Some ideas to make the solo game better.

Started 27 Aug 2020
by Kurbsen
in Suggestions
Since the PvP zone was taken down and the solo teleports were even taken out finding a solo fight is somewhat of a struggle due to getting ganked 8/10 runs right away.

Just a few ideas that can improve some QOL play.

Re-implement the solo teleport again, no reason not to have them honestly, not many people used it anyways. However, to maybe bring some more action to these keeps you can give people a reason to go onto the /fairfight toggle list. Make the person's location more specific, i.e, say they are at folley lake or whatever area, instead of only the zone, and on top of it, give maybe 100 rps on a fairfight claim. It doesn't have to be a lot, just something to keep this list populated.

I honestly think these two small additions would tremendously help the solo game out.

And for people saying that youre just gonna get ganked at the solo zone by fgs. Who cares, its gonna happen anyways, either there, or roaming in the frontier. Atleast this way there is a slight chance for some better action for solos.

@Uthred, lets go buddy you know im right <3
Thu 27 Aug 2020 7:08 PM by Astaa
The trouble is, no matter what they do you will get the bowtown idiots yelling at everyone for not waiting for RAs to be up or whatever. It's just not worth the effort for the GMs to police.

I'm all for soloing (I played a solo hero on and off for close to 15 years!) but I don't think it is something that can be created by GMs or devs.

Back in the day on Excal/Pryd cluster we had a nice solo community going, for a time we would arrange a rotating zone away from the zerg so for example atm all the zerg action is in Hadrians, so the soloers would head to somewhere like Yggdra forest and roam, it keeps it solo friendly and allows for more organic fights. Obviously, after a time the bads and zergers would get wind of it and zerg it up for cheap RPs but then you move zone. It's not ideal but it felt like the best way to manage it.
Thu 27 Aug 2020 7:14 PM by Ibs
Kurbsen wrote:
Thu 27 Aug 2020 6:47 PM
Since the PvP zone was taken down and the solo teleports were even taken out finding a solo fight is somewhat of a struggle due to getting ganked 8/10 runs right away.

Just a few ideas that can improve some QOL play.

Re-implement the solo teleport again, no reason not to have them honestly, not many people used it anyways. However, to maybe bring some more action to these keeps you can give people a reason to go onto the /fairfight toggle list. Make the person's location more specific, i.e, say they are at folley lake or whatever area, instead of only the zone, and on top of it, give maybe 100 rps on a fairfight claim. It doesn't have to be a lot, just something to keep this list populated.

I honestly think these two small additions would tremendously help the solo game out.

And for people saying that youre just gonna get ganked at the solo zone by fgs. Who cares, its gonna happen anyways, either there, or roaming in the frontier. Atleast this way there is a slight chance for some better action for solos.

@Uthred, lets go buddy you know im right <3



All of these suggestions and more have all been made. Uthred pretty much said "nope, too much work, and you guys hurt my feelings so we're not considering anything more for soloers. We gave you the frontiers poc and summoners hall to fight in."
SUMMONERS HALL LOL...

You'll probably get a how dare you response or no reply at all. Welcome to the solo community, where literally everyone + the gms (at least uth) are against you.
Thu 27 Aug 2020 7:18 PM by Kurbsen
dont see the issue with a "bow town" honestly. Specially if listed on the fairfight list. Pretty similar gameplay to 8v8 where you pull off or help attack the people that are adding. thats just fair gameplay. If you add onto another fight and then lose, then thats your own fault and you should be embarassed for not having any awareness to the situation you put yourself in.

Lets be real. Daoc is a small community where everyone knows everyone basically. If you dont add fights and play fair. People will recognize this and in turn you probably wont get ganked by those people, but if youre a known zerger/ganker/teamer/w/e, then you definitely will get ganged up on. Its simple as that. Source: I let solos go all the time in my FG if I know they will not add any fights. Its the ones that do add that gets the punishment. Your own gameplay helps shape your experience while playing.
Thu 27 Aug 2020 7:45 PM by Kurbsen
Ibs wrote:
Thu 27 Aug 2020 7:40 PM
Here's the post i made that has the exact same suggestions (except more specific locations on /fairfight, which that suggestion had been made slightly before or after i made this post)


https://forum.playphoenix.online/get-involved/suggestions/25546-solo-vs-solo-fair-fight-rp-reward

If you're waiting for any kind of positive interaction, and or ideas, i wouldn't hold my breath.

ive made all these suggestions before as well in numerous threads, but those threads usually get too much useless content lol, so heres a new one with same stuff reiterated ;p
Thu 27 Aug 2020 7:54 PM by Astaa
Kurbsen wrote:
Thu 27 Aug 2020 7:18 PM
dont see the issue with a "bow town" honestly. Specially if listed on the fairfight list. Pretty similar gameplay to 8v8 where you pull off or help attack the people that are adding. thats just fair gameplay. If you add onto another fight and then lose, then thats your own fault and you should be embarassed for not having any awareness to the situation you put yourself in.

Lets be real. Daoc is a small community where everyone knows everyone basically. If you dont add fights and play fair. People will recognize this and in turn you probably wont get ganked by those people, but if youre a known zerger/ganker/teamer/w/e, then you definitely will get ganged up on. Its simple as that. Source: I let solos go all the time in my FG if I know they will not add any fights. Its the ones that do add that gets the punishment. Your own gameplay helps shape your experience while playing.

