Albion in the Beta i50 age

Started 5 Oct 2018
by romulus
in Albion
Hail, sons and daughters of Arthur!

I50 is coming up quickly and I wanted to make a short PSA to remind folks of a couple important issues.

As we well suspect, I50 is going to bring a lot of new people to the server, and to the realm. Some of these people are returning beta testers, who for one reason or another took a break from playing for a while. Some will be experienced DAOC players, but who may be new to Phoenix. Some are going to be completely new and will have never played DAOC before.

This population boost means that RvR is probably going to be more "zergy" than we've heretofore experienced. If you (like me) like this kind of RvR, then you will probably find a lot to like in i50 since there will probably be multi-groups heading out for keep attack and defend missions, dominate missions, etc.

For those that prefer more intimate engagements (8man, small-man, duos), you will likely have to settle for action on the periphery, or logging in off-hours. There will still be small-man action even during prime hours: roaming around in the rear areas, preventing reinforcements from reaching the embattled keeps, blocking at the milegates, etc. Perhaps like-minded players from the other realms will also roam away from the task zones and provide the smaller action that these players desire.

I50 RvR is going to be chaotic; it's going to be messy. Your perfect aoe mez is going to get broken by someone's aoe dots; you will have light tanks that don't know what an MA is; you will have healers that will blow their instas on the clothies when they are at 50% and don't have them available for the tank when he's at 10% (I might be projecting a bit on that last one!)

The point is, it won't be perfect. Nothing ever is. Please be kind. Look for the teaching moments where you can give some timely advice to a new player, or even an experienced player on an unfamiliar toon. Offer suggestions. Be understanding, tolerant, and ultimately, forgiving of the mistakes that will happen.

To those elite players here in Albion, we love you! We need you! We need more like you! Help us raise the skill level of all our players. Remember that we all started out in Cotswold, or Humberton, or Camelot Village as a level 1 newb. Imagine if you would have been handed a level 50 RR5L9 minstrel back then. After the Woot! would have worn off, you would have experienced what a lot of our new players are going to experience.

We want everyone who plays Albion on beta to return and play Albion on release. We want everyone to play the character that they want to play, and to contribute to a strong, healthy realm. Be kind. Be patient. Be helpful. The new players in Albion today will be the Champions of Albion tomorrow. Help them get there.

Please be mindful of your language to our brothers and sisters in Albion. Harsh words and insults hurt, especially when flung in the heat of the moment at someone who knows that they just screwed up and caused a party wipe. There is no worse feeling in the world than knowing your mistake ruined so much time and preparation for a whole group of other players. Being angry is ok. But turn a screw up into a teaching moment. I am grateful to the elite players that gave me gruff advice when I started, and I'm a better (though by no means good) player because of it.

We are all Albion! The Tent of Arthur is wide enough to encompass everyone who wants to play here. Everyone is deserving of a seat at the Round Table. Teach, encourage, reproach (when necessary) and we will have a strong, skilled, and successful realm where everyone is cherished and everyone contributes!

For the Realm! For Arthur! For Albion!
Fri 5 Oct 2018 3:39 PM by Waygone
Well said Tamlan..
Fri 5 Oct 2018 3:54 PM by relvinian
You are certainly doing your part, Tamlan.

That being said, I don't think most players have made their final realm decision by i50, particularly the new crowd which will be coming during that time.

In my opinion, real testing doesn't begin until then, and also real balance of the realms and classes doesn't begin until then.
Fri 5 Oct 2018 4:38 PM by poisonclover
Albion is lucky to have you.
Fri 5 Oct 2018 5:23 PM by defiasbandit
This is the most Tamlan thing I've ever read.
Fri 5 Oct 2018 6:36 PM by Turtle006
This message reminds me why I am going to test other realms during i50. I think that all realms have idiots and /advice trolls, they just seem overwhelming on Alb right now. Probably, I will see that all 3 realms are the same, and hopefully people like you help the overall attitude on Alb.
Fri 5 Oct 2018 7:43 PM by romulus
Hi Turtle!

