Move All RvR Boss Mobs to EV. another ruined relic raid.

Started 22 Feb 2020
by Nidd
in Suggestions
Once again some idiot pulls the beastmaster into the lord room of the last keep for the mid str relic. we all wiped due to this (please see photo). we had the lord on 70% hp
how is this in the spirt of the game?

Move these stupid mobs to EV. thank you

Sat 22 Feb 2020 12:41 AM by palidian
Basically is it ok for realm A to pull a mob to interfere with a fight between realm B and C? Or to pull a mob to interfere with a fight at all? With all the aoe realm abilities aggro is assured.
Sat 22 Feb 2020 12:56 AM by Azuell
This is hilarious . Thank you for posting.

And congrats to whoever pulled that off
Sat 22 Feb 2020 1:14 AM by palidian
It is pretty funny, if it as allowed, then its game on.
Sat 22 Feb 2020 2:26 AM by lolhisup
Ya this was sad to see. I am not sure if someone did it with the intent of wiping our raid or it was just someone making a mistake.
Sat 22 Feb 2020 2:37 AM by rocketait
palidian wrote:
Sat 22 Feb 2020 1:14 AM
It is pretty funny, if it as allowed, then its game on.

The only rule I can think it could brake is 9.1 or 9 .2 but I think intent is very important on these rules
9.1Pulling or leading a hostile NPC or creature along behind you and attempting to get it to attack another player who does not desire that engagement.

9.2 Attacking an already attacked creature without the consent of the player who pulled the mob/s first, is strictly forbidden.

So don't go doing it on purpose I guess?
Sat 22 Feb 2020 8:44 AM by Wolfir666
Well actually i think that usually only happens with the Beastmaster, as i didnt see the Hib-Champion kill a Relic-Raid-Zerg once, and i dont even know where the Alb-Lady resides hehe.

Personally i think it just has to do with the usual route, that relic-raids take. And seriously, you know where the Beastmaster is at, just take a larger curve around it or go W/SW over the road or S without going SW too close to the Cliff.
And it's not as if it would happen always, it's usually just when someone in the raid-zerg doesnt think of the BM (or doesnt know it better) and runs too closely along the eastern side of the cliff between Fens/Glen-Tower.
So just take a different route, or stay away from it and dont go too close to it.

Edit:
Just saw you even pulled him on the way *towards* Fens *lol* At first thought you pulled it with the relic already in your pockets.
Well first of all, then it's not even guaranteed, that the relic raid would have worked out without pulling the BM.
And other than that, hell, take a larger curve or crucify the one that pulled it for being so silly to bring him to the Raid, as thats really stupid.
Sat 22 Feb 2020 9:59 AM by Enyore
Maybe make the Lady/Champion/Beastmaster reset if they are pulled too far away from their spawn.

Problem solved - because it is pretty lame that a single idiot with SOS can pull the beastmaster all the way to fens as he doesn't de-aggro.
Sat 22 Feb 2020 10:13 AM by Siouxsie
Pulling Beastmaster is the perfect counter to the cheating animists putting shrooms on oil levels and walls.
Sat 22 Feb 2020 1:12 PM by keen
I don't think this is intended behaviour. They should have a max range at which they disappear.
But for now I think you have to deal with it until mob behaviour is changed.
Sat 22 Feb 2020 3:08 PM by Shamissa
Next time dont be an idiot and pull the BM with your Zerg instead of QQ. Thank you.
Sat 22 Feb 2020 6:10 PM by Enyore
Shamissa wrote:
Sat 22 Feb 2020 3:08 PM
Next time dont be an idiot and pull the BM with your Zerg instead of QQ. Thank you.

Except it isn't always done by an idiot, it happened earlier today by an idiot and that is that..... but it's done intentionally every now and then and that is why it should be fixed.
Sat 22 Feb 2020 7:37 PM by Uthred
The 3 RvR Bosses now return to their spawning location when being kited too far away.
Sun 23 Feb 2020 12:42 AM by mattymc
Uthred wrote:
Sat 22 Feb 2020 7:37 PM
The 3 RvR Bosses now return to their spawning location when being kited too far away.

I understand the reasoning, but the fact that the pop differential is so extreme anymore, especially at specific times, it is good comic relief to see this happen --- it's already stupid that players all dive to one realm, its a GAME that requires competition after all....might as well leave the comic relief before it dies do to the hoppers idiocy.
Sun 23 Feb 2020 9:26 AM by Wolfir666
mattymc wrote:
Sun 23 Feb 2020 12:42 AM
Uthred wrote:
Sat 22 Feb 2020 7:37 PM
The 3 RvR Bosses now return to their spawning location when being kited too far away.

I understand the reasoning, but the fact that the pop differential is so extreme anymore, especially at specific times, it is good comic relief to see this happen --- it's already stupid that players all dive to one realm, its a GAME that requires competition after all....might as well leave the comic relief before it dies do to the hoppers idiocy.

That remark also was having some comic potential in it

On a serious note, i think the change is good, as every mob should lose aggro after a while, so thats just natural.

