Event extension idea - Phoenix Freeshard

So what about letting the second section of the event aka event extension run without premades? That way a lot of people that actually enjoy playing together would go back to rvr and it would open up more the possibilities for pugs to actually enjoy more the event and get some more xp.
I've tried both running with a pre-made and running with the autogroup, autogroup is doable but when you reach lvl 40+ it starts to become a pain for autogroups since you'll mostly end up in stealthers grps and most premades will go around and try to get grps before they even reach a fight. We've been doing that too with my pre-made just go around the spawning areas and aoe mezzing and killing 1by 1 the spawning grps. Plus if premades jump on an autogroup in the middle of nowhere nothing the autogroup can do without a mezzer/denezzer or heals.
Removing autogroups during the next 3 days would allow more possibilities to people that struggled during the first 3 days to reach lvl 50. Premades had their fun, I had fun running a pre-made but now imo is the time to let people without the possibly to build a pre-made grp have their fun too.

Fri 5 Feb 2021 12:33 PM by poplik

I understand that premades are an issue and something should be done, but you should never punish grouping up and playing with friends in an MMO imo

Fri 5 Feb 2021 2:21 PM by Sagz

poplik wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Feb 2021 12:33 PM
I understand that premades are an issue and something should be done, but you should never punish grouping up and playing with friends in an MMO imo

What is the problem with premades? It is not like only a few people can do it, EVERYONE can form a group and go. Why not just "make" a premade group instead of autogrouping? its really not that hard, there are people LFG in the discord server, region, lfg channel, and people LFM in the same areas. You act as like there is like 30 premade groups killing everyone else who has to autogroup.....

Ill say it again, ran a 3man for the last even (not this one) didn't even have 5 people and had a blast.

Problem 1. Is people do not want to put any effort in starting or forming a group, they just want someone else to do it, and when it doesn't work, complain and ask for free stuff or extra bonuses for their suffering. Solution: Take some initiative, start a group.

Problem 2. People want to make a nightshade or hunter, want to go solo spec, half stealth upon port, or just port with noone else, complain they are not getting good groups and dying a lot. I went full Shadowzerker on my SB and had poisons, was fun as hell. You can respec anytime, so if you have less time or want to be more casual or solo, respec. Hell, even the stealthers dont group other stealthers haha, I only seen like 1 or 2 archer groups, thought I would see more. Solution: Spec for group play, or make a group friendly character if you want to group, otherwise just solo.

Fri 5 Feb 2021 3:12 PM by Taln

Sagz you are talking like people consider the pre-made itself to be the problem, it is not, like you said everyone can build a pre-made problem is not everyone is on the same skill lvl. I ran alot of 8 manning/small manning in my daoc experience and I know how to play every class decently, and like I stated I run both autogroups when friends are not on and pre-made when friends are on, but what about all these people that never learned how to play competitive in a small or 8 man scenario?
There are different skill levels in this game its not easy as you put it '' just make your own pre-made '' they are gonna be a pre-made of decent classes and still suck at it and get rolled by people like me and you who built their pre-made with people of a different skill lvl. That's why my suggestion was to just remove premades the second half of the event, so you give it all to casualty and whatever happens happens.

Fri 5 Feb 2021 3:26 PM by Sagz

Taln wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Feb 2021 3:12 PM
Sagz you are talking like people consider the pre-made itself to be the problem, it is not, like you said everyone can build a pre-made problem is not everyone is on the same skill lvl. I ran alot of 8 manning/small manning in my daoc experience and I know how to play every class decently, and like I stated I run both autogroups when friends are not on and pre-made when friends are on, but what about all these people that never learned how to play competitive in a small or 8 man scenario?
There are different skill levels in this game its not easy as you put it '' just make your own pre-made '' they are gonna be a pre-made of decent classes and still suck at it and get rolled by people like me and you who built their pre-made with people of a different skill lvl. That's why my suggestion was to just remove premades the second half of the event, so you give it all to casualty and whatever happens happens.

But how will this help their situation then? Everyone has to start somewhere and NOONE is that new to the game...its 20 years old for gods sake. If this was a new game that just came out or been out for a short time, ok I can see your point. But if you have not played this game at any length from 2001 - 2015, you are probably not the person playing this game, that might be less than .01% and its because a friend brought them here, and hence premaking a group with them haha. Cycle is complete! haha

Fri 5 Feb 2021 3:40 PM by ExcretusMaximus

Sagz wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Feb 2021 2:21 PM
Why not just "make" a premade group instead of autogrouping?

Because then people might have to wait 10-15 minutes to fill instead of just charging out and AEing everything to suicide. And of course, if they make a group all their own they can't complain about "no-lifer premade groups making it impossible for the casuals to play the game."

