Ellyll Sage healing - Phoenix Freeshard

Staff plz remove healing from Ellyll Sage, give every Minstrel in 1vs1 invulnerable. Ellyll Sage attack on range and healing on range no chance for tanks anything to
handle vs minstrel + that pet/mob.

Mon 1 Jun 2020 8:51 PM by joshisanonymous

Kill the sage first. They go down pretty quick and I would think a champ can pretty much ignore the minstrel's own damage.

Tue 2 Jun 2020 6:45 AM by Razur Ur

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 8:51 PM
Kill the sage first. They go down pretty quick and I would think a champ can pretty much ignore the minstrel's own damage.

yeah sure try it while the minstrel you peeling as melee :-D, is very hard to reach a ellyll sage and a minstrel doing not less dmg
in melee. a orange ellyll sage dying not so fast!!! Last three fights i got all time the ellyll sage down but i died by minstrel
while of the time or minstrel use sos and running away! no chance to kill the minstrel.

but thx for the advice bro ;-).

Tue 2 Jun 2020 9:43 AM by inoeth

send your pet on the ellyl -> pet cant to shit

my 2 cents from the hunters pov

Tue 2 Jun 2020 9:47 AM by Razur Ur

inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 9:43 AM
send your pet on the ellyl -> pet cant to shit

my 2 cents from the hunters pov

not all melees have a pet XD

Tue 2 Jun 2020 10:02 AM by Valaraukar

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 2:04 PM
Staff plz remove healing from Ellyll Sage, give every Minstrel in 1vs1 invulnerable. Ellyll Sage attack on range and healing on range no chance for tanks anything to
handle vs minstrel + that pet/mob.

If they remove all minstrels (not the pets, the class itself) it will be a better daoc for everyone

Tue 2 Jun 2020 11:33 AM by Razur Ur

Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 10:02 AM
Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 2:04 PM
Staff plz remove healing from Ellyll Sage, give every Minstrel in 1vs1 invulnerable. Ellyll Sage attack on range and healing on range no chance for tanks anything to
handle vs minstrel + that pet/mob.

If they remove all minstrels (not the pets, the class itself) it will be a better daoc for everyone

we dont need remove minstrel! only what we need is good rework of minstrel. let the minstrel only charm yellow mobs and all is fine!

Tue 2 Jun 2020 11:37 AM by Ceen

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 11:33 AM
Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 10:02 AM
Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 2:04 PM
Staff plz remove healing from Ellyll Sage, give every Minstrel in 1vs1 invulnerable. Ellyll Sage attack on range and healing on range no chance for tanks anything to
handle vs minstrel + that pet/mob.

If they remove all minstrels (not the pets, the class itself) it will be a better daoc for everyone

we dont need remove minstrel! only what we need is good rework of minstrel. let the minstrel only charm yellow mobs and all is fine!

Yes and remove debuffs and snare from champ. All will be fine

Tue 2 Jun 2020 11:40 AM by Razur Ur

Ceen wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 11:37 AM
Yes and remove debuffs and snare from champ. All will be fine

this is no problem for us, because champion is anyway most of the time in cc mezz/root in contrast to the minstrel and this despite det9 ;-).

Tue 2 Jun 2020 11:42 AM by Ceen

Ever since WoC (good times

) nerf champ is a 1vs1 class so it would hurt I am pretty sure

Tue 2 Jun 2020 11:47 AM by Razur Ur

Ceen wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 11:42 AM
Ever since WoC (good times ) nerf champ is a 1vs1 class so it would hurt I am pretty sure

only the difference is that a minstrel is always needed in group as opposed to a champion ;-) theoretically you could also remove the champion from the game and you
would probably not even notice it ;-).

and by the way thane, reaver and pala are at least as strong in 1vs1 as the champion ;-).

Tue 2 Jun 2020 12:22 PM by DarkDavion

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 11:47 AM
Ceen wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 11:42 AM
Ever since WoC (good times ) nerf champ is a 1vs1 class so it would hurt I am pretty sure

only the difference is that a minstrel is always needed in group as opposed to a champion ;-) theoretically you could also remove the champion from the game and you
would probably not even notice it ;-).

and by the way thane, reaver and pala are at least as strong in 1vs1 as the champion ;-).

Shhh don't tell it, or ppl can't yell Champ OP when they suck

Tue 2 Jun 2020 1:20 PM by Horus

A pet that can out heal 69 spec bow dmg. Good times....

And it has around 2K hps so no walk in the park to kill...for all those just saying kill the pet.

Tue 2 Jun 2020 1:24 PM by Noashakra

DarkDavion wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 12:22 PM
Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 11:47 AM
Ceen wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 11:42 AM
Ever since WoC (good times ) nerf champ is a 1vs1 class so it would hurt I am pretty sure

only the difference is that a minstrel is always needed in group as opposed to a champion ;-) theoretically you could also remove the champion from the game and you
would probably not even notice it ;-).

and by the way thane, reaver and pala are at least as strong in 1vs1 as the champion ;-).

Shhh don't tell it, or ppl can't yell Champ OP when they suck

In which reality do you both live ? Champion is the best melee class is 1vs1...
The reaver and the thane are both great, but champ is far better than those two classes.

The same could be said from the reaver and thane, they are not part of the meta and you don't see them in 8vs8.
The sage and even the stallion (that double hits at around 450 lol) are problematic, but stop trying to make people think that your class is balanced in 1vs1. It's not. Even if the ministrel is better.

