Make Critical opener damage similar to MOS from Stealth

Started 26 Jan 2021
by easytoremember
in Suggestions
Treat the damage derived from Critical Strike in a manner similar to Stealth spec

Change the curve on Critical Strike so that each additional [hard] spec point invested towards 50 gives increasingly significant damage to stealth openers.
Critical Strike [comp] spec points function as if Critical Strike is already at comp 50 regardless of spec

The difference in damage gained going from 48->49 would be smaller than 49->50
The curve would get steeper as it approached 50.
It can be thought of as RA cost-effectiveness in reverse where 1,3,6 yields are small and 10,14 are very large

This change would allow high CS users to hit increasingly harder as they approach [hard] 50 CS without bumping openers by someone sitting at [hard] 34 to insane numbers not reflecting the point investment (or lack of). In lieu of CON debuff applying prior to opener damage this can be used to lower the frontload of lesser CS specs while restoring it to the high ones 46-50

This change is especially favorable to 2H Shadowblades


Playing around with comp50 weapon/stealth at RR11 there is never enough points for Infil to achieve 50 CS alongside Dual Shadows or Dragonfang, with the best 41 CS + DS or DR with 30+20 stealth/env/weapon

For RR11 Nightshade 50 CS caps to 35/30 weapon/CD with 30+20 stealth/env
An RR11 Shadowblade is in the same boat as NS
RR11 2H Shadowblade can achieve 50 CS, 44 weapon if he foregoes LA with 0
Tue 26 Jan 2021 5:55 AM by ExcretusMaximus
easytoremember wrote:
Tue 26 Jan 2021 4:05 AM
at RR11 there is never enough points for Infil to achieve 50 CS alongside Dual Shadows or Dragonfang

I have been told repeatedly that no one specs Dragonfang here.
Tue 26 Jan 2021 6:23 AM by gotwqqd
I think assassins already gain plenty from composite stealth and envenom
Tue 26 Jan 2021 8:27 AM by easytoremember
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Tue 26 Jan 2021 5:55 AM
easytoremember wrote:
Tue 26 Jan 2021 4:05 AM
at RR11 there is never enough points for Infil to achieve 50 CS alongside Dual Shadows or Dragonfang

I have been told repeatedly that no one specs Dragonfang here.
I'm just establishing that an Infil's extra spec points coupled with RR will not allow him to have the best of everything simutaneously
Tue 26 Jan 2021 8:28 AM by inoeth
2h sb lol i never understood why somebody would do that
Tue 26 Jan 2021 8:38 AM by CowwoC
inoeth wrote:
Tue 26 Jan 2021 8:28 AM
2h sb lol i never understood why somebody would do that

You never played on live server and oneshot a caster with pa and don't even unstealth while using your big ass 2hander? Fun times, can recommend - but sadly 2h dmg and pa dmg is kinda gimped on phoenix.
Tue 26 Jan 2021 9:46 AM by SlowMo
I do agree, that PA dmg feels kind of low.
Just hit a NS yesterday with a PA for ~300 damage, where 150 were absorbed by abla - comparing to ~ 110-130 dmg with regular styles it actually does not feel rewarding.
( I am 52 comp Crit, Inf)

I am not saying Sins need a buff here, they have plenty tools to compete even with this low crit-style opening. But crit specc isnt a viable option here which is sad.
Fri 29 Jan 2021 11:08 PM by Noashakra
No, CS doesn't need a up. PA damage seems low, but because the poison apply before the hit, it's actually a huge damage combined with it.
Also SB is already slightly the best of the 3 at high rank, but it's kind of balanced.
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