Custom Change on Classes Vw+Thane

Thane : gets njords fury + follow up ragnarock 150 proc
Vw: grasping roots aoe root + follow up conflagration 150 proc

these 2 changes would balance the hybrid classes in comparison to the very strong reaver honestly.....there was a reason these changes were made on daoc

and reaver even got nerfed on later patch ...but i think reaver should not be changed

this will cause that those hib/mid chars will be part of rvr grps more often. I mean the custom changes one on friar/pala/wizard proved that. I saw on beta way more often those chars in rvr on smallman and 8v8 then u would usually see.

Wed 2 Jan 2019 9:00 AM by Kaziera

Save your breath kpax, they allready said they dont want to change anything right now. And to be honest, i dont think they can right now with the staff they have. I bet you my chese Sandwich, that they are 100 % busy with relaunch. I agree with you that the mentioned classes need love.

I think when the hype of relaunch died off there will be a better time to suggest more changes. And unlike on the other server, we at least have their ears.

Wed 2 Jan 2019 9:35 AM by

Uthred

Like Kaziera said. We will not make any changes for now as we think all classes are fine. After launch and when people start to RvR we will always have a look on class balance and monitor if there is anything wrong or maybe not working as intended. Dont expect any changes in the near future except bug fixes.

Fri 4 Jan 2019 2:32 PM by Salviati

Uthred wrote: ↑
Wed 2 Jan 2019 9:35 AM
Like Kaziera said. We will not make any changes for now as we think all classes are fine. After launch and when people start to RvR we will always have a look on class balance and monitor if there is anything wrong or maybe not working as intended. Dont expect any changes in the near future except bug fixes.

Classes are not fine right now, whether you believe it or not. It should be one of the top priorities to get classes correct because you're going to have a lot of angry people on your hands if you decide to dabble with things as carelessly as you have been some time later down the road. Look at Uthgard as your ghost of Christmas future. You DO NOT want to be playing catch up and taking such strong, obtuse stances.

Fri 4 Jan 2019 3:11 PM by Gohanssj

lol the staff here are anything but obtuse. Daoc is the sort of game where there will never be true class balance, but more importantly, if your favourite class isn't significantly better than others you will automatically think every other class is overpowered because people are arrogant by nature and think they are far better at everything than they are.

If the devs keep tinkering there will be no consistency, and that is far worse for a server than a char being slightly overpowered for a month or 2 before it gets addressed. This was literally the point of the i50 phase of beta and was monitored through out the entirety of beta.

You can never make everyone happy and nor should you try. As long as most people are begrudgingly satisfied then it's probably well balanced. That said if anyone kills me they are 100% cheating.

Fri 4 Jan 2019 4:01 PM by Jabstar

It's often not the dev's or people involved in the progress of a project, but a small playerbase that are obtuse with strong stances and reflect that upon other people.
Honestly be glad with what you're getting, it's quite alot, and compare the time it took to the time it took for uthgard 2... i mean it doesnt need further clarification right.

Fri 4 Jan 2019 8:38 PM by opossum12

Salviati wrote: ↑
Fri 4 Jan 2019 2:32 PM
Uthred wrote: ↑
Wed 2 Jan 2019 9:35 AM
Like Kaziera said. We will not make any changes for now as we think all classes are fine. After launch and when people start to RvR we will always have a look on class balance and monitor if there is anything wrong or maybe not working as intended. Dont expect any changes in the near future except bug fixes.

Classes are not fine right now, whether you believe it or not. It should be one of the top priorities to get classes correct because you're going to have a lot of angry people on your hands if you decide to dabble with things as carelessly as you have been some time later down the road. Look at Uthgard as your ghost of Christmas future. You DO NOT want to be playing catch up and taking such strong, obtuse stances.

Have you actually played these two classes before making such comments? You sound like the thane and vw are trash, while they both fit a niche and perform very well at it.

Hybrids are usually very strong is solo & smallman and tend to be left to the side in 8 man to the profit of more dedicated classes (light tanks, heavy tanks, casters).

