Slam should be 5 seconds - Phoenix Freeshard

Hey,

how about to decrease slam for all except full tanks (warrior, hero, armsman) like live ? i think would be fair. cuz this is 100% stupid like it is at the moment. bms etc just spec shield and switch with macro, there is no need for fulltanks to be honest

Thu 9 Aug 2018 12:48 AM by rubaduck

It's not the worst idea, as it gives more incentive to get tanks in rvr as well as more offensive light tanks on every realm. Also no scout slam of doom in albion infil zerg.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 2:45 AM by Magesty

What about Reavers? Thanes? Paladins? Doing something like this would push a lot of hybrids right down to garbage town. Clumsy change.

If you want to adjust classes it is usually far wiser to buff rather than nerf.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 3:57 AM by Sarerishor

Magesty wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Aug 2018 2:45 AM
What about Reavers? Thanes? Paladins? Doing something like this would push a lot of hybrids right down to garbage town. Clumsy change.

/closethread

Thu 9 Aug 2018 6:31 AM by aso

Magesty wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Aug 2018 2:45 AM
What about Reavers? Thanes? Paladins? Doing something like this would push a lot of hybrids right down to garbage town. Clumsy change.

If you want to adjust classes it is usually far wiser to buff rather than nerf.

What about reavers kill nearly everything in stun?
Was killed yesterday 3times in stun with my skald .

Thu 9 Aug 2018 12:41 PM by Magesty

aso wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Aug 2018 6:31 AM
Magesty wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Aug 2018 2:45 AM
What about Reavers? Thanes? Paladins? Doing something like this would push a lot of hybrids right down to garbage town. Clumsy change.

If you want to adjust classes it is usually far wiser to buff rather than nerf.

What about reavers kill nearly everything in stun?
Was killed yesterday 3times in stun with my skald .

I believe Reaver damage is broken here. Flexible weapons are hitting insanely hard even without the procs. Too hard.

That being said if you think Reavers are the problem nerfing slam still isn’t the answer.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 1:43 PM by Jrazz22

Slam duration should stay at 9 seconds for all classes who spec in it.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 5:38 PM by Bigga

Magesty wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Aug 2018 12:41 PM
aso wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Aug 2018 6:31 AM
Magesty wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Aug 2018 2:45 AM
What about Reavers? Thanes? Paladins? Doing something like this would push a lot of hybrids right down to garbage town. Clumsy change.

If you want to adjust classes it is usually far wiser to buff rather than nerf.

What about reavers kill nearly everything in stun?
Was killed yesterday 3times in stun with my skald .

I believe Reaver damage is broken here. Flexible weapons are hitting insanely hard even without the procs. Too hard.

That being said if you think Reavers are the problem nerfing slam still isn’t the answer.

My suggestion to reduce the slam from 9 seconds to 5 is not only dependent on being destroyed by a class (Reaver). But it is a general problem. Why should I take a full tank, let's be honest, unnecessary. I prefer to have a BM swapping on the shield and slam for 9 sec . It should only be granted to the full tanks to have 9 sec slam

Thu 9 Aug 2018 5:40 PM by relvinian

So reduce slam to 5 seconds? What next? how about reducing the lvl 50 thrust evade to 5 seconds?

What is after that?

Thu 9 Aug 2018 5:49 PM by Magesty

What gives you the impression that I don't understand why you are suggesting the change?

If you want to improve heavy tanks you buff them, not decimate hybrids, most of which are already not that strong at this point. There is a reason Mythic (over) adjusted heavy tanks in patch 1.81.

The slam change was made six years after the heavy thank changes. During that six year period many alterations were made to all of the hybrids to increase their power level across the board and make a nerf to slam somewhat palatable.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 7:19 PM by Niix

I agree that changing slam is not the answer, buffing heavy tank damage or best yet health is a better way to go. Is no reason melee tanks can slam and do more damage than heavy tanks. To be honest tho, I never understood why light tanks got to spec in slam anyway, should have had a new spec line for small shields or something that gave other utility instead of same shield spec line of heavy tanks... that way you could remove the anytime 9sec stub style and make things positional dependent to get valuable stuns.

The point of having both is trade offs and right now you gain very little usable rvr utility box putting a hero instead of bm.

Arms have much more utility in the long easy slows and zerkers don’t get shield so this really seems to only be a Hib problem.

With that said I still think Hero’s have a use in groups, the burst of big two hand on a train is useful.

Thu 9 Aug 2018 11:08 PM by bamf

Make slam 50 shield instead of 42. Will force LTs to not go that route without nerf to melee dmg. Main tanks will still get it and see no big difference to damage.

Or

Make slam 42 for main tanks, 50 for off tanks

Or

Give main tanks bolstering shout (pbaoe cc break)

Fri 10 Aug 2018 1:30 AM by Joc

No it shouldn't. I'm planning on playing a sneak or support and I still disagree. It should stay where it is.

Fri 10 Aug 2018 8:04 AM by Druth

Anytime 9 sec slam is lame.
Such a long stun should be reactionary, or positional (can even make it frontal for all I care).

But changing it would affect balance and, like some mentioned, make some classes even worse than they are now.

Fri 10 Aug 2018 3:39 PM by Bigga

bamf wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Aug 2018 11:08 PM
Make slam 50 shield instead of 42. Will force LTs to not go that route without nerf to melee dmg. Main tanks will still get it and see no big difference to damage.

Or

Make slam 42 for main tanks, 50 for off tanks

Or

Give main tanks bolstering shout (pbaoe cc break)

very nice suggestion !!!!!!

Fri 10 Aug 2018 8:32 PM by Quik

Bigga wrote: ↑
Fri 10 Aug 2018 3:39 PM
bamf wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Aug 2018 11:08 PM
Make slam 50 shield instead of 42. Will force LTs to not go that route without nerf to melee dmg. Main tanks will still get it and see no big difference to damage.

Or

Make slam 42 for main tanks, 50 for off tanks

Or

Give main tanks bolstering shout (pbaoe cc break)

very nice suggestion !!!!!!

That is a VERY good idea. A true shield tank will get it every time, a DPS toon just taking it for stun in RvR not as much.

Sat 11 Aug 2018 3:41 AM by Armsmancer

but leave the 9s baseline caster stun that comes for free

ok

Sat 11 Aug 2018 3:43 AM by Armsmancer

Also no design change should come from "i just did in rvr to x skill nerf it plz" it should come from exhaustive balance testing and raw numbers

not qq