsman.
Good theurgists seem rare on this server. I don't know why, it's not a particularly difficult class to play. But I guess that's true of all classes.
I wouldn't listen to MacPrior, because Paladins are definitely not that list. If you have friends or a sympathetic guild they may have a charity spot for a paladin that they'd honestly rather use on something else. Do not roll a paladin expecting to get groups on demand or even reliably unless, like I said, you have people who will regularly take on a charity case.
Most alb groups in PvE are either focus groups or tank n spank groups. For focus groups, that means you get a cabby/necro, 2+ clerics, 1+ ice wizzy, a battery (Sorc/Minstrel)maybe a shield and take on whatever charity spots you want. For tank groups that means you get some combination of cleric, cleric/friar, shield, sight necro, theurgist, decide if you need a battery (Sorc/Minstrel) and then fill out the melee dps. If you're a tank and not a paladin you will have an expectation of carrying endurance regen potions wherever you go so you're self sustaining. A 1gold charge completely nullifies an entire class's desirability (paladin) so if you want to play tank an Armsman is probably your best chance to get pve and rvr groups for the simple fact of stoicism + determination.
So, the TL;DR is the first line.
Honestly, if you want easy face-roll classes you should play either of the 3 assassins, an animist, minstrel (most broken class in the game, but maybe not easy, but not difficult either - look at how many are top of the RP charts, that doesn't happen because the class is hard to play, it's broken), savage (probably the easiest, most face-roll class available). So essentially, if you want to play alb and faceroll and want groups that class doesn't really exist outside of minstrels. Minstrels don't faceroll in groups as you adopt a utility roll. They do faceroll solo.
If you want to group in PvE and RvR and faceroll with the most ease as possible, choosing Alb was your first mistake (either of the other two realms has better choices). Not choosing mid was your second mistake. Not playing a savage was your third. So that's my final answer: Savage. (there's a reason why Mid is the over represented bully realm and it's not because it attracts "good players"
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Good theurgists seem rare on this server. I don't know why, it's not a particularly difficult class to play. But I guess that's true of all classes.
I wouldn't listen to MacPrior, because Paladins are definitely not that list. If you have friends or a sympathetic guild they may have a charity spot for a paladin that they'd honestly rather use on something else. Do not roll a paladin expecting to get groups on demand or even reliably unless, like I said, you have people who will regularly take on a charity case.
Most alb groups in PvE are either focus groups or tank n spank groups. For focus groups, that means you get a cabby/necro, 2+ clerics, 1+ ice wizzy, a battery (Sorc/Minstrel)maybe a shield and take on whatever charity spots you want. For tank groups that means you get some combination of cleric, cleric/friar, shield, sight necro, theurgist, decide if you need a battery (Sorc/Minstrel) and then fill out the melee dps. If you're a tank and not a paladin you will have an expectation of carrying endurance regen potions wherever you go so you're self sustaining. A 1gold charge completely nullifies an entire class's desirability (paladin) so if you want to play tank an Armsman is probably your best chance to get pve and rvr groups for the simple fact of stoicism + determination.
So, the TL;DR is the first line.
Honestly, if you want easy face-roll classes you should play either of the 3 assassins, an animist, minstrel (most broken class in the game, but maybe not easy, but not difficult either - look at how many are top of the RP charts, that doesn't happen because the class is hard to play, it's broken), savage (probably the easiest, most face-roll class available). So essentially, if you want to play alb and faceroll and want groups that class doesn't really exist outside of minstrels. Minstrels don't faceroll in groups as you adopt a utility roll. They do faceroll solo.
If you want to group in PvE and RvR and faceroll with the most ease as possible, choosing Alb was your first mistake (either of the other two realms has better choices). Not choosing mid was your second mistake. Not playing a savage was your third. So that's my final answer: Savage. (there's a reason why Mid is the over represented bully realm and it's not because it attracts "good players"
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Thu 7 Mar 2019 2:28 PM
by
secky
no worries, you didn't make any mistake. It's just the usual toxic DAoC player-base.