I got flamed for wolloping an RR10 SB on my RR5 hero, that I uncovered in bowtown, because "his RAs were down" bowtown is bollocks, sure it's nice that occasionally it happens organically, say a bunch of soloers happen to find themselves all bunched up, watching a fight etc but it's not the answer to soloing.
Thu 27 Aug 2020 8:08 PM by Ibs
Astaa wrote:
Thu 27 Aug 2020 7:54 PM
Kurbsen wrote:
Thu 27 Aug 2020 7:18 PM
dont see the issue with a "bow town" honestly. Specially if listed on the fairfight list. Pretty similar gameplay to 8v8 where you pull off or help attack the people that are adding. thats just fair gameplay. If you add onto another fight and then lose, then thats your own fault and you should be embarassed for not having any awareness to the situation you put yourself in.

Lets be real. Daoc is a small community where everyone knows everyone basically. If you dont add fights and play fair. People will recognize this and in turn you probably wont get ganked by those people, but if youre a known zerger/ganker/teamer/w/e, then you definitely will get ganged up on. Its simple as that. Source: I let solos go all the time in my FG if I know they will not add any fights. Its the ones that do add that gets the punishment. Your own gameplay helps shape your experience while playing.

I got flamed for wolloping an RR10 SB on my RR5 hero, that I uncovered in bowtown, because "his RAs were down" bowtown is bollocks, sure it's nice that occasionally it happens organically, say a bunch of soloers happen to find themselves all bunched up, watching a fight etc but it's not the answer to soloing.

Lol what happened to you would happen if you did that to one of your "organic fair trade non gmo" solo gatherings. If you stumbled upon 6 soloers in the frontiers waiting to fight each other and you run up and start attacking someone expect to get flamed or ganged up by 5 other people. What's your answer to soloing? Suck it up buttercup? Go fight in summoners hall?
Thu 27 Aug 2020 8:39 PM by Astaa
Erm, that's kind of the point. Just because you're standing around you shouldn't expect to not be attacked. If you can't cope with being jumped then don't go out solo.
Thu 27 Aug 2020 8:39 PM by Kurbsen
please stop derailing this thread. Lets hear suggestions to better our gameplay.
Thu 27 Aug 2020 8:55 PM by Ibs
Kurbsen wrote:
Thu 27 Aug 2020 8:39 PM
please stop derailing this thread. Lets hear suggestions to better our gameplay.


Uthred wrote:
Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:15 PM
Nephamael wrote:
Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:18 AM
I did read the threat you linked now and seems that the reasoning for not listening to the good suggestions there for permanent solo content on Phoenix is hard feelings against the solo community?

Seriously? We tried so many different things for such a small (numberwise) part of the community and every time we tried something we either got flamed, insulted, harrassed, had tons of extra work (mutes, bans, bug abuse) and players in general were massively abusing what we offered them.

After all this, you still didnt get it and continue to throws flames at the staff and assume that we don't like the solo community? No, we will not put in any more new solo content. Why should we even think about it, when reading posts like yours that contain nothing but flames and insinuations?

You have the whole FZ (including solo areas), DF, PoC, SH and the battlegrounds for solo content 24/7 plus the fairfight command. End of story.



Good luck with the suggestions brah
Fri 28 Aug 2020 3:38 PM by Kurbsen
bump
Sat 29 Aug 2020 4:31 PM by Kurbsen
bump bump bump it up
Sun 30 Aug 2020 11:07 PM by Kurbsen
bump till lock xD
Tue 1 Sep 2020 4:06 PM by Nephamael
I got flamed for wolloping an RR10 SB on my RR5 hero, that I uncovered in bowtown, because "his RAs were down" bowtown is bollocks, sure it's nice that occasionally it happens organically, say a bunch of soloers happen to find themselves all bunched up, watching a fight etc but it's not the answer to soloing.

In fact the same happens all the time if you attack an 8man in 8v8 that is regging somewhere

Playermade rules we had in the different solo zones were, if youre moving around you are rdy to be attacked. Worked for most people and generated more fun engagements than /bow.
( i personally don't mind if anyone attacks at any time and always tried to convince the bowtown people to not zerg down adders but let them be 1v1ed down at least - but i know how tough it can be for a pure melee to get permanently attacked by kite classes )

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Anyway, thanks for keeping the demand up @Itachi - the best solution is to get what we already have to work properly = /fairfight toggle /fairfight list.

Sooner or later everyone's feelings will calm down to normal and our constructive suggestions will be heard and hopefully put into effect.
Tue 1 Sep 2020 4:09 PM by Nephamael
Heres a few ideas about the same topic:

https://forum.playphoenix.online/get-involved/suggestions/25760-solosmall-man-solution-in-nf

https://forum.playphoenix.online/get-involved/ask-the-team/25640-future-solo-content
Tue 1 Sep 2020 4:11 PM by Nephamael
Main problem i see for the future of solo gameplay on Phoenix is the dry-out-effect the solo community has experienced over the last half year. It will take a long time of available enjoyable content to heal in numbers.

Nevertheless it is far away from hopeless. Whenever i give phoenix a try i see a handfull of solos in the frontier trying to find other solos - at all daytimes. We just got to hand them ways to find one another.
Tue 1 Sep 2020 4:40 PM by Sabatasso79
How to enjoy soloing;

1. Don't expect anyone to leave you alone just because you're solo
2. Enjoy the fights you get that falls within the narrow limit of what you conssider fair/fun/worhtwhile (or whatever)

Enoy!
Tue 8 Sep 2020 6:21 AM by Nephamael
Or only play at low pop daytimes, works too for very decent solo content. Very early EU time and 1AM and later NA east.
Tue 8 Sep 2020 1:39 PM by gotwqqd
Sabatasso79 wrote:
Tue 1 Sep 2020 4:40 PM
How to enjoy soloing;

1. Don't expect anyone to leave you alone just because you're solo
2. Enjoy the fights you get that falls within the narrow limit of what you conssider fair/fun/worhtwhile (or whatever)

Enoy!
This
And applies to all play styles
And don’t abandon your realm mates
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