I'm truly sorry that you have been soured by your experiences with (hopefully) a small number negative players in /advice. I want to believe that the majority of players here are courteous, humane, and are here to have fun. Anonymity can bring out the worst in people, just as it can bring out the best. Behavior in the former category is what I hope to help limit, especially (but certainly not limited to) to the new folks who will be coming to the server.

I sincerely hope no one feels so offended as to leave Albion (or the server completely) because of a bad exchange in chat. Albion is diminished when good people leave because of the words and actions of a few, caustic people. We are stronger together. Be kind. Be tolerant. If you are on the receiving end, remember that there are server guidelines for acceptable speech and behavior. If those lines are crossed, go ahead and report them. It's better to remove the bad apples than let good people leave. Let's make Albion a shining example of decorum and civility.

For the Realm! For Arthur! For Albion!
Sun 7 Oct 2018 5:09 PM by Expfighter
Tamlan,
Not to worry, after today's wipe of all items, i just deleted my 20 50's on Phoenix until the live server opens! i was already geared for the next 2 weeks, am not going to regear all my toons to be exactely like everyone else.

I spent alot of time on epic quests, items and such LAST NIGHT, only to have it wiped today!

i understand that before live happens there will be a wipe, i was ok with that, but not going to regear just to have it all wiped again, even if it is for free!

there should have been a /servernews announcement about this, and everyday for the last week! this is the first time i have actually been on the forums!
Sun 7 Oct 2018 9:20 PM by romulus
Exp my friend,
There probably isn't anything I can say to assuage the anger and disappointment you feel, but let me try. I feel your frustration, and believe me, you are not alone in feeling blindsided by this change. A lot of people were invested (and were still investing) in their characters, even just yesterday, oblivious that an item wipe was coming so soon. I spent an hour helping some players get their templates created and spell-crafted late early yesterday morning. Lots of people lost items on their merchants and vaults that they would have sold and now cannot. You have a right to be angry.

As I told you in chat, and above in this post, you are the kind of player that we need in Albion. You are an experienced player and you've made a serious investment to help test the server. I can't even imagine the amount of time creating 20 characters would entail! Your contribution cannot be understated, and I'm sure the devs here are grateful for your help. I'm sorry that you feel that the best choice is to walk away before the real i50 testing has started, but I definitely understand the compulsion. Maybe you are right that some time away from the game is for the best.

i50 is right around the corner and maybe in a few weeks, you will feel a little better about things. Maybe then you can roll some 50s and join us once again in the frontiers (Though if you do, I hope you are playing under the Albion banner!) I think everyone needs time to reflect and get some perspective. Passionate people do things passionately, and I hope that after you've given it some thought that you will join us again in Albion.

If you choose not to play during i50, no one will fault you. Like you said, everything here is temporary. The characters, accomplishments, tallies, all of it. Except for the friendships, the relationships. The time playing a game we love with people we like and admire. That part is real.

Godspeed my friend and brother. May we meet again on the field under the banner of Albion; in this world or the next.

For the Realm! For Arthur! For Albion!
Sun 7 Oct 2018 11:08 PM by Dominus
Mid could use a Tamlan.
Mon 8 Oct 2018 2:28 AM by Expfighter
romulus wrote:
Sun 7 Oct 2018 9:20 PM
Exp my friend,
There probably isn't anything I can say to assuage the anger and disappointment you feel, but let me try. I feel your frustration, and believe me, you are not alone in feeling blindsided by this change. A lot of people were invested (and were still investing) in their characters, even just yesterday, oblivious that an item wipe was coming so soon. I spent an hour helping some players get their templates created and spell-crafted late early yesterday morning. Lots of people lost items on their merchants and vaults that they would have sold and now cannot. You have a right to be angry.