Also, not every class is good against others, some excel at solo (reaver) but lack utility to be good at smallman/groups. VW are beats solo if you can land a side style.

Sat 5 Jan 2019 9:06 AM by Salviati

Gohanssj wrote: ↑
Fri 4 Jan 2019 3:11 PM
lol the staff here are anything but obtuse. Daoc is the sort of game where there will never be true class balance, but more importantly, if your favourite class isn't significantly better than others you will automatically think every other class is overpowered because people are arrogant by nature and think they are far better at everything than they are.

If the devs keep tinkering there will be no consistency, and that is far worse for a server than a char being slightly overpowered for a month or 2 before it gets addressed. This was literally the point of the i50 phase of beta and was monitored through out the entirety of beta.

You can never make everyone happy and nor should you try. As long as most people are begrudgingly satisfied then it's probably well balanced. That said if anyone kills me they are 100% cheating.

Denial will not maintain a population.

Sat 5 Jan 2019 7:25 PM by Kaziera

Salviati wrote: ↑
Sat 5 Jan 2019 9:06 AM
Gohanssj wrote: ↑
Fri 4 Jan 2019 3:11 PM
lol the staff here are anything but obtuse. Daoc is the sort of game where there will never be true class balance, but more importantly, if your favourite class isn't significantly better than others you will automatically think every other class is overpowered because people are arrogant by nature and think they are far better at everything than they are.

If the devs keep tinkering there will be no consistency, and that is far worse for a server than a char being slightly overpowered for a month or 2 before it gets addressed. This was literally the point of the i50 phase of beta and was monitored through out the entirety of beta.

You can never make everyone happy and nor should you try. As long as most people are begrudgingly satisfied then it's probably well balanced. That said if anyone kills me they are 100% cheating.

Denial will not maintain a population.

OH NOOOO A POPULATION THREAT OMFG

QUICK DO AS HE SAIS

Sat 5 Jan 2019 7:29 PM by Salviati

Kaziera wrote: ↑
Sat 5 Jan 2019 7:25 PM
Salviati wrote: ↑
Sat 5 Jan 2019 9:06 AM
Gohanssj wrote: ↑
Fri 4 Jan 2019 3:11 PM
lol the staff here are anything but obtuse. Daoc is the sort of game where there will never be true class balance, but more importantly, if your favourite class isn't significantly better than others you will automatically think every other class is overpowered because people are arrogant by nature and think they are far better at everything than they are.

If the devs keep tinkering there will be no consistency, and that is far worse for a server than a char being slightly overpowered for a month or 2 before it gets addressed. This was literally the point of the i50 phase of beta and was monitored through out the entirety of beta.

You can never make everyone happy and nor should you try. As long as most people are begrudgingly satisfied then it's probably well balanced. That said if anyone kills me they are 100% cheating.

Denial will not maintain a population.

OH NOOOO A POPULATION THREAT OMFG

QUICK DO AS HE SAIS

And so we've come full circle to my original point. Sometimes I wonder why I still give people online the benefit of a doubt as being human and deserving of basic respect. I feel like you guys are fortune cookies reading scripted ribbons someone put inside you. NPCs as they're called these days.

Sat 5 Jan 2019 9:45 PM by Kaziera

Salviati wrote: ↑
Sat 5 Jan 2019 7:29 PM
Kaziera wrote: ↑
Sat 5 Jan 2019 7:25 PM
Salviati wrote: ↑
Sat 5 Jan 2019 9:06 AM
Denial will not maintain a population.

OH NOOOO A POPULATION THREAT OMFG

QUICK DO AS HE SAIS

And so we've come full circle to my original point. Sometimes I wonder why I still give people online the benefit of a doubt as being human and deserving of basic respect. I feel like you guys are fortune cookies reading scripted ribbons someone put inside you. NPCs as they're called these days.

QUICK! MORE TROLLING BEFORE THIS THREAD GETS CLOSED !

Sat 5 Jan 2019 10:37 PM by

Uthred

Too late.