If you are asking about PvE
On Alb I would say:
- Caster: 1st caba; 2nd sorc
- melee: 1st arms; nothing else
- other: minstrel
Faceroll class I would say minstrel provided that you have a good gaming mouse to q-bind stuff
On other realms the scenario is somewhat similar, but I agree that mid is the easiest. This is because the most utility is concentrated on 2 classes (healer and shaman), and if you avoid those, grps are easy to form and the gameplay is not too hard.
If you are asking about PvE
On Alb I would say:
- Caster: 1st caba; 2nd sorc
- melee: 1st arms; nothing else
- other: minstrel
Faceroll class I would say minstrel provided that you have a good gaming mouse to q-bind stuff
On other realms the scenario is somewhat similar, but I agree that mid is the easiest. This is because the most utility is concentrated on 2 classes (healer and shaman), and if you avoid those, grps are easy to form and the gameplay is not too hard.
Thu 7 Mar 2019 3:17 PM
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Cami
The only two classes which are always welcome in RvR and for leveling are Cleric and Cabalist, assuming, that most leveling groups are still doing petpull which might or might not be true anymore. No doubt, that the Cleric is the easier class and safest choice.
Armsman and Sorc may count as runnerups, but both are not really required for petpull leveling. Additionally, not everyone welcomes an Arms in RvR (zerg zerg zerg), sadly.
Armsman and Sorc may count as runnerups, but both are not really required for petpull leveling. Additionally, not everyone welcomes an Arms in RvR (zerg zerg zerg), sadly.
Thu 7 Mar 2019 3:22 PM
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Dimir
Nothing is nearly as close as Cleric. I would highly recommend you try that, as others have said, the pressure isn't as bad as you think. Albion really needs more clerics and it's a great class to get you into the game and have something for all aspects of the game.
Thu 7 Mar 2019 3:54 PM
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Pravius
As someone who just leveled a Sorc to 50 let me tell you that I did not always have an easy time finding grps. RvR is a different story, every group needs at least 1 if not 2 Sorcs. The problem with Sorcs is that everyone (almost everyone) is doing focus pulls with either a Cabby or a Necro, so no CC is needed. Sorcs have POM (power regen) but these days everyone wants everything instantly so deathsight necro has become the power "battery" because of their ability to instantly transfer power to classes. I was able to find some groups but I was for sure not the first choice for groups, more of a filler and I did not have much of a role other than nuke a few times and try to make sure everyone always had POM.
Play what you like, that is my advice. There are enough people still leveling to find a grp quickly and honestly most people are too lazy to make a grp. If you make your own grp you will be just fine.
EDIT: Phoenix devs are smart and implemented a bonus XP system to grant bonus XP for class diversion in grps. The more diverse classes you have in a group the higher the XP bonus is. This encourages people to invite different classes to grps.
Play what you like, that is my advice. There are enough people still leveling to find a grp quickly and honestly most people are too lazy to make a grp. If you make your own grp you will be just fine.
EDIT: Phoenix devs are smart and implemented a bonus XP system to grant bonus XP for class diversion in grps. The more diverse classes you have in a group the higher the XP bonus is. This encourages people to invite different classes to grps.
Thu 7 Mar 2019 5:37 PM
by
relvinian
I think you should make one toon and level it to 50.
Then play it.
Maybe a cabalist.
48 spirit 24 body cab,
Just use ur assist macro and then debuff for ur sorc, body cab, air theurgist, necro, reaver, etc.
Send that annoying speedy pet into the bard/healer and then assist nuke
BTW spirit cab can be really annoying near keeps, apk, mg, etc. Send that annoying ass pet after some solo then run away.
Then play it.
Maybe a cabalist.
48 spirit 24 body cab,
Just use ur assist macro and then debuff for ur sorc, body cab, air theurgist, necro, reaver, etc.
Send that annoying speedy pet into the bard/healer and then assist nuke
BTW spirit cab can be really annoying near keeps, apk, mg, etc. Send that annoying ass pet after some solo then run away.
Thu 7 Mar 2019 8:58 PM
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Tiffy31
might give Cleric a shot then. i have PvP healed in other games but the "cant cast while under attack" seems like it would be real hard to do it here. I mean in every MMO I have PvPed in (WoW, Rift, SWToR, Aion) you ALWAYS go for the healers first. So wouldnt it be hard to get heals off if everyone is focusing you all the time?
