RVR arenas - Phoenix Freeshard

people always tend to fz for 8v8 or zergs, although some of the community like to solo duel rvr, or small men 3- 5 max.
Often, a duel would end up with an enemy adding to the fight, yes it is part of game design, i can't blame that. But hey it's 2018 why not make arenas to prevent this from happening ?

Suggestion:
arenas: 1 v 1 duel - 3 v 3 small men

What do you think? the big boys 8v8 or zerg fest would still happen in FZ areas so it doesn't really affect end game Rvr population.

Mon 27 Aug 2018 5:17 AM by Niix

Sounds like a different game, I think as the live server develops the community will build respect and relationships and there will be a lot less adding

Maybe that’s too much of a hope

Mon 27 Aug 2018 7:33 AM by ShutenGlooten

I think WOW has this.
go there and try it?

Mon 27 Aug 2018 12:50 PM by Chaskha

There is no such thing as adding. This is a concept enforced by the self elected Elite that tries to change the realm vs realm concept to Group vs Group.
I expect that if I am fighting an ennemy and you come close, you try to kill the ennemy too as we are at war and I shall thank you afterward.

This is the only issue of the 8v8 community. They indeed play often more skillfully than the rest of us and it is normal that they end up being a semi-closed circle but the fact that they stop to fight for the realm and try to enforce their way on 80% of the other players is just insane.

Feel free to ADD anytime, for the realm !

Mon 27 Aug 2018 12:58 PM by Druth

Chaskha wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Aug 2018 12:50 PM
There is no such thing as adding. This is a concept enforced by the self elected Elite that tries to change the realm vs realm concept to Group vs Group.
I expect that if I am fighting an ennemy and you come close, you try to kill the ennemy too as we are at war and I shall thank you afterward.

This is the only issue of the 8v8 community. They indeed play often more skillfully than the rest of us and it is normal that they end up being a semi-closed circle but the fact that they stop to fight for the realm and try to enforce their way on 80% of the other players is just insane.

Feel free to ADD anytime, for the realm !

Adding is a win/win for RvR and server.

It's more fun to not only have to navigate the fight vs. one group, breaking fights in a game with 3 realms goes against the whole spirit of DaoC.

And allowing new groups/pugs some leeway by accepting they add, makes them get a taste of 8man action and how fun it can be.
If they get rps on their runs, they will come back for more. If they get demolished AND get the idea the other groups work against them, they will not come back.

Adding will make casuals run 8mans, and that increases action.

Mon 27 Aug 2018 1:48 PM by aso

its very simple to answer

ppl dont realy like fair fights
most of the ppl do their rps by outnumbering and thats the ppl who dont want anything for smallman solos here

as it seem now it will be a 8v8 server where ppl pull off if someone adds
play 8man or leave, thats the message until now

Mon 27 Aug 2018 3:43 PM by Niix

not adding is for 8v8 elite groups, to be honest when you're running 8v8 setups its a lot more fun to finish an engagement and have a complete fair fight. It is and should be expected that pugs and random groups will add in and groups can determine if they want to fold or turn on the adding group or whatever they want.

If you're a group that adds, be prepared for the groups you're adding into to never respect your 8v8 and when they add into your fights... they going to wipe it clean

I hope a healthy respect develops between all the 8v8 groups on this server as I'm sure it will... anyone that wants their fights to be fair, will give others a fair fight.

Mon 27 Aug 2018 7:21 PM by rubaduck

Oh, how much I hate this request.

I would love this if there were no RP's to gain on it. Why? Because of RP gain on solo kills.

Arena is a pvp killer, it is one of the worst pvp mechanics ever made, and while I do respect RVR guidelines (don't add --the event did not count apparently, don't kill soloers, don't kill smallmann smaller then 5), arena is a toxic hole that should never become a thing in daoc.

Solo has always been a high risk high reward scenario in Daoc, and making a safe platform for it is in my opinion a disaster.

Mon 27 Aug 2018 7:37 PM by Druth

Niix wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Aug 2018 3:43 PM
I hope a healthy respect develops between all the 8v8 groups on this server as I'm sure it will... anyone that wants their fights to be fair, will give others a fair fight.

The only respect, I personally think, there should be between "enemies" is the understanding that we should all try to have fun and let others have fun.

There is no "fair" in DaoC. 80%, prob even more if you also account for zerging soloers/xp'ers, of fights are determined before the first blows even land, either by skill, RR, class, setup, realm etc etc...

When I played Live, on a RR10 valk, I had a hard time finding fair fights that did not include at least 2+, and prob more. I was on a OP class, high RR, and had played the class exclusively for 5 years.
I wish set group, with optimal setup, of high RR would also understand that a fair fight for them is not a random pug, but 2 random pugs adding them, at the very least.
And let them do so, without breaking fight, or get avengeful.

Mon 27 Aug 2018 7:39 PM by Druth

And regarding RvR arenas, I'd be all up for that. But let it give no rps.
I wonder how many of the 8man groups would want to do their perfect fair fights, with no rewards.

Mon 27 Aug 2018 9:14 PM by Woodspryte

I'm completely against this. If someone wants a 1v1 where they don't run the risk of getting an add then there is already /duel. Host a tournament in game and have your arena at the Abbey in Black Mountains like the old days.

Having arenas pulls players out of the frontiers. <Insert comment about people will quit if not having fun, getting adds isnt fun> If people do arenas then a lot will just complain about having to fight the same overpowered toon over and over again.

With voice comm, 8 mans know each other, soloers know each other, if they dont they usually get to know each other. With the size of frontiers it is not hard to set up an area for a run through at the same time for a hit no need for an instanced fight zone.

Druth wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Aug 2018 7:37 PM
There is no "fair" in DaoC. 80%, prob even more if you also account for zerging soloers/xp'ers, of fights are determined before the first blows even land, either by skill, RR, class, setup, realm etc etc...

Truest thing I've seen on here in awhile.

Mon 27 Aug 2018 9:18 PM by Niix

Druth wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Aug 2018 7:37 PM
Niix wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Aug 2018 3:43 PM
I hope a healthy respect develops between all the 8v8 groups on this server as I'm sure it will... anyone that wants their fights to be fair, will give others a fair fight.

The only respect, I personally think, there should be between "enemies" is the understanding that we should all try to have fun and let others have fun.

There is no "fair" in DaoC. 80%, prob even more if you also account for zerging soloers/xp'ers, of fights are determined before the first blows even land, either by skill, RR, class, setup, realm etc etc...

When I played Live, on a RR10 valk, I had a hard time finding fair fights that did not include at least 2+, and prob more. I was on a OP class, high RR, and had played the class exclusively for 5 years.
I wish set group, with optimal setup, of high RR would also understand that a fair fight for them is not a random pug, but 2 random pugs adding them, at the very least.
And let them do so, without breaking fight, or get avengeful.

I agree, breaking up your current fight is fine but breaking up and both of the first fighting teams turning on the adding is a bit ridiculous. Expecting pugs and random groups to not add into your 8v8 scene is 100% outrageous. I used to play 8v8 way back in the day and it always sucked when a good fight was ruined by 1-2 rangers or a fg adding in the back but never did I get mad at them... UNLESS they were a group or team that expected you to not do it to them (hypocrites some of them)....

These elite groups should take it upon themselves as a challenge to position intelligently and be able to disengage and re-engage optimally to win the fight, or die and complain like entitled babies... really their choice.