As I told you in chat, and above in this post, you are the kind of player that we need in Albion. You are an experienced player and you've made a serious investment to help test the server. I can't even imagine the amount of time creating 20 characters would entail! Your contribution cannot be understated, and I'm sure the devs here are grateful for your help. I'm sorry that you feel that the best choice is to walk away before the real i50 testing has started, but I definitely understand the compulsion. Maybe you are right that some time away from the game is for the best.

i50 is right around the corner and maybe in a few weeks, you will feel a little better about things. Maybe then you can roll some 50s and join us once again in the frontiers (Though if you do, I hope you are playing under the Albion banner!) I think everyone needs time to reflect and get some perspective. Passionate people do things passionately, and I hope that after you've given it some thought that you will join us again in Albion.

If you choose not to play during i50, no one will fault you. Like you said, everything here is temporary. The characters, accomplishments, tallies, all of it. Except for the friendships, the relationships. The time playing a game we love with people we like and admire. That part is real.

Godspeed my friend and brother. May we meet again on the field under the banner of Albion; in this world or the next.

For the Realm! For Arthur! For Albion!

Tamlan thank you for your understanding, but i love the server! i didn't need a break, i just went back and played my 60+ lvl 50's(16 years worth) on live, it sucks but it's daoc, the GREATEST MMO Ever to be made.

I'll be back when this server goes live.
Mon 8 Oct 2018 8:58 AM by Druth
Albion needs fewer stealthers, fewer solo minstrels, more clerics, and more sazz.
Mon 8 Oct 2018 10:18 AM by florin
Druth wrote:
Mon 8 Oct 2018 8:58 AM
Albion needs fewer stealthers, fewer solo minstrels, more clerics, and more sazz.

Go back nearly 20 years and it’s the same - (visible on many forums). Alb attracts jerk soloists. We need more Tamlans!
Mon 8 Oct 2018 3:34 PM by romulus
Thank you for the kind words!

/em hugs

If the experiences from this weekend are any indication, what Albion needs is more people RvRing. While the server population numbers look pretty balanced, we have a large sub-50 population that is still leveling up, and isn't yet able to contribute to the war effort. This (as well as some of the confusion about i50 gear) led to some pretty lop-sided action over the weekend. I hope that we will have a better showing next weekend when this next generation reaches 50.

If anyone here is rolling Albion (and reading the forums), then welcome! Grouping is a little rough right now, but hang in there! I have a dwindling stash of xp task items that have been graciously donated to help folks who are in that 40-49 range. Please send me a message in-game or stop by and see me in Camelot by the vault and I'll see what I can do to help. If any big-hearted Albs would like to donate xp items, please do the same, or reach out to any new people that you see running around. Everyone needs a friend and to feel welcomed here! Let's build a community and get all our brothers and sisters out on the frontline! We are stronger together!

For the Realm! For Arthur! For Albion!
Tue 9 Oct 2018 3:52 AM by Waygone
Grouping is real rough. I know my characters aren't ideal for groups (experienced necro, scout, cabalist (well, cabalist is. Just haven't played her much) and now mini on Alb. I have 50 mids and hibs as well. I get very frustrated RvRing on my necro only to get continually face rolled by mid and hib full groups. I think the best way to fight thos is to join a group. Good luck with that! After spamming /lfg for about an hour, and asking at APK at a group waiting to fill group to join and them asking if "I had another character I could play", I decided to roll a mini.
I think the main reason people make a minstrel and get frustrated in RvR on Alb is the struggle to get into a group, especially as a less than optimal character type.
And now, I get group invites and tell pretty often. People even complain about all the "solo" minstrels ruining the game.
Well, at least a solo mini can keep up with the other Albs if he's not desirable enough to get into a group..
Tue 9 Oct 2018 4:17 AM by relvinian
Based on my observations I think tank train is where it is at.



1. Sorc
2. Minstrel
3. Cleric
4. Cleric
5. Arms polearm
6. Arms polearm
7. Arms polearm

8. Theurg/Cab
Tue 9 Oct 2018 12:23 PM by romulus
I'm sorry, Wagone.

/em sympathetic hug.