Tue 2 Jun 2020 1:38 PM by Razur Ur

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 1:24 PM
In which reality do you both live ? Champion is the best melee class is 1vs1...
The reaver and the thane are both great, but champ is far better than those two classes.

plz try with champ a duel vs reaver where have purge3 mop5 twf3 and ip3 spect! well played reaver winning always vs a champion because of better defense!
that ra spec need only 6L7! Lastman standing gave rr6 reaver with mop9 and purge3 and he killed so many champs, that was not funny ^_^.

Tue 2 Jun 2020 2:35 PM by Noashakra

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 1:38 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 1:24 PM
In which reality do you both live ? Champion is the best melee class is 1vs1...
The reaver and the thane are both great, but champ is far better than those two classes.

plz try with champ a duel vs reaver where have purge3 mop5 twf3 and ip3 spect! well played reaver winning always vs a champion because of better defense!
that ra spec need only 6L7! Lastman standing gave rr6 reaver with mop9 and purge3 and he killed so many champs, that was not funny ^_^.

What ? Your debuffs make him become a lvl 35... Also, if a reaver Twf you, just go backward without showing your back lol and you take minimal amounts of dmg...
You should also keep TS and use it in some kind of counter...
Also you compare somone that is full solo spec to champs toons that are usually group spec...

The only time it's over, it's when you have no purge for the slam at the start of the fight, but it's the same for most classes.

Tue 2 Jun 2020 2:53 PM by Razur Ur

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 2:35 PM
What ?Your debuffs make him become a lvl 35... Also, if a reaver Twf you, just go backward without showing your back lol and you take minimal amounts of dmg...
You should also keep TS and use it in some kind of counter...
Also you compare somone that is full solo spec to champs toons that are usually group spec...

The only time it's over, it's when you have no purge for the slam at the start of the fight, but it's the same for most classes.

now you're exaggerating a lot and seem to forget what the reaver still has like dmg add, life leech proc, melee debuff aura, af absorb debuff and he have after block style
attack speed debuff 21% but all this doesn't matter because debuffs are so OP that the opponents can sit down directly. honestly without the debuffs a champ doesn't
do anything and there are also reavers who just save purge for the debuffs and then i want to see how you kill a reaver so easy ;-).

Tue 2 Jun 2020 2:56 PM by Noashakra

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 2:53 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 2:35 PM
What ?Your debuffs make him become a lvl 35... Also, if a reaver Twf you, just go backward without showing your back lol and you take minimal amounts of dmg...
You should also keep TS and use it in some kind of counter...
Also you compare somone that is full solo spec to champs toons that are usually group spec...

The only time it's over, it's when you have no purge for the slam at the start of the fight, but it's the same for most classes.

now you're exaggerating a lot and seem to forget what the reaver still has like dmg add, life leech proc, melee debuff aura, af absorb debuff and he have after block style
attack speed debuff 21% but all this doesn't matter because debuffs are so bad that the opponents can sit down directly. honestly without the debuffs a champ doesn't
do anything and there are also reavers who just save themselves for the debuffs and then i want to see how you kill a reaver so easy ;-).

you know there is a template with 39LW 42 shield 50valor that is much better to solo espeically vs other tanks?

Tue 2 Jun 2020 3:04 PM by Razur Ur

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 2:56 PM
you know there is a template with 39LW 42 shield 50valor that is much better to solo espeically vs other tanks?

and you know that i playing champion on this server :-D and talking over my experience with duels? good i roaming solo with det9 ( for hoping to find
a group and i dont like ra spec all the time) but vs the most high rr reaver or thane i musst use all ra´s (ip3, purge3, static1) and hope that i win the duel with
few lucky hits depending on what the opponent has in RA's rdy of course.

Tue 2 Jun 2020 4:47 PM by Bobbahunter

This was an interesting post until it got hijacked by some " My class sucks more than yours " people.

Tue 2 Jun 2020 4:54 PM by Razur Ur

Bobbahunter wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 4:47 PM
This was an interesting post until it got hijacked by some " My class sucks more than yours " people.

:-D

Tue 2 Jun 2020 7:33 PM by Noashakra

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 3:04 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 2:56 PM
you know there is a template with 39LW 42 shield 50valor that is much better to solo espeically vs other tanks?

and you know that i playing champion on this server :-D and talking over my experience with duels? good i roaming solo with det9 ( for hoping to find
a group and i dont like ra spec all the time) but vs the most high rr reaver or thane i musst use all ra´s (ip3, purge3, static1) and hope that i win the duel with
few lucky hits depending on what the opponent has in RA's rdy of course.

ok so you compare your group spec champion vs someone with duel spec. What is the point.

Tue 2 Jun 2020 7:58 PM by joshisanonymous

Horus wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 1:20 PM
A pet that can out heal 69 spec bow dmg. Good times....

And it has around 2K hps so no walk in the park to kill...for all those just saying kill the pet.

Well you have two options, kill the pet or interrupt it so it doesn't heal. The only other option is trying to out damage the pet's healing, which lke you said, isn't likely to happen. I would think as a champ, he should be able to frontload damage well enough to kill the pet. It would be trickier to time his DD and/or switch targets back and forth, but maybe that would be better. Who knows.

And I didn't say "just" kill the pet, as if it's easy to win this fight. Even if you kill the pet, the minstrel will only die if they decide to overcommit to the fight or screw up badly.