Thu 7 Mar 2019 9:06 PM
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Pravius
Most groups will run a couple different clerics/healers. The dynamics are a little different in this game, healers can be hard to take down if you focus them always first and by doing so you risk leaving their casters open to burn down your group. It depends on the groups (main assist's) strategy but healers are not always the first to get targeted. You will likely have pets on you a lot to keep you interrupted but there are several ways of handling that. Tanks can peel off you, casters can CC, etc.
Thu 7 Mar 2019 11:40 PM
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Dabrixmgp
Tiffy31 wrote: ↑Thu 7 Mar 2019 8:58 PMmight give Cleric a shot then. i have PvP healed in other games but the "cant cast while under attack" seems like it would be real hard to do it here. I mean in every MMO I have PvPed in (WoW, Rift, SWToR, Aion) you ALWAYS go for the healers first. So wouldnt it be hard to get heals off if everyone is focusing you all the time?
played DAoC for about 2 years after launch then went to other games as well. When I came back I was shocked to see people just not sticking to healers until they died so that took some getting used to. I still cant figure out why you dont want the healers to die first. I will be watching people stream playing Bard or Healers and it amazes me how much time they are left alone to free cast. Sure someone will run by and whack them every now and then to keep them from casting for a few seconds but thats it unless everyone else is already dead. Are people just bad or something? Why wouldnt you want to focus the healer first?
Fri 8 Mar 2019 7:54 AM
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Cami
Healer classes do have good armor, high HP and at least Clerics are positioned far away from the enemy most of the time while never being out of range for their own instant heals. If played well, that makes them even harder targets to kill than an Armsman. And in the time your are chasing them, their DPS classes will kill your group one by one.
The better approach is to prevent DPS classes from doing damage by focussing on them, assist, rupt, peel, kite. Enemy healers should be rupted, not focussed. If they can heal freely, you are clearly doing something wrong, but there are usually easier targets to pick for your assist. Sure, there are times to go for a healer, especially when one is completely out of position like Nature Druids tend to be, but that is not the default.
The better approach is to prevent DPS classes from doing damage by focussing on them, assist, rupt, peel, kite. Enemy healers should be rupted, not focussed. If they can heal freely, you are clearly doing something wrong, but there are usually easier targets to pick for your assist. Sure, there are times to go for a healer, especially when one is completely out of position like Nature Druids tend to be, but that is not the default.
Fri 8 Mar 2019 8:32 AM
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MacPrior
Salviati wrote: ↑Thu 7 Mar 2019 1:33 PMI wouldn't listen to MacPrior, because Paladins are definitely not that list.
I would roll a Paladin just because of, Zitat PhoenixWiki-
Paladin
– Can purchase Determination
– Can additionally purchase Anger of the Gods, Vehement Renewal, and Wrath of Champions
– Endurance range has been increased to 2000
– Increased specialization points from 2.0 to 2.5 per level.
– Increased damage (Table increase from 19 to 21)
– Armor Factor (AF) buff co-exists with other buffs. Highest level buff will be active at any given time.
A fully plated tank - block or 2 H - with 2,5 trainings points a level and autotrain, with perfect aggro management and survivability in PvE, with increased by 2(!!!) points weapon damage Factor quite on a Level of off-melees and voll tank, with various chants becomes even better then the other alb melees and is very interesting class on Phoenix.
Fri 8 Mar 2019 5:13 PM
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Salviati
MacPrior wrote: ↑Fri 8 Mar 2019 8:32 AMSalviati wrote: ↑Thu 7 Mar 2019 1:33 PMI wouldn't listen to MacPrior, because Paladins are definitely not that list.
I would roll a Paladin just because of, Zitat PhoenixWiki-
Paladin
– Can purchase Determination
– Can additionally purchase Anger of the Gods, Vehement Renewal, and Wrath of Champions
– Endurance range has been increased to 2000
– Increased specialization points from 2.0 to 2.5 per level.
– Increased damage (Table increase from 19 to 21)
– Armor Factor (AF) buff co-exists with other buffs. Highest level buff will be active at any given time.