Fri 5 Feb 2021 3:51 PM by Taln

Sagz wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Feb 2021 3:26 PM
Taln wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Feb 2021 3:12 PM
Sagz you are talking like people consider the pre-made itself to be the problem, it is not, like you said everyone can build a pre-made problem is not everyone is on the same skill lvl. I ran alot of 8 manning/small manning in my daoc experience and I know how to play every class decently, and like I stated I run both autogroups when friends are not on and pre-made when friends are on, but what about all these people that never learned how to play competitive in a small or 8 man scenario?
There are different skill levels in this game its not easy as you put it '' just make your own pre-made '' they are gonna be a pre-made of decent classes and still suck at it and get rolled by people like me and you who built their pre-made with people of a different skill lvl. That's why my suggestion was to just remove premades the second half of the event, so you give it all to casualty and whatever happens happens.

But how will this help their situation then? Everyone has to start somewhere and NOONE is that new to the game...its 20 years old for gods sake. If this was a new game that just came out or been out for a short time, ok I can see your point. But if you have not played this game at any length from 2001 - 2015, you are probably not the person playing this game, that might be less than .01% and its because a friend brought them here, and hence premaking a group with them haha. Cycle is complete! haha

I understand by this post that you clearly play only with your circle of friends, try playing with random people even with discord, and see how frustrated you get over people that after 20 years haven't learnt to play this game. It's like saying if anyone played basketball for 20 years they could be in the NBA that's just not true. Like I said different people have different skill lvls in this game like any game, no matter how long the game has been out, can't you realize most people are still noobs at this game? There are people asking the craziest questions in the Phoenix discord channel like '' which cabby pet gives endu? ''.

Fri 5 Feb 2021 6:27 PM by Sagz

Taln wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Feb 2021 3:51 PM
Sagz wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Feb 2021 3:26 PM
Taln wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Feb 2021 3:12 PM
Sagz you are talking like people consider the pre-made itself to be the problem, it is not, like you said everyone can build a pre-made problem is not everyone is on the same skill lvl. I ran alot of 8 manning/small manning in my daoc experience and I know how to play every class decently, and like I stated I run both autogroups when friends are not on and pre-made when friends are on, but what about all these people that never learned how to play competitive in a small or 8 man scenario?
There are different skill levels in this game its not easy as you put it '' just make your own pre-made '' they are gonna be a pre-made of decent classes and still suck at it and get rolled by people like me and you who built their pre-made with people of a different skill lvl. That's why my suggestion was to just remove premades the second half of the event, so you give it all to casualty and whatever happens happens.

But how will this help their situation then? Everyone has to start somewhere and NOONE is that new to the game...its 20 years old for gods sake. If this was a new game that just came out or been out for a short time, ok I can see your point. But if you have not played this game at any length from 2001 - 2015, you are probably not the person playing this game, that might be less than .01% and its because a friend brought them here, and hence premaking a group with them haha. Cycle is complete! haha

I understand by this post that you clearly play only with your circle of friends, try playing with random people even with discord, and see how frustrated you get over people that after 20 years haven't learnt to play this game. It's like saying if anyone played basketball for 20 years they could be in the NBA that's just not true. Like I said different people have different skill lvls in this game like any game, no matter how long the game has been out, can't you realize most people are still noobs at this game? There are people asking the craziest questions in the Phoenix discord channel like '' which cabby pet gives endu? ''.

Now hold on here, I have /autogrouped to 40, on an SB that i specced all shadowzerker with poison, had I think from level 10-25 I dont think I EVER had a heals or buffs, but I made the best of it and had fun, its about fun, not seeing how good of a player someone is. it was still faster and more fun than trying to level one from 1-40 and easier.

And your analogy is not in remotely anyway accurate, DAoC is not the NBA haha there are only like 450 plays in the WORLD that are good enough to play in the NBA, how the world you can go that route is beyond me. The closer analogy is you played pick up basketball 20 years ago, yes you still know how to play pick up basketball now, whether you are good or bad that's a talent issue, but you still KNOW HOW TO PLAY.

What you are talking about it TALENT, not knowledge. That cannot be helped, there is ALWAYS someone who is better than someone else. By removing premade groups you are not fixing the issue, its still a talent issue.

the only way to level that is have everyone have the same race/ starting stats/ same weapon/ only auto attack/ no skills or spells/ same armor etc... in which case, what fun is that.

Fri 5 Feb 2021 6:27 PM by Sepplord

Following example is baised as its from a Shaman POV, but last event i did try out PUGs after my premade only had time the first evening

Even when the setup was decent it fell apart pretty fast after a wipe (which is ridiculous considering the chaotic addfest). Once a group with decent classes had a good First Run, then got Instant killed 3times in a row....and then had good Runs again for about 45minutes.
I am convinced that without the good first run, people would have jumped ship when we had the bad luck streak.