I wish there was a way to incentivize group diversity in RvR groups the same way that the Phoenix devs have been able to do with PvE. It's sad that some of the more popular PvE classes struggle to be accepted in end-game RvR. If you, or anyone, can think of something to help remedy this, it might be worth posting your thoughts to the suggestion forum. People who play these classes have perspective and insight that others (dev included!) sometimes lack.

Due to the lower server pop right now, I'm surprised that more groups don't just roll the dice and invite anyone just to fill up the party. Surely having a full group, even if you have a necro or two, is better than running with open slots! I do think that you might have an easier time getting a group for your scout and minstrel once i50 hits, as the number of stealth groups is poised to swell.

Hang in there, my friend!

For the Realm! For Arthur! For Albion!
Tue 9 Oct 2018 12:30 PM by Druth
Minstrels often just invite my reaver, and I love it

Speed is a amazing, and Reaver+Minstrel is a really strong duo.

Imo, if you are on your minstrel and see slow moving realmmates, invite them.
Tue 9 Oct 2018 12:33 PM by Algarakai
I m totally agreed with Waygone
Grouping on Albion is harsch, and painfull, even if you have a "requested" class (sorc, minstrel, merc, ect..)
I ve tried several times, to group , and every time it s the same scenario
We adventuring in ZF, get agroed by two full Mid/Hib group...get killed and after that … everyone log out,
When I50 will be activated , im gonna try an another realm , hibernia maybe
Albion is a great realm, with great class (friar by example, a quite underestimated class) but we lack something that the others realms had :
Willfull players...Or just some ppl who don t quit after the first wipe
Sorry for albion..


(and sorry for my English, it s not my maternal langage)
Tue 9 Oct 2018 2:55 PM by romulus
Hi Algarakai,

There is a lot of truth in your words. A lot. Grouping is harsh right now. Even Kaosfuryy a stalwart defender of Albion has expressed frustration for some of the action (or lack, thereof) going on right now. I'm not sure, but I would be surprised if that isn't the case in all 3 realms at the moment. Things will be different once i50 truly lands, and then will change again once the server goes live. I'm sorry to see you go, especially when Albion needs high-caliber players like you. But, this is a time to check out everything that Phoenix has to offer; to meet new people and form new bonds of friendship (or friendly rivalries). I hope to see you back in Albion someday, kicking butt and taking names, drunken-friar style! Until then, my comrade-in-arms, we will hold your seat at the Table and toast to your hopeful return.

For the Realm! For Arthur! For Albion!
Tue 9 Oct 2018 5:42 PM by Turtle006
Thank you for all the effort you are putting in Tamlan. I hope that part of the issue is just that it is beta and by its nature temporary. Once the server goes live, I know that my guild (Dark Auspices) will be more active recruiting and trying to help people. We only have 3 active members right now, and we all live in the same house, so we have been pretty insular during beta, especially since we got some 50s to RvR with. My wife is the most active, and she is probably the most willing to help also. I know she helped a few people with their epic quests just because they asked. (She plays a cleric)
Thu 11 Oct 2018 3:41 AM by fmfsinned90
Druth wrote:
Mon 8 Oct 2018 8:58 AM
Albion needs fewer stealthers, fewer solo minstrels, more clerics, and more sazz.

I am going to test out cleric at 50 when the I50 happens, just too redic to find a group and level and just get everything down. My plan is at server launch to do Cleric/Sorc or Cleric/theurg depending on what is more needed for realm. Hopefully with the launch of I50 this means that live is baring down on us.
Thu 11 Oct 2018 6:14 PM by romulus
Hi Turtle!
You and Aste are awesome people! We are so lucky to have you both here in Albion! I look forward to working with you guys to build a strong, close-knit community here in Albion when we go live!

@fmfsinned90
Albion can always use more clerics! Live is looming on the horizon! Check out Uthred's latest i50 info post: Some very good information there.

For the Realm! For Arthur! For Albion!
Fri 12 Oct 2018 8:20 AM by Bethoc
This kind of realm pride and call to arms almost makes me want to switch to Albion and recreate some of my Uthgard characters here. Never underestimate the impact that a few active, inclusive RvR leaders can have when they choose to consistently step up.
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