A fully plated tank - block or 2 H - with 2,5 trainings points a level and autotrain, with perfect aggro management and survivability in PvE, with increased by 2(!!!) points weapon damage Factor quite on a Level of off-melees and voll tank, with various chants becomes even better then the other alb melees and is very interesting class on Phoenix.
None of that is the least bit useful for getting RvR groups. Whether by direct or indirect problems it doesn't help the situation. You say you "would" roll a Paladin. I AM a Paladin, and a very good one and I have years of experience playing Armsmen, Paladins, and Warriors. Go roll your paladin.
Mon 11 Mar 2019 10:55 PM
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Ebenezer
Healers (with the exception of the Mid Pac Healer and the rarer Hib Nature Druid) play way back. You have to overextend to get to them, which leaves your group vulnerable to defeat in detail.
Here you'll also find Hib running up to 5 healers (druid, druid, bard, warden, ment). That means one of them is going to be free. The bard and menty aren't great healers, but either can keep a druid alive vs a single tank just fine and still have time to CC or clear pets. Which means you need to assist. Which means more healers are free. Easier to just pet the healers, and kill the casters. Or even the tank.
Back to the original topic...
I just rolled on alb this weekend. A sorc. I'm not getting xp groups. Oh a couple bad ones, but nothing resembling even a solid tank group. Mostly I'm running solo killtasks, which isn't terrible (I'm doing under an hour a level in the 30s, and I've never played alb, so I'm spending a lot of time lost). Sorc just seems superfluous. Fast leveling is about ice wizards and a necro/cabby/reaver, and even crack isn't that important with campfires and power-transfer. And there isn't even an option spec for aoe dmg.
I realize I could Cleric my way to victory (I'd probably be 50 already), but I did my part for the realm on Hib and made a Druid there. Dead boring in PvE, and not a lot better in RvR. I can't see doing it twice, especially if I'd just be staring at a pet for the first 30 hours.
Here you'll also find Hib running up to 5 healers (druid, druid, bard, warden, ment). That means one of them is going to be free. The bard and menty aren't great healers, but either can keep a druid alive vs a single tank just fine and still have time to CC or clear pets. Which means you need to assist. Which means more healers are free. Easier to just pet the healers, and kill the casters. Or even the tank.
Back to the original topic...
I just rolled on alb this weekend. A sorc. I'm not getting xp groups. Oh a couple bad ones, but nothing resembling even a solid tank group. Mostly I'm running solo killtasks, which isn't terrible (I'm doing under an hour a level in the 30s, and I've never played alb, so I'm spending a lot of time lost). Sorc just seems superfluous. Fast leveling is about ice wizards and a necro/cabby/reaver, and even crack isn't that important with campfires and power-transfer. And there isn't even an option spec for aoe dmg.
I realize I could Cleric my way to victory (I'd probably be 50 already), but I did my part for the realm on Hib and made a Druid there. Dead boring in PvE, and not a lot better in RvR. I can't see doing it twice, especially if I'd just be staring at a pet for the first 30 hours.
Tue 12 Mar 2019 4:07 AM
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Losse
If you want to mix it up a little could try friar. It sounds like your not going to hardcore elite pwnsauce 8v8 anyhow and you can still get groups ok on pugs/zerg who are often simply looking for heals in general. Also easy to get pve raids with them and leveling groups if u go heal/buff. Your still expected to heal some and peal but atleast you can solo if you want or hit stuff with the staff.
Sorcs dont get into the aoe groups without luck and effort since they have no aoe dps, They do have aoe debuff which is actually decent but the meta could care less. I dont agree, im just the messenger. They do solo very well. There are some posts about mele groups (which can include sorc for cc/pom/dps) and they are actually funner and about the same xp imo.
We really need sorcs willing to drive or at least play with the casual groups that try to form just to relax and get tasks in.
Sorcs dont get into the aoe groups without luck and effort since they have no aoe dps, They do have aoe debuff which is actually decent but the meta could care less. I dont agree, im just the messenger. They do solo very well. There are some posts about mele groups (which can include sorc for cc/pom/dps) and they are actually funner and about the same xp imo.
We really need sorcs willing to drive or at least play with the casual groups that try to form just to relax and get tasks in.
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