Change miss rate formula - Phoenix Freeshard

The miss rate formula is absolutely brutal if you are a support class, why should we be punished so heavily in terms of being able to simply land a hit? 28% miss rate is absurd when you also have to deal with evades/parry/block. We already do way less damage than dps classes. I suggest a tweak to make it so the miss rate is less punishing, I am not even joking I miss like 4-5 hits every fight on my aug healer, not to mention all the parry/evade/block that I also have to deal with. Support classes have it rough here, we have crappy active ra's that require you to be in a group, no det, etc. I am in the top 10 for kills as a solo support and lemme tell you it's been fun but the amount of times I have missed an attack has probably been in the thousands at this point. If you really want to honor all play styles than start with solo support types!

Another suggestion is to take the group requirement off of the active RA's for the main support types for each realm.

Thu 7 Nov 2019 9:18 PM by Sepplord

supporting all playstyles doesn't mean supporting every single thing people can think of

solo support isn't a playstyle, soloing is the playstyle
doing it as a support class is an extra burden, a challenge that you chose with the mindset that it is something "harder" to make it work than a classical solo char. Complaining then how hard it is seems odd to me
what will be next? every spec must be solo-viable? full-heal bards complaining about not enough utility?

how about unspecced chars...that sounds like a really special playstyle, bet not many have done RvR without using any specpoints.
A new interpretation of "The unskilled Assassin"

Okay enough wordplays, seriously though...i don't think Support-classes have it rough, but i am willing to agree that support-classes have it hard when they solo. Not that i know, but it is what i would expect.

carlwinslow wrote: Another suggestion is to take the group requirement off of the active RA's for the main support types for each realm.

That would have big influence on grouped RvR though, there are reasons why these RAs specifically don't work on the character using them, but only on their groupmates. DI for example would not have counterplay anymore and pre-loading it would have no downsides at all anymore.

Thu 7 Nov 2019 9:27 PM by carlwinslow

I am not talking about DI since that specifically does not heal the user, I am talking more about Barrier of Fortitude which will work on the user but has a group requirement. My point isn't that I think they should buff everyone of my characters, my point is that a 28% miss rate is absurd and it could be tweaked to be less severe. Missing an attack should be capped at like 15% max with no weapon spec and less if you have specced weapon. Like I said before why should a support be punished so severely regarding miss rates, support classes are already one of the least desirable classes because of certain aspects.

They made plenty of other custom changes to benefit certain characters, why is supports being able to land an attack such a big deal? Just because you don't understand niche builds doesn't really give you the right to compare what I am doing to an "Unspecced" character as if its some joke. I have 341 solo kills so comparing what I am doing to an unspecced build is kind of funny. The fact that I was able to do it with such an absurd miss rate speaks highly of what I have been able to achieve I think.

Thu 7 Nov 2019 9:42 PM by kiectred

Stopped caring when you said support classes are one of least desirable. Obvious troll.

Thu 7 Nov 2019 9:46 PM by carlwinslow

Whatever, typical forum haters with no real argument. derp

Thu 7 Nov 2019 9:55 PM by carlwinslow

TIL that they can do a ton of custom buffs on here and everyones cool with it but when a support wants to be able to land a swing they are a troll asking for too much. lawl

Thu 7 Nov 2019 9:57 PM by sabyrtuth

Stay educated, knowledge is power.

Thu 7 Nov 2019 10:13 PM by Mavella

Is 28% miss rate similar to live without any accuracy buffs? Or is this a consequence of the miss chance stuff being baked into weapon spec on this server?

Thu 7 Nov 2019 11:16 PM by

gruenesschaf

An unspecced melee weapon will have the base 18% miss chance regardless of class, if you see a higher miss chance listed it's because your enemy is using some styles with a defensive bonus or you're fighting higher level mobs or your weapon is not enchanted.

Fri 8 Nov 2019 12:25 AM by Freedomcall

Yeah, you are supporter class and you don't benefit from to-hit or defensive bonus from styles. That's why.
But just remember that your miss rate will be at 8% when assassin just spam garrote on you.

Fri 8 Nov 2019 1:56 AM by carlwinslow

Bleh its not worth getting annoyed about, edited my wall of text