PSA! Please do this. Every soloer will thank you.
Quik wrote: ↑Thu 28 May 2020 4:14 PMPlz leave pots as they are. Lets not seperate the casual from the elitist players even more...
Or better yet, remove all pots and put everyone on equal footing and stop watering down the classes
Riac wrote: ↑Thu 28 May 2020 4:44 PMQuik wrote: ↑Thu 28 May 2020 4:14 PMPlz leave pots as they are. Lets not seperate the casual from the elitist players even more...
Or better yet, remove all pots and put everyone on equal footing and stop watering down the classes
I fail to see how turning these pots into a barrel caters to the elitists. Carrying around a shitload of pots instead of one barrel seems far more tedious for the casual player.
As far as removing all buffs, that seems like an outstanding way to dispose of what remains of the solo and small man scene.
Anymore grade-A ideas? Lol
Quadruple the cost of the combined potsQuik wrote: ↑Thu 28 May 2020 6:58 PMRiac wrote: ↑Thu 28 May 2020 4:44 PMQuik wrote: ↑Thu 28 May 2020 4:14 PMPlz leave pots as they are. Lets not seperate the casual from the elitist players even more...
Or better yet, remove all pots and put everyone on equal footing and stop watering down the classes
I fail to see how turning these pots into a barrel caters to the elitists. Carrying around a shitload of pots instead of one barrel seems far more tedious for the casual player.
As far as removing all buffs, that seems like an outstanding way to dispose of what remains of the solo and small man scene.
Anymore grade-A ideas? Lol
LOL
Every single time something is added, someone wants more. The minute you add the changes to pots as asked for in this thread the same people will be asking for more again tomorrow.
Potions don't last long enough? Ok they double up duration and what happens? People start whining that 20 min isn't long enough.
Potions are too hard to carry around? They start adding barrels and now people want shard skin barrels and as soon as it happens you will want 1 potion that combines all potions for an hour.
Sorry but this is a hard no.
And yes, buff potions are just watering down the classes and ruining what makes some classes special.
You might hate my grade-A ideas, but if you get your way this server will like Uthgard in no time!
inoeth wrote: ↑Fri 29 May 2020 11:04 AMthe funny thing "It's a game and a game is meant to be enjoyed by everyone, not just a select few who want everyone to play their way!" does only apply to himself AGAIN
Sepplord wrote: ↑Fri 29 May 2020 11:13 AMinoeth wrote: ↑Fri 29 May 2020 11:04 AMthe funny thing "It's a game and a game is meant to be enjoyed by everyone, not just a select few who want everyone to play their way!" does only apply to himself AGAIN
It's actually not hypocritical though, unless he is advocating for lots of changes elsewhere.
It seems his stance to be against a change, because in his eyes a change benefits some at the cost of others. Instead of making changes that benefit one playstyle and hurt another, he wants to keep the status quo where everyone can play like they want.
What is up for debate is if the status quo is not already favoring certain playstyles and which changes benefit the unfavorable playstyles and cost the playstyles that have it easy.
Riac wrote: ↑Fri 29 May 2020 2:23 PMHe's straw manning at the least. He claims making shard skins into a barrel somehow caters to the elite (lol). when asked to explain how, he doesn't explain at all and rants about a slippery slope.
I'm pretty warm to the slippery slope idea in a lot of cases ,but this is dumb as hell. Being able to make a barrel of dmg shield is purely qol. The 10 use potion will still exist.
Isn't he a ranger player? I could be wrong, but it would sure as hell explain his dumb stance on buffs lol.
tbh, im not gonna read all this shit. but if you could underline the portion about how making a shardskin barrel caters to the elitist, i wouldnt mind checking that out.Quik wrote: ↑Fri 29 May 2020 4:51 PMRiac wrote: ↑Fri 29 May 2020 2:23 PMHe's straw manning at the least. He claims making shard skins into a barrel somehow caters to the elite (lol). when asked to explain how, he doesn't explain at all and rants about a slippery slope.
I'm pretty warm to the slippery slope idea in a lot of cases ,but this is dumb as hell. Being able to make a barrel of dmg shield is purely qol. The 10 use potion will still exist.
Isn't he a ranger player? I could be wrong, but it would sure as hell explain his dumb stance on buffs lol.
Because the changes NEVER END.
I have no issues with quality of life, but I have argued against everything that dilutes the classes.
Slippery slope means that once you start down a path it starts picking up speed...lets look at that...
People got buff pots and barrels on certain buffs, and immediately they wanted more. We got combined force pots/barrels and AGAIN they complain, this time it isn't long enough. They let you double up the duration and AGAIN people complain it still isn't long enough and on top of that now you want even more buffs put into barrels. That is literally the definition of slippery slope because it is never ending and for every buff they give the players want more and more and more. Every time.