Apart from that, not everybody hops realms out of the same reason, me for example i prefer to defend rather than to attack. So i like to play the realm that might get attacked more likely for example.
While others prefer to attack rather than defend. So you can't assume every realm-changer to do it out of the same reasoning and all go to the same realm.
Sun 23 Feb 2020 2:58 PM by mattymc
Wolfir666 wrote:
Sun 23 Feb 2020 9:26 AM
mattymc wrote:
Sun 23 Feb 2020 12:42 AM
Uthred wrote:
Sat 22 Feb 2020 7:37 PM
The 3 RvR Bosses now return to their spawning location when being kited too far away.

I understand the reasoning, but the fact that the pop differential is so extreme anymore, especially at specific times, it is good comic relief to see this happen --- it's already stupid that players all dive to one realm, its a GAME that requires competition after all....might as well leave the comic relief before it dies do to the hoppers idiocy.

That remark also was having some comic potential in it

On a serious note, i think the change is good, as every mob should lose aggro after a while, so thats just natural.

Apart from that, not everybody hops realms out of the same reason, me for example i prefer to defend rather than to attack. So i like to play the realm that might get attacked more likely for example.
While others prefer to attack rather than defend. So you can't assume every realm-changer to do it out of the same reasoning and all go to the same realm.

Methinks you do protest too much --- I made 0 accusations as to anyone's motivations -- the numbers are the numbers and they are surprisingly and suddenly one sided at virtually all times of day ---- they aren't new players.....
Sun 23 Feb 2020 9:47 PM by palidian
Shamissa wrote:
Sat 22 Feb 2020 3:08 PM
Next time dont be an idiot and pull the BM with your Zerg instead of QQ. Thank you.

That is not what happened.
Mon 24 Feb 2020 12:48 AM by Wolfir666
mattymc wrote:
Sun 23 Feb 2020 2:58 PM
it's already stupid that players all dive to one realm,

[...]

to the hoppers idiocy.

Methinks you do protest too much --- I made 0 accusations as to anyone's motivations -- the numbers are the numbers and they are surprisingly and suddenly one sided at virtually all times of day ---- they aren't new players.....

/me thinks you made enough accusations still :p
Mon 24 Feb 2020 2:38 AM by mattymc
Wolfir666 wrote:
Mon 24 Feb 2020 12:48 AM
mattymc wrote:
Sun 23 Feb 2020 2:58 PM
it's already stupid that players all dive to one realm,

[...]

to the hoppers idiocy.

Methinks you do protest too much --- I made 0 accusations as to anyone's motivations -- the numbers are the numbers and they are surprisingly and suddenly one sided at virtually all times of day ---- they aren't new players.....

/me thinks you made enough accusations still :p

As with many things -- cant fix your comprehension
Mon 24 Feb 2020 5:03 AM by Highfather17
Azuell wrote:
Sat 22 Feb 2020 12:56 AM
This is hilarious . Thank you for posting.

And congrats to whoever pulled that off
Agreed on both counts.

That guy needs a custom undertitle for defending his realm with style.
Mon 24 Feb 2020 8:24 AM by Sepplord
Highfather17 wrote:
Mon 24 Feb 2020 5:03 AM
Azuell wrote:
Sat 22 Feb 2020 12:56 AM
This is hilarious . Thank you for posting.

And congrats to whoever pulled that off
Agreed on both counts.

That guy needs a custom undertitle for defending his realm with style.

Defenders can't aggro their epic-mob though...So it must have been an attacker
Mon 24 Feb 2020 8:30 AM by Sepplord
mattymc wrote:
Mon 24 Feb 2020 2:38 AM
Wolfir666 wrote:
Mon 24 Feb 2020 12:48 AM
mattymc wrote:
Sun 23 Feb 2020 2:58 PM
it's already stupid that players all dive to one realm,

[...]

to the hoppers idiocy.

Methinks you do protest too much --- I made 0 accusations as to anyone's motivations -- the numbers are the numbers and they are surprisingly and suddenly one sided at virtually all times of day ---- they aren't new players.....

/me thinks you made enough accusations still :p

As with many things -- cant fix your comprehension

So calling every realmhoppers decisionmaking "idiocy" is not an accusation?

And the populationnumbers were surprisingly balanced last weekend EU-Prime with all realms having ~200lvl50s in the frontier, Midgard population being the first one to go down after 22:00 to 150 but then staying constant while albion and hibernia fell hard after around 1:00 to ~50 / ~100 respectively.
Midgard on average is a bit overpopulated, but looking at the warmaps/relicsituation it surely isn't as one sided as you are trying to make it be
Mon 24 Feb 2020 9:50 AM by easytoremember
Sepplord wrote:
Mon 24 Feb 2020 8:24 AM
Highfather17 wrote:
Mon 24 Feb 2020 5:03 AM
Azuell wrote:
Sat 22 Feb 2020 12:56 AM
This is hilarious . Thank you for posting.

And congrats to whoever pulled that off
Agreed on both counts.

That guy needs a custom undertitle for defending his realm with style.

Defenders can't aggro their epic-mob though...So it must have been an attacker
Alb preventing Hib from snatching another relic is defending his realm well
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