Archer Dmg - Phoenix Freeshard

If archers get PD many Rangers and Hunters will go for melee or hybrid spec hence bow dmg is reduced for many archers.

Any idea's on that?

Mon 2 Nov 2020 10:13 AM by Cadebrennus

If they're going to have significantly lower ranged damage than a Caster then yes it's necessary.

Mon 2 Nov 2020 11:28 AM by inoeth

as far as i interpret the announcement, archers do not get PD but values of PD get enhanced for those you can spec it (list casters)

Mon 2 Nov 2020 11:59 AM by Sepplord

as far as i interpret this thread, OP isn't thinking that archers will get PD, he is suggesting to give it to them

Mon 2 Nov 2020 12:13 PM by inoeth

even though i would love to run around with +30% resists on my hunter, i dont see this coming because it was waaay too op on live and got changed for a reason.
we had that on uthgard 1 and especially ranger have been really strong there.... we dont want rangers to be unkillable do we?

Mon 2 Nov 2020 12:44 PM by Lubadia

We don't want archers to deal dmg with bow and we don't want them to be viable in melee...

Mon 2 Nov 2020 12:52 PM by Runental

inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Nov 2020 12:13 PM
even though i would love to run around with +30% resists on my hunter, i dont see this coming because it was waaay too op on live and got changed for a reason.
we had that on uthgard 1 and especially ranger have been really strong there.... we dont want rangers to be unkillable do we?

You never killed Ronia Ino? ;-)

Mon 2 Nov 2020 1:21 PM by Sepplord

Lubadia wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Nov 2020 12:44 PM
We don't want archers to deal dmg with bow and we don't want them to be viable in melee...

PD on archers with no elemental weapons would make them flat out the best melee stealthers

Tue 3 Nov 2020 3:18 AM by nkeplinger1

Lubadia wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Nov 2020 12:44 PM
We don't want archers to deal dmg with bow and we don't want them to be viable in melee...

The realest statement on this forum.

Tue 3 Nov 2020 5:15 AM by oldmanukko

Lubadia wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Nov 2020 12:44 PM
We don't want archers to deal dmg with bow and we don't want them to be viable in melee...

...and i'm sorry to archers that you were so high on the nerf list when 45% of the most disparate gaming population ever agree'd that the minstrel was #1 in the player's top 5 list of most overpowered classes with the last survey taken

Tue 3 Nov 2020 5:43 AM by Sepplord

oldmanukko wrote: ↑
Tue 3 Nov 2020 5:15 AM
Lubadia wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Nov 2020 12:44 PM
We don't want archers to deal dmg with bow and we don't want them to be viable in melee...

...and i'm sorry to archers that you were so high on the nerf list when 45% of the most disparate gaming population ever agree'd that the minstrel is in their top 5 list of most overpowered classes with the last survey taken

you mean that poll that had only strong solo-classes voted as OP, warden as most underpowered class and not a single metacaster as too strong?
Well, not following that poll for nerfs is probably in the top5 decisions ever been made for the server *lol*

Rangers/Hunter also still are viable in melee, their melee never got changed and they were viable before the archery buffs....somehow the archery buffs get reverted and the unchanged melee isn't viable anymore? Not something i would call logical.
(Scouts still ahve the same issues and the OP stop style doesn't fix the class, just makes it annoying with uncounterable CC)

Tue 3 Nov 2020 6:49 AM by oldmanukko

oldmanukko wrote: ↑
Tue 3 Nov 2020 5:15 AM
you mean that poll that had only strong solo-classes voted as OP, warden as most underpowered class and not a single metacaster as too strong?
Well, not following that poll for nerfs is probably in the top5 decisions ever been made for the server *lol*

whether players are primarily solo, zerg, 8v8, etc is irrelevant. based on how 45% of the population's personally preferred play-style, minstrels are over-powered. 45% is 45%.

707 votes for minstrel in their top5 of over powered classes.
406 ppl put solo as #1 preferred play style
272 small-man
394 8v8

even if 100% of the players who prefer playing solo as their #1 choice had voted minstrel as over-powered, that's not enough votes. (again, that's 100% agreement. considering the 406 who put being solo as their #1 preferred play-style are actually out there soloing)

minstrel is considered over-powered well beyond the soloing player-base

Tue 3 Nov 2020 8:22 AM by inoeth

Runental wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Nov 2020 12:52 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Nov 2020 12:13 PM
even though i would love to run around with +30% resists on my hunter, i dont see this coming because it was waaay too op on live and got changed for a reason.
we had that on uthgard 1 and especially ranger have been really strong there.... we dont want rangers to be unkillable do we?

You never killed Ronia Ino? ;-)

on my thane yes with alot of luck but on my hunter no chance

Tue 3 Nov 2020 2:48 PM by watbrif

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 3 Nov 2020 5:43 AM
oldmanukko wrote: ↑
Tue 3 Nov 2020 5:15 AM
Lubadia wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Nov 2020 12:44 PM
We don't want archers to deal dmg with bow and we don't want them to be viable in melee...

...and i'm sorry to archers that you were so high on the nerf list when 45% of the most disparate gaming population ever agree'd that the minstrel is in their top 5 list of most overpowered classes with the last survey taken

Rangers/Hunter also still are viable in melee, their melee never got changed and they were viable before the archery buffs....somehow the archery buffs get reverted and the unchanged melee isn't viable anymore? Not something i would call logical.
(Scouts still ahve the same issues and the OP stop style doesn't fix the class, just makes it annoying with uncounterable CC)

It's highly illogical that an archery class' main spec should be melee based. Melee rangers have always been a thing, but it shouldn't be mainstream. It's also not what most ranger players want to play.

Tue 3 Nov 2020 3:29 PM by Sepplord

watbrif wrote: ↑
Tue 3 Nov 2020 2:48 PM
It's highly illogical that an archery class' main spec should be melee based. Melee rangers have always been a thing, but it shouldn't be mainstream. It's also not what most ranger players want to play.

someone complained that they aren't viable in melee....to which i replied they are

why is becoming so normal to just take stuff out of context and then randomly giving a reply that doesn't consider the conversation going on?

Tue 3 Nov 2020 10:48 PM by watbrif

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 3 Nov 2020 3:29 PM
watbrif wrote: ↑
Tue 3 Nov 2020 2:48 PM
It's highly illogical that an archery class' main spec should be melee based. Melee rangers have always been a thing, but it shouldn't be mainstream. It's also not what most ranger players want to play.

someone complained that they aren't viable in melee....to which i replied they are

why is becoming so normal to just take stuff out of context and then randomly giving a reply that doesn't consider the conversation going on?

Sorry if I misquoted your reply. Yes they might be viable in melee, but "who cares". Most people will want to play a viable archer spec.