As i Said, as a Supportclass i had already a better Setup Vaseline simply by being one of the often Missing classes. But even then getting a good group running required the luck to get a good start. If we had had the badluck at start even a good group would have disbanded fast

People Just jump too fast very often

Fri 5 Feb 2021 8:31 PM by Nephamael

https://forum.playphoenix.online/get-involved/suggestions/28495-small-event-improvement-suggestion

my take on how to make it more enjoyable for autogroups

Fri 5 Feb 2021 9:18 PM by Taln

Sagz you say you went 1 to 40 yeah good job 1 to 40 is doable even in autogroup pretty fast now get the SB to 50 and go thru the hard high lvl instances and let's talk about it

Fri 5 Feb 2021 9:20 PM by Taln

How you can compare 1 to 40 with 40 to 50 is beyond me.

Fri 5 Feb 2021 9:22 PM by Sagz

Taln wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Feb 2021 9:18 PM
Sagz you say you went 1 to 40 yeah good job 1 to 40 is doable even in autogroup pretty fast now get the SB to 50 and go thru the hard high lvl instances and let's talk about it

Not an issue, did with my ranger, just soloed from 40-50, i was talking about the autogroup. I meant after all they are mainly solo toons.

Fri 5 Feb 2021 9:39 PM by Sagz

Taln wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Feb 2021 9:20 PM
How you can compare 1 to 40 with 40 to 50 is beyond me.

This had nothing to do with comparing 40 - 50, I was just comparing an autogroup with no heals/cc/buffs. But with 168 people in the 40-44 and 60+ in the 45-49 last night it is definitely doable, but i will probably solo with that toon, its more fun.

You are reading too much into trying to grasp any any rational for your take premades away in the extension argument, and its flawed... Ohh I forgot DAoC is the NBA, forgot about that beautiful comparison, my bad.

Sat 6 Feb 2021 2:25 AM by Pingyongyang

Sagz and Excretus are the two most annoying posters on this forum by far. If they agree on something you know the other view is probably better.

Separate arena instances for premades and autogroup pugs simple. All problems gone everyone happier and more fun. Both instances are more competitive within that instance.

Sat 6 Feb 2021 4:42 AM by ExcretusMaximus

Pingyongyang wrote: ↑
Sat 6 Feb 2021 2:25 AM
Sagz and Excretus are the two most annoying posters on this forum by far.

Sat 6 Feb 2021 1:28 PM by Taln

Lol sagz I don't get if you are a stupid or you do the stupid, probably both, still saying you did 40 to 50 with a ranger... Omg congratz archers in this thing are the best class to leech, like I said go to 50 with the SB with autogroups.... will probably take you half a day

Anyway stopping to reply here cause you are just a retard

Sun 7 Feb 2021 7:34 PM by Sagz

Taln wrote: ↑
Sat 6 Feb 2021 1:28 PM
Lol sagz I don't get if you are a stupid or you do the stupid, probably both, still saying you did 40 to 50 with a ranger... Omg congratz archers in this thing are the best class to leech, like I said go to 50 with the SB with autogroups.... will probably take you half a day

Anyway stopping to reply here cause you are just a retard

SB is not a grouped toon really, Switch to solo and have fun, you can kill ppl in the town all day. But yea 49-50 was a nightmare though, it was only really roaming groups feeding on level 49's.

I dont even know why you feel the need to defend your idea which I never had an issue with, my question about what is wrong with premades was for the guys who said "I understand that premades are an issue and something should be done", not about your idea, I think you keep getting that mixed up, which is why you go to insult rather than actually take a look at what is being said and to whom.

Sun 7 Feb 2021 7:47 PM by Sagz

Pingyongyang wrote: ↑
Sat 6 Feb 2021 2:25 AM
Sagz and Excretus are the two most annoying posters on this forum by far. If they agree on something you know the other view is probably better.

Separate arena instances for premades and autogroup pugs simple. All problems gone everyone happier and more fun. Both instances are more competitive within that instance.

Well, how would you do this then? Would love to know how you would do this. What about the 3 mans? 2 mans? people who solo? are you telling me the group of 3 stealthers who group together can only go fight the 5 man premade groups?

The devs did a great job with the event, its fun (maybe went a little too long) but then again people donated so which means they wanted it longer, I dont know. If people keep complaining and making more work for the devs, who do this for free mind you, they might not do it again. Think about which you think the majority would rather have, this event as is? or no event at all? Its not about your play style or your fun.

And not agreeing with the 30-40 people out of the 1500 playing who think premades are a serious issue does not necessarily make me annoying, sorry I do not agree with the small amount of people who feel they are entitled to bonuses because they either lack the initiative, time, playing ability, or even the expectations than others.