Now look at horses. Some people wanted horses and they finally add them and what is the first thing people do? They complain horses aren't good enough and are already demanding they lift the restrictions they put on horses. So far the dev's have said they don't plan on doing that, but of course they also swore they would never had horses in the first place. This is the start of a slippery slope.
Soloers wanted a place they could go and solo in safety and they finally got the pvp zone. How did that go? Well some classes were mad that other classes were better at soloing and cried that they were too powerful and wanted restrictions on WHAT soloing classes could enter or how long they could stay?!?!
And as for why I don't want buff pots? They dilute the classes. Just let everyone have a freakin buffbot at this point because that is all this is. Remove all pots and let what makes each class special stand out. Yeah, I know it will not happen. I understand soloers love them and help them be much more powerful, but at the expense of what makes some classes special. I know pots won't ever leave, but I am certainly hoping they do not make them even more of a luxury.
Right now if a casual player wants to go out and even REMOTELY compete, they need to spend most, if not all of their plat on a temp, then on top of that they need to manage all the pots and they NEED them or they will get destroyed. The casual can't just be casual and do much unless they join the zerg.
Soloers complain that the zerg runs them over, but how do you think a casual feels when they go out solo and run over by a fully temped NS fully potted and gets every dot/poison/debuff/disease unloaded on them within seconds? The soloers are PART of the reason the zerg exists because casuals aren't interested in going through the needed prereqs just to be even remotely competitive.
I stand by my signature quote because I have always argued we need to do more for the casual player, yet we cater more and more to the elitist. BTW, Elitist is not a bad term, it simply means they micromanage every possible stat to be as powerful as possible, and there is nothing wrong with that, but it completely eliminates the casual of having a chance except the zerg.
My quote means everyone has a place, and soloers act like they have zero game here when in fact I see a lot of soloing all over. I was in EV yesterday on my bard and saw a SB and Infi fighting 1 on 1. The SB had like ZERO health and I could have kited him easily but I didn't. I watched and waved and moved on. This is not a rare occasion, I see it more and more even when in groups. Sometimes we slaughter them and sometimes we don't.
My quote applies more to me and what I would like to see in the game, then it does to half the soloing players because all I hear are bitches and complaints the game doesn't favor them more because the class they play doesn't have speed or str/con self buff or dmg add or whatever. I have no problems with people soloing, but I do not want classes reduced to a single class on each realm which is what it seems like people keep screaming for here.
Who wants to change the game more? Myself who wants each class to have the specialty it was designed to have, or the people who want every class to have access to every buff in the game?
Again, I stand by my quote because I want everyone to be able to play without giving more advantages to 1 group of people screaming the game is skewed against them, when the fact is, the game was designed to be skewed against them. Stealthers were designed to solo because they could hide and pick their fight, but now everyone wants to play every class and they want to be able to avoid groups who happen to have faster speed. They want horses that would allow them to be faster then caster/warden blue speed and only slightly less fast then yellow. The reasoning? Well apparently people don't like that only some classes get speed and others do.
I'm not arguing what classes should or shouldn't have. I am arguing to leave DAOC how it was designed, at least in RvR.
Every day there is another post demanding that classes be buffed or nerfed because they aren't the top of the food chain. The game is SUPPOSED to be balanced around group play, yet all we see are people whining that some soloing classes are better. Of course they are, its the nature of an MMO. I love my SDkald because he has speed, but I love my warrior because he hits hard and is hard to bring down, I understood that when I made both, and I will never whine and complain that my warrior isn't faster because I KNEW HE DIDN'T HAVE SPEED when I made him.
Killaloth wrote: ↑Tue 16 Jun 2020 1:38 PMThanks for the new low lvl multibuff barrels!
Can we have the acuity buff included in the lesser draught of combined regeneration? Any reason why it's missing?
Casters in Thidranki are now penalised unless they roll with a buff class - or they have to use the lvl10 acuity potion that buffs for less :/
Cheers!
gruenesschaf wrote: ↑Tue 16 Jun 2020 9:03 PMKillaloth wrote: ↑Tue 16 Jun 2020 1:38 PMThanks for the new low lvl multibuff barrels!
Can we have the acuity buff included in the lesser draught of combined regeneration? Any reason why it's missing?
Casters in Thidranki are now penalised unless they roll with a buff class - or they have to use the lvl10 acuity potion that buffs for less :/
Cheers!
Acuity will be included in the lesser combined forces draught, will be in after the next reboot, existing draughts will also be updated. However, the value will be the same as the new level 10 potion.
Noashakra wrote: ↑Thu 18 Jun 2020 3:42 PMit's the same for lvl 30 draughts.
The AF is everywhere and it's breaking the solo balance, but it's like this sadly.
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